Brave 09g rant

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Anonymous wrote:“Agree. If many 09 parents wanted MV involved more, why did almost all of them leave when he would be coaching their team the following year?”

Because they wanted him to be involved immediately last year. Many parents wanted immediate change. 3 of the 09 players left to GF before the Spring season was even over. A remaining friend group then followed soon after well before the following years coaching slate was even announced.
There’s no question that the 09 experience was a mess but dynamics between the mix of players coming together on this team was problematic from early on and didn’t get any better once trapped players were added to the mix in Spring. It should have been handled better early on.
But MVs coaching and relationship with his players/teams is as strong as ever. LO is great and doing well with her teams too this year. Other than the 09s their BRAVE teams are all doing really well for a brand new club. Hopefully the addition of stronger players in the next year will change things around for the 09s too.

They announced the Brave coaching slate before the spring season even started, the week before ECNL tryouts opened. It's still on their IG page. The parents knew the coaching slate before the team fell apart, so this is a bit of revisionist history to fit the narrative.

There appears to be an expectation that an existing BRYC ECNL team augmented by VYS players who had previously chosen not to play ECNL would immediately be competitive. That's not fair expectation to any coach or program. The 10's and the 11's are the only teams with any advantage of both clubs leading and funneling to Brave. Give the coaches some time to build the program.

Yes, and please give NVA and VA Union plenty of time as well, as they are new and we probably should throw VDA in there too, as I’m sure it’s been very challenging to add Herndon into the mix. Can’t forget about FCV! They added Barca 2 yrs ago. And Arlington switched from GA to ECNL 2 yrs ago…probably a big change for them too. So let’s just give them all plenty of time.

VA Union is probably the only example that can be compared to Brave but even they had a very strong base to start from with the McLean program. Brave is basically starting from less than scratch. A Bryc club that was bleeding any decent players from as early as u9 and a VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11 to neighboring clubs. And all the younger age coaches are new to ECNL.

Brave will improve over time. MV is a good coach and VK and LO are learning under him. How much they improve is anyone’s guess but stop pretending that all of these situations are the same.

How did VYS lose serious players to neighboring clubs when the narrative is that they all loved MV and stayed with him?

The youngest age vys kids dont even know who MV is.

“VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11”. Then who was MV coaching at VYS? The non serious players?

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Anonymous wrote:“Agree. If many 09 parents wanted MV involved more, why did almost all of them leave when he would be coaching their team the following year?”

Because they wanted him to be involved immediately last year. Many parents wanted immediate change. 3 of the 09 players left to GF before the Spring season was even over. A remaining friend group then followed soon after well before the following years coaching slate was even announced.
There’s no question that the 09 experience was a mess but dynamics between the mix of players coming together on this team was problematic from early on and didn’t get any better once trapped players were added to the mix in Spring. It should have been handled better early on.
But MVs coaching and relationship with his players/teams is as strong as ever. LO is great and doing well with her teams too this year. Other than the 09s their BRAVE teams are all doing really well for a brand new club. Hopefully the addition of stronger players in the next year will change things around for the 09s too.

They announced the Brave coaching slate before the spring season even started, the week before ECNL tryouts opened. It's still on their IG page. The parents knew the coaching slate before the team fell apart, so this is a bit of revisionist history to fit the narrative.

There appears to be an expectation that an existing BRYC ECNL team augmented by VYS players who had previously chosen not to play ECNL would immediately be competitive. That's not fair expectation to any coach or program. The 10's and the 11's are the only teams with any advantage of both clubs leading and funneling to Brave. Give the coaches some time to build the program.

Yes, and please give NVA and VA Union plenty of time as well, as they are new and we probably should throw VDA in there too, as I’m sure it’s been very challenging to add Herndon into the mix. Can’t forget about FCV! They added Barca 2 yrs ago. And Arlington switched from GA to ECNL 2 yrs ago…probably a big change for them too. So let’s just give them all plenty of time.

VA Union is probably the only example that can be compared to Brave but even they had a very strong base to start from with the McLean program. Brave is basically starting from less than scratch. A Bryc club that was bleeding any decent players from as early as u9 and a VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11 to neighboring clubs. And all the younger age coaches are new to ECNL.

Brave will improve over time. MV is a good coach and VK and LO are learning under him. How much they improve is anyone’s guess but stop pretending that all of these situations are the same.

How did VYS lose serious players to neighboring clubs when the narrative is that they all loved MV and stayed with him?

The youngest age vys kids dont even know who MV is.

“VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11”. Then who was MV coaching at VYS? The non serious players?

The older kids you numbnut.

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Anonymous wrote:“Agree. If many 09 parents wanted MV involved more, why did almost all of them leave when he would be coaching their team the following year?”

Because they wanted him to be involved immediately last year. Many parents wanted immediate change. 3 of the 09 players left to GF before the Spring season was even over. A remaining friend group then followed soon after well before the following years coaching slate was even announced.
There’s no question that the 09 experience was a mess but dynamics between the mix of players coming together on this team was problematic from early on and didn’t get any better once trapped players were added to the mix in Spring. It should have been handled better early on.
But MVs coaching and relationship with his players/teams is as strong as ever. LO is great and doing well with her teams too this year. Other than the 09s their BRAVE teams are all doing really well for a brand new club. Hopefully the addition of stronger players in the next year will change things around for the 09s too.

They announced the Brave coaching slate before the spring season even started, the week before ECNL tryouts opened. It's still on their IG page. The parents knew the coaching slate before the team fell apart, so this is a bit of revisionist history to fit the narrative.

There appears to be an expectation that an existing BRYC ECNL team augmented by VYS players who had previously chosen not to play ECNL would immediately be competitive. That's not fair expectation to any coach or program. The 10's and the 11's are the only teams with any advantage of both clubs leading and funneling to Brave. Give the coaches some time to build the program.

Yes, and please give NVA and VA Union plenty of time as well, as they are new and we probably should throw VDA in there too, as I’m sure it’s been very challenging to add Herndon into the mix. Can’t forget about FCV! They added Barca 2 yrs ago. And Arlington switched from GA to ECNL 2 yrs ago…probably a big change for them too. So let’s just give them all plenty of time.

VA Union is probably the only example that can be compared to Brave but even they had a very strong base to start from with the McLean program. Brave is basically starting from less than scratch. A Bryc club that was bleeding any decent players from as early as u9 and a VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11 to neighboring clubs. And all the younger age coaches are new to ECNL.

Brave will improve over time. MV is a good coach and VK and LO are learning under him. How much they improve is anyone’s guess but stop pretending that all of these situations are the same.

How did VYS lose serious players to neighboring clubs when the narrative is that they all loved MV and stayed with him?

The youngest age vys kids dont even know who MV is.

“VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11”. Then who was MV coaching at VYS? The non serious players?

The older kids you numbnut.

How are there older kids when the serious ones left by u11?

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Anonymous wrote:“Agree. If many 09 parents wanted MV involved more, why did almost all of them leave when he would be coaching their team the following year?”

Because they wanted him to be involved immediately last year. Many parents wanted immediate change. 3 of the 09 players left to GF before the Spring season was even over. A remaining friend group then followed soon after well before the following years coaching slate was even announced.
There’s no question that the 09 experience was a mess but dynamics between the mix of players coming together on this team was problematic from early on and didn’t get any better once trapped players were added to the mix in Spring. It should have been handled better early on.
But MVs coaching and relationship with his players/teams is as strong as ever. LO is great and doing well with her teams too this year. Other than the 09s their BRAVE teams are all doing really well for a brand new club. Hopefully the addition of stronger players in the next year will change things around for the 09s too.

They announced the Brave coaching slate before the spring season even started, the week before ECNL tryouts opened. It's still on their IG page. The parents knew the coaching slate before the team fell apart, so this is a bit of revisionist history to fit the narrative.

There appears to be an expectation that an existing BRYC ECNL team augmented by VYS players who had previously chosen not to play ECNL would immediately be competitive. That's not fair expectation to any coach or program. The 10's and the 11's are the only teams with any advantage of both clubs leading and funneling to Brave. Give the coaches some time to build the program.

Yes, and please give NVA and VA Union plenty of time as well, as they are new and we probably should throw VDA in there too, as I’m sure it’s been very challenging to add Herndon into the mix. Can’t forget about FCV! They added Barca 2 yrs ago. And Arlington switched from GA to ECNL 2 yrs ago…probably a big change for them too. So let’s just give them all plenty of time.

VA Union is probably the only example that can be compared to Brave but even they had a very strong base to start from with the McLean program. Brave is basically starting from less than scratch. A Bryc club that was bleeding any decent players from as early as u9 and a VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11 to neighboring clubs. And all the younger age coaches are new to ECNL.

Brave will improve over time. MV is a good coach and VK and LO are learning under him. How much they improve is anyone’s guess but stop pretending that all of these situations are the same.

How did VYS lose serious players to neighboring clubs when the narrative is that they all loved MV and stayed with him?

The youngest age vys kids dont even know who MV is.

“VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11”. Then who was MV coaching at VYS? The non serious players?

The older kids you numbnut.

How are there older kids when the serious ones left by u11?

Dying on this hill of dumbassery?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Agree. If many 09 parents wanted MV involved more, why did almost all of them leave when he would be coaching their team the following year?”

Because they wanted him to be involved immediately last year. Many parents wanted immediate change. 3 of the 09 players left to GF before the Spring season was even over. A remaining friend group then followed soon after well before the following years coaching slate was even announced.
There’s no question that the 09 experience was a mess but dynamics between the mix of players coming together on this team was problematic from early on and didn’t get any better once trapped players were added to the mix in Spring. It should have been handled better early on.
But MVs coaching and relationship with his players/teams is as strong as ever. LO is great and doing well with her teams too this year. Other than the 09s their BRAVE teams are all doing really well for a brand new club. Hopefully the addition of stronger players in the next year will change things around for the 09s too.

They announced the Brave coaching slate before the spring season even started, the week before ECNL tryouts opened. It's still on their IG page. The parents knew the coaching slate before the team fell apart, so this is a bit of revisionist history to fit the narrative.

There appears to be an expectation that an existing BRYC ECNL team augmented by VYS players who had previously chosen not to play ECNL would immediately be competitive. That's not fair expectation to any coach or program. The 10's and the 11's are the only teams with any advantage of both clubs leading and funneling to Brave. Give the coaches some time to build the program.

Yes, and please give NVA and VA Union plenty of time as well, as they are new and we probably should throw VDA in there too, as I’m sure it’s been very challenging to add Herndon into the mix. Can’t forget about FCV! They added Barca 2 yrs ago. And Arlington switched from GA to ECNL 2 yrs ago…probably a big change for them too. So let’s just give them all plenty of time.

VA Union is probably the only example that can be compared to Brave but even they had a very strong base to start from with the McLean program. Brave is basically starting from less than scratch. A Bryc club that was bleeding any decent players from as early as u9 and a VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11 to neighboring clubs. And all the younger age coaches are new to ECNL.

Brave will improve over time. MV is a good coach and VK and LO are learning under him. How much they improve is anyone’s guess but stop pretending that all of these situations are the same.

The club is controlled by the Mishalows and Dolanskys, same as it ever was.

From the 08’s-11’s, no one even knows those guys and they don’t make any of the decisions there. How many Bryc girls on those teams?

Oh, just wait…sooner or later you all will get to see who runs that club.

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Anonymous wrote:“Agree. If many 09 parents wanted MV involved more, why did almost all of them leave when he would be coaching their team the following year?”

Because they wanted him to be involved immediately last year. Many parents wanted immediate change. 3 of the 09 players left to GF before the Spring season was even over. A remaining friend group then followed soon after well before the following years coaching slate was even announced.
There’s no question that the 09 experience was a mess but dynamics between the mix of players coming together on this team was problematic from early on and didn’t get any better once trapped players were added to the mix in Spring. It should have been handled better early on.
But MVs coaching and relationship with his players/teams is as strong as ever. LO is great and doing well with her teams too this year. Other than the 09s their BRAVE teams are all doing really well for a brand new club. Hopefully the addition of stronger players in the next year will change things around for the 09s too.

They announced the Brave coaching slate before the spring season even started, the week before ECNL tryouts opened. It's still on their IG page. The parents knew the coaching slate before the team fell apart, so this is a bit of revisionist history to fit the narrative.

There appears to be an expectation that an existing BRYC ECNL team augmented by VYS players who had previously chosen not to play ECNL would immediately be competitive. That's not fair expectation to any coach or program. The 10's and the 11's are the only teams with any advantage of both clubs leading and funneling to Brave. Give the coaches some time to build the program.

Yes, and please give NVA and VA Union plenty of time as well, as they are new and we probably should throw VDA in there too, as I’m sure it’s been very challenging to add Herndon into the mix. Can’t forget about FCV! They added Barca 2 yrs ago. And Arlington switched from GA to ECNL 2 yrs ago…probably a big change for them too. So let’s just give them all plenty of time.

VA Union is probably the only example that can be compared to Brave but even they had a very strong base to start from with the McLean program. Brave is basically starting from less than scratch. A Bryc club that was bleeding any decent players from as early as u9 and a VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11 to neighboring clubs. And all the younger age coaches are new to ECNL.

Brave will improve over time. MV is a good coach and VK and LO are learning under him. How much they improve is anyone’s guess but stop pretending that all of these situations are the same.

How did VYS lose serious players to neighboring clubs when the narrative is that they all loved MV and stayed with him?

The youngest age vys kids dont even know who MV is.

“VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11”. Then who was MV coaching at VYS? The non serious players?

The older kids you numbnut.

How are there older kids when the serious ones left by u11?

Dying on this hill of dumbassery?

No. Simple question. If the serious players left by u11, who was MV coaching at VYS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Agree. If many 09 parents wanted MV involved more, why did almost all of them leave when he would be coaching their team the following year?”

Because they wanted him to be involved immediately last year. Many parents wanted immediate change. 3 of the 09 players left to GF before the Spring season was even over. A remaining friend group then followed soon after well before the following years coaching slate was even announced.
There’s no question that the 09 experience was a mess but dynamics between the mix of players coming together on this team was problematic from early on and didn’t get any better once trapped players were added to the mix in Spring. It should have been handled better early on.
But MVs coaching and relationship with his players/teams is as strong as ever. LO is great and doing well with her teams too this year. Other than the 09s their BRAVE teams are all doing really well for a brand new club. Hopefully the addition of stronger players in the next year will change things around for the 09s too.

They announced the Brave coaching slate before the spring season even started, the week before ECNL tryouts opened. It's still on their IG page. The parents knew the coaching slate before the team fell apart, so this is a bit of revisionist history to fit the narrative.

There appears to be an expectation that an existing BRYC ECNL team augmented by VYS players who had previously chosen not to play ECNL would immediately be competitive. That's not fair expectation to any coach or program. The 10's and the 11's are the only teams with any advantage of both clubs leading and funneling to Brave. Give the coaches some time to build the program.

Yes, and please give NVA and VA Union plenty of time as well, as they are new and we probably should throw VDA in there too, as I’m sure it’s been very challenging to add Herndon into the mix. Can’t forget about FCV! They added Barca 2 yrs ago. And Arlington switched from GA to ECNL 2 yrs ago…probably a big change for them too. So let’s just give them all plenty of time.

VA Union is probably the only example that can be compared to Brave but even they had a very strong base to start from with the McLean program. Brave is basically starting from less than scratch. A Bryc club that was bleeding any decent players from as early as u9 and a VYS club that had lost many serious players by u11 to neighboring clubs. And all the younger age coaches are new to ECNL.

Brave will improve over time. MV is a good coach and VK and LO are learning under him. How much they improve is anyone’s guess but stop pretending that all of these situations are the same.

The club is controlled by the Mishalows and Dolanskys, same as it ever was.

From the 08’s-11’s, no one even knows those guys and they don’t make any of the decisions there. How many Bryc girls on those teams?

Oh, just wait…sooner or later you all will get to see who runs that club.

What does this mean? Isn’t MV the DoC?

[Anonymous]

I think I understand it now. When Brave started, the 09s were all VYS players and the club did not take any bryc players. They made LO the coach and the VYS players were unhappy and all left, some during the middle of the season. They were unhappy due to a lack of direction, communication and development. This is surprising because the VYS players knew MV and wanted MV to coach them but left anyways. Now the 09 team is made up of Loudoun, SYC, Arlington, bryc players and they are now unhappy due to a lack of direction, communication and development. Supporters say that MV is legit and that this age group is snake bitten so it’s either the players fault or just bad luck and to give them a year or two to recover. Non supporters say MV is out and it’s a matter of time until the people who really run Brave will step in. A lot of shit going on here

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Last year 09s, first year BRAVE, were primarily made up of a strong VYS team used to winning in ECNL-RL. In ECNL they lost a lot. There is a difference. Trapped 08s displaced starters and generated Ws. Many 09s left next season for easier competition and playing time or those that could to other ECNL teams. This year 09s started over, results not good. 08s doing well no longer trapped can’t help. ECNL competition is hard. Bitter problem parents post, blame staff.

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Anonymous wrote:“Agree. If many 09 parents wanted MV involved more, why did almost all of them leave when he would be coaching their team the following year?”

Because they wanted him to be involved immediately last year. Many parents wanted immediate change. 3 of the 09 players left to GF before the Spring season was even over. A remaining friend group then followed soon after well before the following years coaching slate was even announced.
There’s no question that the 09 experience was a mess but dynamics between the mix of players coming together on this team was problematic from early on and didn’t get any better once trapped players were added to the mix in Spring. It should have been handled better early on.
But MVs coaching and relationship with his players/teams is as strong as ever. LO is great and doing well with her teams too this year. Other than the 09s their BRAVE teams are all doing really well for a brand new club. Hopefully the addition of stronger players in the next year will change things around for the 09s too.

They announced the Brave coaching slate before the spring season even started, the week before ECNL tryouts opened. It's still on their IG page. The parents knew the coaching slate before the team fell apart, so this is a bit of revisionist history to fit the narrative.

There appears to be an expectation that an existing BRYC ECNL team augmented by VYS players who had previously chosen not to play ECNL would immediately be competitive. That's not fair expectation to any coach or program. The 10's and the 11's are the only teams with any advantage of both clubs leading and funneling to Brave. Give the coaches some time to build the program.

Yes, and please give NVA and VA Union plenty of time as well, as they are new and we probably should throw VDA in there too, as I’m sure it’s been very challenging to add Herndon into the mix. Can’t forget about FCV! They added Barca 2 yrs ago. And Arlington switched from GA to ECNL 2 yrs ago…probably a big change for them too. So let’s just give them all plenty of time.

It's not a big secret that BRYC was doing very poorly across the majority of age groups and they were rumored to be getting pushed out of ECNL without a merger. Brave is that result. You're not giving them more time because they're a new club. You're giving them a couple years because they were a poorly run club with poor results at the ECNL level and it takes time to change and a few new age groups to cycle in. It's hard to make significant talent improvements at older ages unless you've got late bloomers who weren't already on an ECNL team show up. Most kids/parents decide they're going to go for ECNL at an earlier age than 14 and once they're in high school, you're talking about a few players, not an entire team. The 09's can improve and will. Hopefully the coaching (MV/LO/whoever) can maximize their development. But it's capped even if a couple are those late bloomers. It's also not likely there are 6-7 starter quality players they're going to magically acquire in the next 2 years, so for better or worse, this is what you're looking at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Agree. If many 09 parents wanted MV involved more, why did almost all of them leave when he would be coaching their team the following year?”

“Because they wanted him to be involved immediately last year. Many parents wanted immediate change. 3 of the 09 players left to GF before the Spring season was even over.”

This is the best BS I’ve ever seen. “Because they wanted him to be involved immediately” If I had to pick one, I bet on issues w MV over players leaving mid season because he wasn’t involved immediately. This is good stuff.

Yes. Why leave mid-season when coach you want involved "immediately" will be coaching soon enough? Unless things were really bad.

[Anonymous]

The # of elite level players in the 09s in this area simply may be limited, too, so while development hopefully will happen and accelerate going forward there may just not be enough talent across the board to make up for the current gap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The # of elite level players in the 09s in this area simply may be limited, too, so while development hopefully will happen and accelerate going forward there may just not be enough talent across the board to make up for the current gap.

This very well may be true but good coaching can help develop current players and perform collectively as a team.

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Anonymous wrote:The # of elite level players in the 09s in this area simply may be limited, too, so while development hopefully will happen and accelerate going forward there may just not be enough talent across the board to make up for the current gap.

This very well may be true but good coaching can help develop current players and perform collectively as a team.

At the end of the day, if the team was winning, nobody would be complaining. Yes, MV lacks communication, yes, last years team was a disaster, both on the parent side and player side. Too many parents thinking they know the best bc they played in college, etc. Yes, players left last year midseason.

Parents on the current team need to get a reality check. If you don't show up to practice because it's too cold out or don't show up to a games because there is a school dance, then you aren't committed to the highest level of club soccer. Simple fact. Stop your complaining and get your kids some private training or at a minimum committed to the team. Then maybe, just maybe, MV can develop, but he's not a wizard.

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Anonymous wrote:The # of elite level players in the 09s in this area simply may be limited, too, so while development hopefully will happen and accelerate going forward there may just not be enough talent across the board to make up for the current gap.

This very well may be true but good coaching can help develop current players and perform collectively as a team.

At the end of the day, if the team was winning, nobody would be complaining. Yes, MV lacks communication, yes, last years team was a disaster, both on the parent side and player side. Too many parents thinking they know the best bc they played in college, etc. Yes, players left last year midseason.

Parents on the current team need to get a reality check. If you don't show up to practice because it's too cold out or don't show up to a games because there is a school dance, then you aren't committed to the highest level of club soccer. Simple fact. Stop your complaining and get your kids some private training or at a minimum committed to the team. Then maybe, just maybe, MV can develop, but he's not a wizard.

MV may be able to help coach, but he doesn't communicate. That is a point conceded even by supporters of the club. I do think that Brave girls are set up to do well at the younger ages, but if there are questions MV will not answer them, and if there are issues with players, parents, team, or culture, MV will not solve them.

No club is deep enough to withstand the loss of a full team at any age group. The Brave 09s are no exception.