Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

Real simple answer.

The world has always hated, killed and blamed the Jews from Egyptian times, Inquisition, 1900’s Europe…..

No matter where they lived, no matter how safe they felt, untimely they were slaughtered.


So being a Jew here in the US, seeing the rise in antisemitism all over the cities, colleges, even congress, I am worried about what the next 20-30 years hold. What will happen with people like Clinton, Biden, etc die off and we have more people like Tlaib, Omar….



The only country that a Jew can feel safe in and always will be welcome in is Israel. Period.

m

If you feel the world is against you which frankly is greatly exaggerated, then the best way forward is to figure out a peaceful strategy. Annihilating innocent women and children is not going to win you any friends. The NY Times said that 70% of the dead in Gaza are children.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

Real simple answer.

The world has always hated, killed and blamed the Jews from Egyptian times, Inquisition, 1900’s Europe…..

No matter where they lived, no matter how safe they felt, untimely they were slaughtered.


So being a Jew here in the US, seeing the rise in antisemitism all over the cities, colleges, even congress, I am worried about what the next 20-30 years hold. What will happen with people like Clinton, Biden, etc die off and we have more people like Tlaib, Omar….



The only country that a Jew can feel safe in and always will be welcome in is Israel. Period.

Sure how many Jews were killed in Israel on Oct 7? Does not seem safe at all. Oh and the same people who let that happen are still in charge. I seriously wonder if Israel is prepared to defend its northern border after the fiasco in Gaza.

I know maybe you can pass laws that make it illegal to talk bad about Israel in the US. No freedom of speech here because that is not valued in Israel. You can arrest and burn down the houses of those you feel break the new laws. No need for a trial, you can just tell who the bad ones are…right?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

Real simple answer.

The world has always hated, killed and blamed the Jews from Egyptian times, Inquisition, 1900’s Europe…..

No matter where they lived, no matter how safe they felt, untimely they were slaughtered.


So being a Jew here in the US, seeing the rise in antisemitism all over the cities, colleges, even congress, I am worried about what the next 20-30 years hold. What will happen with people like Clinton, Biden, etc die off and we have more people like Tlaib, Omar….



The only country that a Jew can feel safe in and always will be welcome in is Israel. Period.

m

If you feel the world is against you which frankly is greatly exaggerated, then the best way forward is to figure out a peaceful strategy. Annihilating innocent women and children is not going to win you any friends. The NY Times said that 70% of the dead in Gaza are children.

+1

Israel and anyone reflexively defending them does not have the moral high ground. Antisemitism is wrong but Israelis bullying Gazans isn’t going to right that.

And seriously good luck with the GOP for those of you claiming to be Jewish and claiming that you’ll definitely vote for the GOP. The internet being what it is, I assume some of you always were Republicans and thus your “I’m never voting for another Democrat again” is meaningless, but for those of you who are really going to cast their lot with the GOP? Seriously. Good luck with that. That is gazelles voting for leopards.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish and went to services tonight. Was talking to a friend who wants to put together a "cheat sheet" on how to vote in the school board election. We were talking about how the one guy is very anti-trans and she basically said - I don't care about anything except Israel right now, I'm putting pro-choice/pro-life to the side, I'm now a one-issue voter about Israel and anti-semitism.

Guessing that feeling will become more and more prevalent the longer things drag on and lots of one-issue voters are going to change their issue.

Christian person here. I support you 100%.

[Anonymous]

22 democrats and 1 republican voted against the house resolution for antisemitism on campuses. This is disgusting.

OP, you have my support. Students should be able to attend college without having their life theatened.

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perhaps folks should focus on the 23 people (vote them out) than trying to tie this to an entire party.

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Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Except when it comes to passing funding?

Are you unhappy with the 12 billion package MAGA will deliver? Does the IRS cut bother you?

Or you could have a clean 12 billion bill and a side of Jew hatred.

Place your bets and votes.

Does the deficit matter or not? Because the IRS cut will lead to a blowup of the deficit.

You don’t actually understand the details? You just rehash what you read?



So do you actually think we are cutting the 12 billion from the IRS?

Its actually IRS budget was increased in 2022 via IRA by 80 billion!!!!!!!!

So if you cut 12 billion from the 80 billion, tou still get an increased IRS budget of 68 billion over what it was in 2022. So yeah, don’t be dramatic.

But here’s the problem. For every dollar you cut for the IRS, the revenue the usg brings in is cut by an ADDITIONAL $6. Over time that makes quite a difference to the deficit, which does need to be addressed.

Cutting IRS funding is not the way to reduce the deficit. Better to cut other subsidies (ag, fossil fuel).

Again,

You are not cutting anything! You are just increasing the budget over 2022 levels by 68 billion instead of 80 billion!!!!

Your “facts” refer to is you cut the budget of the IRS for the base 2022 levels, and you still need to provide source of that claim.

A 68 billion increase will be jus refine. In fact, they have not even hired 1/10 of the additional agents for the IRS at this point as it’s hard to recruit thousands of new employees.

Pp here. I’m going to try one more time.

I actually understand how you arrived at your belief - and I’ll stick with the numbers you’re using. On the surface, it seems correct. If we are spending $68 billion instead of $80 billion, and using that remaining $12 billion for Israel, everything should be funky dory.

But. Here’s the catch. That $12 billion in the Johnson scenario goes out the door (like a Friday night out - the money is gone - except if you are a defense contractor, in which case it’s going into your personal pocket).

In the scenario where the $12 billion goes to the IRS, the agency uses that money, not only to hire more employees, but also to upgrade computer systems, install AI programs that can identify anomalies, and so forth which results in more revenue for the USG (like exercising which leads to better health).

As for the source of my facts, I refer you to the CBO report. https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2023-11/CBO_Estimate_for_the_Israel_Security_Supp_Approp_Act_2024.pdf

Ok,

So you still don’t get it “buddy”. And it seems that you won’t actually understand this either.


The budget of the IRS was about 12 billion in 2021.

https://www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/ARC21_PurpleBook_01_StrengthRights_2.pdf



The IRA added 80 BILLION to their budget. 80 billion!!!!!!!

So now if they give 12 billion of that to Israel, the the IRS budget is still 68 billion more than it was!!!!!!! They are not taking anything away from their original 12 billion budget.

And to provide details, that 80 billion was over 10 years. So basically giving the IRS budge a boost from 12 billion per year to 20 billion. Now take 12 billion from the 80 billion INCREASE, you still get a yearly increase of 6.8 billion per year.



So current IRS budget - 12 Billion

New IRS budget with 12 billion in aid going to Israel - 12 billion (original budget) + 6.8 billion from IRA = 18.8 billion.


So IRS budget goes from 12 to 18.8 billion even with Israel aid. Does not look like a cut to me?

Seems to me the math in your scenario is off.

If the IRS budget is 12 billion, and they are getting 80 billion over 10 years that means 8 billion per year. It DOES NOT mean they get a lump sum of 80 billion that they then can sit on like a dragon hoarding gold.
What it means is their budget becomes 12 billion + 8 billion, which is 20 billion. Now, if you take 12 billion of that and give it to Israel, that means their next year budget went from 12 billion to 8 billion. So it is in fact a cut for the coming year. And before you go on about "Yabut their budget will go up to 20 the following year" there are in fact no such guarantees, particularly as Congress monkeys with the budget every single year.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

Real simple answer.

The world has always hated, killed and blamed the Jews from Egyptian times, Inquisition, 1900’s Europe…..

No matter where they lived, no matter how safe they felt, untimely they were slaughtered.


So being a Jew here in the US, seeing the rise in antisemitism all over the cities, colleges, even congress, I am worried about what the next 20-30 years hold. What will happen with people like Clinton, Biden, etc die off and we have more people like Tlaib, Omar….



The only country that a Jew can feel safe in and always will be welcome in is Israel. Period.

m

If you feel the world is against you which frankly is greatly exaggerated, then the best way forward is to figure out a peaceful strategy. Annihilating innocent women and children is not going to win you any friends. The NY Times said that 70% of the dead in Gaza are children.

+1

Israel and anyone reflexively defending them does not have the moral high ground. Antisemitism is wrong but Israelis bullying Gazans isn’t going to right that.

And seriously good luck with the GOP for those of you claiming to be Jewish and claiming that you’ll definitely vote for the GOP. The internet being what it is, I assume some of you always were Republicans and thus your “I’m never voting for another Democrat again” is meaningless, but for those of you who are really going to cast their lot with the GOP? Seriously. Good luck with that. That is gazelles voting for leopards.

I am so upset by this because when PPs post things like “if you are a Jew it’s on you to figure this out” I don’t quite know what to say. I am not an Israeli citizen. I am not a Middle East expert. I cannot figure this out. I mean why don’t you call on all the Palestinian supporters to figure out how to peacefully get rid of Hamas?

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I’m a Jew with a trans Jewish kid. While I understand the criticism against Netanyahu, I feel like all of the queer people saying free Palestine (like ok…so where are the Jews supposed to go then) should just go live in Arab states and see how long they stay alive.

I can’t vote Republican but I admit I’m hating all the young liberals who have absolutely no understanding of the complexity and longevity of this conflict but speak with perfect authority.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

Real simple answer.

The world has always hated, killed and blamed the Jews from Egyptian times, Inquisition, 1900’s Europe…..

No matter where they lived, no matter how safe they felt, untimely they were slaughtered.


So being a Jew here in the US, seeing the rise in antisemitism all over the cities, colleges, even congress, I am worried about what the next 20-30 years hold. What will happen with people like Clinton, Biden, etc die off and we have more people like Tlaib, Omar….



The only country that a Jew can feel safe in and always will be welcome in is Israel. Period.

m

If you feel the world is against you which frankly is greatly exaggerated, then the best way forward is to figure out a peaceful strategy. Annihilating innocent women and children is not going to win you any friends. The NY Times said that 70% of the dead in Gaza are children.

+1

Israel and anyone reflexively defending them does not have the moral high ground. Antisemitism is wrong but Israelis bullying Gazans isn’t going to right that.

And seriously good luck with the GOP for those of you claiming to be Jewish and claiming that you’ll definitely vote for the GOP. The internet being what it is, I assume some of you always were Republicans and thus your “I’m never voting for another Democrat again” is meaningless, but for those of you who are really going to cast their lot with the GOP? Seriously. Good luck with that. That is gazelles voting for leopards.

I am so upset by this because when PPs post things like “if you are a Jew it’s on you to figure this out” I don’t quite know what to say. I am not an Israeli citizen. I am not a Middle East expert. I cannot figure this out. I mean why don’t you call on all the Palestinian supporters to figure out how to peacefully get rid of Hamas?

None of what you wrote has anything to do with what I wrote. I didn’t say figure it out. I said to those few Jewish people happy to vote for the “Jews Will Not Replace Us” party, for the Moms of Liberty party that is happy to strip Jewish heritage books from schools, the “very fine people on both sides”: good luck. You’re going to need it if the GOP wins, you’re going to need it here in the States where you live, not in Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

Real simple answer.

The world has always hated, killed and blamed the Jews from Egyptian times, Inquisition, 1900’s Europe…..

No matter where they lived, no matter how safe they felt, untimely they were slaughtered.


So being a Jew here in the US, seeing the rise in antisemitism all over the cities, colleges, even congress, I am worried about what the next 20-30 years hold. What will happen with people like Clinton, Biden, etc die off and we have more people like Tlaib, Omar….



The only country that a Jew can feel safe in and always will be welcome in is Israel. Period.

m

If you feel the world is against you which frankly is greatly exaggerated, then the best way forward is to figure out a peaceful strategy. Annihilating innocent women and children is not going to win you any friends. The NY Times said that 70% of the dead in Gaza are children.

Did the NY Times say that, or did the NY Times say that the MInistry of Health in Gaza (aka Hamas) said that?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I was a liberal Democrat about five years ago, maybe less. It was a combination of the party changing and me changing. I think you'll find that just like most Democrats are not AOC, most Republicans aren't Lauren Boebert. In other words, if you occupied a centrist position as a Democrat, you'll find that being a centrist republican isn't that far of a reach.

I can’t separate Republicans from their anti-abortion position.

or their anti-LGBTQIA or their racism against non-white people, or their lack of support for gun sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

Real simple answer.

The world has always hated, killed and blamed the Jews from Egyptian times, Inquisition, 1900’s Europe…..

No matter where they lived, no matter how safe they felt, untimely they were slaughtered.


So being a Jew here in the US, seeing the rise in antisemitism all over the cities, colleges, even congress, I am worried about what the next 20-30 years hold. What will happen with people like Clinton, Biden, etc die off and we have more people like Tlaib, Omar….



The only country that a Jew can feel safe in and always will be welcome in is Israel. Period.

m

If you feel the world is against you which frankly is greatly exaggerated, then the best way forward is to figure out a peaceful strategy. Annihilating innocent women and children is not going to win you any friends. The NY Times said that 70% of the dead in Gaza are children.

+1

Israel and anyone reflexively defending them does not have the moral high ground. Antisemitism is wrong but Israelis bullying Gazans isn’t going to right that.

And seriously good luck with the GOP for those of you claiming to be Jewish and claiming that you’ll definitely vote for the GOP. The internet being what it is, I assume some of you always were Republicans and thus your “I’m never voting for another Democrat again” is meaningless, but for those of you who are really going to cast their lot with the GOP? Seriously. Good luck with that. That is gazelles voting for leopards.

I am so upset by this because when PPs post things like “if you are a Jew it’s on you to figure this out” I don’t quite know what to say. I am not an Israeli citizen. I am not a Middle East expert. I cannot figure this out. I mean why don’t you call on all the Palestinian supporters to figure out how to peacefully get rid of Hamas?

None of what you wrote has anything to do with what I wrote. I didn’t say figure it out. I said to those few Jewish people happy to vote for the “Jews Will Not Replace Us” party, for the Moms of Liberty party that is happy to strip Jewish heritage books from schools, the “very fine people on both sides”: good luck. You’re going to need it if the GOP wins, you’re going to need it here in the States where you live, not in Israel.

We were in US when GOP won the White House, why are you posting these threats? There were no threats to Jewish people when Trump was in power. None of the members of congress threatened jewish back then either.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

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Because we never feel safe anywhere we live, and the idea of Israel existing, gives us a sense of security.