Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while

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Anonymous wrote:Biden choose Blinken, who will cost Democrats the election.

Democrats will cut the pro Israeli supporters. Israeli supporting voters are not increasing in the US. Black and Brown people are, and they would prefer to keep the money in the US.

You should listen to the local media for brown and black people. They are not afraid to speak out.

Huh? Biden is very pro Israel. Ds will cut *Hamas* supporters/apologists.

No way. The Dem Party has been becoming less and less pro-Israel over decades.

[Anonymous]

I really do hope the Zionists all go to the R party. They belong there with all the other racists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biden choose Blinken, who will cost Democrats the election.

Democrats will cut the pro Israeli supporters. Israeli supporting voters are not increasing in the US. Black and Brown people are, and they would prefer to keep the money in the US.

You should listen to the local media for brown and black people. They are not afraid to speak out.

Huh? Biden is very pro Israel. Ds will cut *Hamas* supporters/apologists.

No way. The Dem Party has been becoming less and less pro-Israel over decades.

So you're saying that the pro-Palestinian protesters are going to be backing the Democratic party quite strongly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden choose Blinken, who will cost Democrats the election.

Democrats will cut the pro Israeli supporters. Israeli supporting voters are not increasing in the US. Black and Brown people are, and they would prefer to keep the money in the US.

You should listen to the local media for brown and black people. They are not afraid to speak out.

Huh? Biden is very pro Israel. Ds will cut *Hamas* supporters/apologists.

No way. The Dem Party has been becoming less and less pro-Israel over decades.

And yet, the Israeli's and Jewish Communiies in the US have been uniformly praising the tight wire job that this administration has been managing.

Ask ANY Israeli on the street...they LOVE Biden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The democrats have turned their back on us.

Let’s not sugar coat it. See it plainly.

Ok. So go ahead and vote for republicans. You can win more support for Israel and support gun rights at the same time. Maybe every state can allow concealed carry weapons. Win-win for you? Less safety in your own neighborhood but we have to put Israel first right?

[Anonymous]

I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

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Personally I'm tired of Israel regarding the US as little other than a piggy bank and a defense racket. I'm also tired of the so-called "pro-Israel" types who demand we display a level of fealty to the Israeli government that we don't display to any country on earth, including the United States.

Democrats have voted to give Israel billions in aid over the years, Obama agreed to fund the Iron Dome, etc. and all we get in return is hostility both from pro-Israel Americans as well as the Israeli government, who clearly holds the Democratic Party and its supporters in contempt.

Why even bother with the aid. Israel is a wealthy country - why can't they fund their own security bill?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought this thread was about how Biden has lost support of Muslim Americans and that will impact Michigan’s electoral votes. But Wow! So, now American Jews will vote R bc more Democrats are calling for a ceasefire?

Did you see this Bill that calls for expulsion of Palestinians living in the U.S.: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4292692-gop-rep-zinke-proposes-bill-to-ban-palestinians-from-entering-us/amp/

Yep. Introduced by a R. I guess he’s won him a lot of support with that move.

So sad.

Yes, I noticed there was radio silence on this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand American Jews. Why are you so obsessed with Israel when you don’t even live there? I get supporting it but so many Jews act like their primary allegiance is to Israel and not to the US. I get that this what you were always taught but wake up already. Israel is no utopia and you know it

Real simple answer.

The world has always hated, killed and blamed the Jews from Egyptian times, Inquisition, 1900’s Europe…..

No matter where they lived, no matter how safe they felt, untimely they were slaughtered.


So being a Jew here in the US, seeing the rise in antisemitism all over the cities, colleges, even congress, I am worried about what the next 20-30 years hold. What will happen with people like Clinton, Biden, etc die off and we have more people like Tlaib, Omar….



The only country that a Jew can feel safe in and always will be welcome in is Israel. Period.

[Anonymous]

I think people are really overestimating how much people care about Israel. Most Americans are far more concerned about the economy, health care, education, crime, retirement etc. They saw the atrocities committed by Hamas on 10/7. Thousands of casualties. Torture. Kidnapped babies. I can guarantee you most Americans are absolutely fine with giving Israel a green light to eradicate Hamas. The people here braying about Democrats losing votes are the same people that voted for Nader and the Green Party. If you think Republicans offer a home for progressives, go for it. Republicans are even more supportive of Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Except when it comes to passing funding?

Are you unhappy with the 12 billion package MAGA will deliver? Does the IRS cut bother you?

Or you could have a clean 12 billion bill and a side of Jew hatred.

Place your bets and votes.

Does the deficit matter or not? Because the IRS cut will lead to a blowup of the deficit.

You don’t actually understand the details? You just rehash what you read?



So do you actually think we are cutting the 12 billion from the IRS?

Its actually IRS budget was increased in 2022 via IRA by 80 billion!!!!!!!!

So if you cut 12 billion from the 80 billion, tou still get an increased IRS budget of 68 billion over what it was in 2022. So yeah, don’t be dramatic.

But here’s the problem. For every dollar you cut for the IRS, the revenue the usg brings in is cut by an ADDITIONAL $6. Over time that makes quite a difference to the deficit, which does need to be addressed.

Cutting IRS funding is not the way to reduce the deficit. Better to cut other subsidies (ag, fossil fuel).

Again,

You are not cutting anything! You are just increasing the budget over 2022 levels by 68 billion instead of 80 billion!!!!

Your “facts” refer to is you cut the budget of the IRS for the base 2022 levels, and you still need to provide source of that claim.

A 68 billion increase will be jus refine. In fact, they have not even hired 1/10 of the additional agents for the IRS at this point as it’s hard to recruit thousands of new employees.

Pp here. I’m going to try one more time.

I actually understand how you arrived at your belief - and I’ll stick with the numbers you’re using. On the surface, it seems correct. If we are spending $68 billion instead of $80 billion, and using that remaining $12 billion for Israel, everything should be funky dory.

But. Here’s the catch. That $12 billion in the Johnson scenario goes out the door (like a Friday night out - the money is gone - except if you are a defense contractor, in which case it’s going into your personal pocket).

In the scenario where the $12 billion goes to the IRS, the agency uses that money, not only to hire more employees, but also to upgrade computer systems, install AI programs that can identify anomalies, and so forth which results in more revenue for the USG (like exercising which leads to better health).

As for the source of my facts, I refer you to the CBO report. https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2023-11/CBO_Estimate_for_the_Israel_Security_Supp_Approp_Act_2024.pdf

Ok,

So you still don’t get it “buddy”. And it seems that you won’t actually understand this either.


The budget of the IRS was about 12 billion in 2021.

https://www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/ARC21_PurpleBook_01_StrengthRights_2.pdf



The IRA added 80 BILLION to their budget. 80 billion!!!!!!!

So now if they give 12 billion of that to Israel, the the IRS budget is still 68 billion more than it was!!!!!!! They are not taking anything away from their original 12 billion budget.

And to provide details, that 80 billion was over 10 years. So basically giving the IRS budge a boost from 12 billion per year to 20 billion. Now take 12 billion from the 80 billion INCREASE, you still get a yearly increase of 6.8 billion per year.



So current IRS budget - 12 Billion

New IRS budget with 12 billion in aid going to Israel - 12 billion (original budget) + 6.8 billion from IRA = 18.8 billion.


So IRS budget goes from 12 to 18.8 billion even with Israel aid. Does not look like a cut to me?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Except when it comes to passing funding?

Are you unhappy with the 12 billion package MAGA will deliver? Does the IRS cut bother you?

Or you could have a clean 12 billion bill and a side of Jew hatred.

Place your bets and votes.

Does the deficit matter or not? Because the IRS cut will lead to a blowup of the deficit.

You don’t actually understand the details? You just rehash what you read?



So do you actually think we are cutting the 12 billion from the IRS?

Its actually IRS budget was increased in 2022 via IRA by 80 billion!!!!!!!!

So if you cut 12 billion from the 80 billion, tou still get an increased IRS budget of 68 billion over what it was in 2022. So yeah, don’t be dramatic.

But here’s the problem. For every dollar you cut for the IRS, the revenue the usg brings in is cut by an ADDITIONAL $6. Over time that makes quite a difference to the deficit, which does need to be addressed.

Cutting IRS funding is not the way to reduce the deficit. Better to cut other subsidies (ag, fossil fuel).

Again,

You are not cutting anything! You are just increasing the budget over 2022 levels by 68 billion instead of 80 billion!!!!

Your “facts” refer to is you cut the budget of the IRS for the base 2022 levels, and you still need to provide source of that claim.

A 68 billion increase will be jus refine. In fact, they have not even hired 1/10 of the additional agents for the IRS at this point as it’s hard to recruit thousands of new employees.

Pp here. I’m going to try one more time.

I actually understand how you arrived at your belief - and I’ll stick with the numbers you’re using. On the surface, it seems correct. If we are spending $68 billion instead of $80 billion, and using that remaining $12 billion for Israel, everything should be funky dory.

But. Here’s the catch. That $12 billion in the Johnson scenario goes out the door (like a Friday night out - the money is gone - except if you are a defense contractor, in which case it’s going into your personal pocket).

In the scenario where the $12 billion goes to the IRS, the agency uses that money, not only to hire more employees, but also to upgrade computer systems, install AI programs that can identify anomalies, and so forth which results in more revenue for the USG (like exercising which leads to better health).

As for the source of my facts, I refer you to the CBO report. https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2023-11/CBO_Estimate_for_the_Israel_Security_Supp_Approp_Act_2024.pdf

Ok,

So you still don’t get it “buddy”. And it seems that you won’t actually understand this either.


The budget of the IRS was about 12 billion in 2021.

https://www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/ARC21_PurpleBook_01_StrengthRights_2.pdf



The IRA added 80 BILLION to their budget. 80 billion!!!!!!!

So now if they give 12 billion of that to Israel, the the IRS budget is still 68 billion more than it was!!!!!!! They are not taking anything away from their original 12 billion budget.

And to provide details, that 80 billion was over 10 years. So basically giving the IRS budge a boost from 12 billion per year to 20 billion. Now take 12 billion from the 80 billion INCREASE, you still get a yearly increase of 6.8 billion per year.



So current IRS budget - 12 Billion

New IRS budget with 12 billion in aid going to Israel - 12 billion (original budget) + 6.8 billion from IRA = 18.8 billion.


So IRS budget goes from 12 to 18.8 billion even with Israel aid. Does not look like a cut to me?

We shouldn't be reallocating any of our domestic domestic spending whatsoever to give another country a handout. If it's so important that Israel receives this on top of hte billions in aid we are already paying then take it out of the DOD budget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really do hope the Zionists all go to the R party. They belong there with all the other racists.

Yes!

[Anonymous]

Dems will lose. Blinken and Biden will take their millions and reminisce about the good ole days of the party.

America will finally get a third party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dems will lose. Blinken and Biden will take their millions and reminisce about the good ole days of the party.

America will finally get a third party.

A third part that's a crossover between Zionists and the Jews will not replace us crowd?