Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans (and message board imposters pretending to be Democrats) walking around in a daze wondering when they're going to be handed elections. OP promised it'd be for "a while". When does that start up exactly? Israel won't even be a story by next year's election.

Just like Afghanistan. But folks will remember that a national abortion ban is on the table if the GOP gets the Senate and Presidency.

Of course the voters will remember the national abortion ban; Republicans keep boasting about it! And despite getting smacked down in Ohio, Ohio GOP is still planning on ignoring voters and banning abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans (and message board imposters pretending to be Democrats) walking around in a daze wondering when they're going to be handed elections. OP promised it'd be for "a while". When does that start up exactly? Israel won't even be a story by next year's election.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Jew with a trans Jewish kid. While I understand the criticism against Netanyahu, I feel like all of the queer people saying free Palestine (like ok…so where are the Jews supposed to go then) should just go live in Arab states and see how long they stay alive.

I can’t vote Republican but I admit I’m hating all the young liberals who have absolutely no understanding of the complexity and longevity of this conflict but speak with perfect authority.

+100. Not Jewish, no trans kids but I agree. There is some impressive but evil propaganda at hand here.

Are you unable to walk and chew gum at the same time? You seem intellectually challenged if you can't make a distinction between queer youths advocating for Israel to stop murdering kids and recognizing that Arab countries/cultures are not LGBTQ friendly.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish and went to services tonight. Was talking to a friend who wants to put together a "cheat sheet" on how to vote in the school board election. We were talking about how the one guy is very anti-trans and she basically said - I don't care about anything except Israel right now, I'm putting pro-choice/pro-life to the side, I'm now a one-issue voter about Israel and anti-semitism.

Guessing that feeling will become more and more prevalent the longer things drag on and lots of one-issue voters are going to change their issue.

I suspect the opposite.

The Israeli military response is obviously completely disproportionate in terms of loss of innocent life.

Republicans are losing big time due to their common sense free radical agenda …

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish and went to services tonight. Was talking to a friend who wants to put together a "cheat sheet" on how to vote in the school board election. We were talking about how the one guy is very anti-trans and she basically said - I don't care about anything except Israel right now, I'm putting pro-choice/pro-life to the side, I'm now a one-issue voter about Israel and anti-semitism.

Guessing that feeling will become more and more prevalent the longer things drag on and lots of one-issue voters are going to change their issue.

Yesterday's election results show that you and your friend, apparently, don't know what you're talking about, do you,?

dp.. I'm sure there are those who feel this way, but they aren't the majority in terms of voters.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Jew with a trans Jewish kid. While I understand the criticism against Netanyahu, I feel like all of the queer people saying free Palestine (like ok…so where are the Jews supposed to go then) should just go live in Arab states and see how long they stay alive.

I can’t vote Republican but I admit I’m hating all the young liberals who have absolutely no understanding of the complexity and longevity of this conflict but speak with perfect authority.

+100. Not Jewish, no trans kids but I agree. There is some impressive but evil propaganda at hand here.

Are you unable to walk and chew gum at the same time? You seem intellectually challenged if you can't make a distinction between queer youths advocating for Israel to stop murdering kids and recognizing that Arab countries/cultures are not LGBTQ friendly.

“Vast majorities of most major religious groups support nondiscrimination protections for LGBTQ people. This includes nearly all Unitarian Universalists (92%), members of other non-Christian religions (88%), religiously unaffiliated Americans (87%), Hispanic Catholics (86%), Jewish Americans (86%), white mainline Protestants (83%), and white Catholics (82%). At least three in four Black Protestants (79%), other Catholics of color (79%), Latter-day Saints (78%), Buddhists (78%), Hindus (76%), and other Protestants of color (75%) support nondiscrimination laws to protect LGBTQ people. In addition, seven in ten Orthodox Christians (70%) and Muslims (70%) support such laws.”
https://www.prri.org/research/findings-from-t...erican-values-atlas/

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I don’t think there are enough people feeling like OP’s friend to swing any election, let alone federal.
They are just very vocal so it seems like they are everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.

The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.

They are protesting Biden you twit

NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.

These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.

The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.

And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.

I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.

Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.

I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.

You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home

The Muslim voters are clustered heavily in a few specific districts that vote blue anyhow. I do not understand how people think this is going to swing Michigan at all. They seem a bit ignorant of MI electoral politics.

According a The New York Times/Siena College poll released today, Biden is trailing Trump by 5 points in Michigan. I doubt Biden is as cavalier about the Muslim and Arab vote as you seem to be.

He seems to be. He wants billions to help Israelis shoot down rockets. I haven’t heard any proposal to shoot down planes bombing Palestinians. If both parties are the same on foreign policy, Rs align a lot better with social policy.

Obviously no American President is going to provide an air defense system for Gaza. But, Biden is now supporting a "pause" which is another way to stop the bombing. Netanyahu told him where he can stick it, but let's see if Biden leaves it at that. I suspect Biden knows that political realities mean he needs to claim down on Netanyahu rather than continue hugging him.

He’s asking BiBi to slow down the massacre. Do you think Dearborn voters are pro-abortion? Pro lgbtq? The only difference was a slightly less miserable foreign policy, but I can’t remember a Republican declaring themselves a Zionist

“The majority of American Muslims (56%) believe that abortion should be legal in all (25%) or most cases (32%), on par with the 55% of Catholics who believe that abortion should be legal in all (17%) or most cases (39%).”
https://www.ispu.org/2022-abortion-data/

+1 Islam doesn’t get down with what they consider promiscuity, but compared to evangelicals and fundies, they’re 1970s Ms. Magazine on the issue of abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I was a liberal Democrat about five years ago, maybe less. It was a combination of the party changing and me changing. I think you'll find that just like most Democrats are not AOC, most Republicans aren't Lauren Boebert. In other words, if you occupied a centrist position as a Democrat, you'll find that being a centrist republican isn't that far of a reach.

I can’t separate Republicans from their anti-abortion position.

There's a lot more to life than abortion. The vast majority of women will never get an abortion. Half the angry abortion protesters you see seem to be women who haven't figured out you need to have sex first to get pregnant. At this point I have simply stopped caring about abortion and never vote on it. But how people or certain parties have responded to something genuinely evil is definitely making me think long and hard.

Access to abortion is directly linked to the economy and prevalence of crime. This is soooo shortsighted.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I was a liberal Democrat about five years ago, maybe less. It was a combination of the party changing and me changing. I think you'll find that just like most Democrats are not AOC, most Republicans aren't Lauren Boebert. In other words, if you occupied a centrist position as a Democrat, you'll find that being a centrist republican isn't that far of a reach.

I can’t separate Republicans from their anti-abortion position.

There's a lot more to life than abortion. The vast majority of women will never get an abortion. Half the angry abortion protesters you see seem to be women who haven't figured out you need to have sex first to get pregnant. At this point I have simply stopped caring about abortion and never vote on it. But how people or certain parties have responded to something genuinely evil is definitely making me think long and hard.

Access to abortion is directly linked to the economy and prevalence of crime. This is soooo shortsighted.

It’s also an issue of the most basic form of freedom, the freedom to determine what happens to and in your body. I can’t believe so many people want to wave it away like it’s “just abortion.” So incredibly misogynistic (and shortsighted, as you point out).