Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.

The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.

They are protesting Biden you twit

NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.

These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.

The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.

And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.

I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.

Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.

I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.

You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home

And you're forgetting that PA and AZ have enough Jewish voters to swing the election.

As for Dearborn, I don't understand the complaints. Biden has done more for Palestinians than any president since Bush the First. And as for the Jewish complainers, none of his criticisms of Israel have been remotely controversial.

Biden's done a great job on this so far. The Israelis and Palestinians aren't cooperating but that's par for the course. At least he seems to understand the complex interconnected nature of this cluster.

He seems to understand the complex nature? Yes killing 4000 children in the name of finding one Hamas terrorist is so complex LOL. Biden is done. People are calling him Genocide Joe and rightly so! The Arabs and the African Americans are not going to show up for him and almost all Zionists vote Republican now.

He's called out the settlers, asked for a cease fire, declared support for a Palestinian state, stopped the Smotrich plan to take Palestinian funds, tried to set up a green zone, gotten humanitarian supplies in, forcefully ruled out the ethnic cleansing plan, avoided war with iran, avoided war in lebanon, etc etc

He called them out? Ok then. I’m assuming he’s taking steps to stop Americans from funding them? Not vetoing UN resolutions related to them? Or is he just talking with no intention of taking action

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.

The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.

They are protesting Biden you twit

NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.

These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.

The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.

And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.

Jesus Christ - Biden is a moderate who is taking a strong stand FOR Israel, repudiating the extreme leftists who are calling for him to let Hamas slaughter as many Jews as they want because of social justice or something. If anyone looks at that situation and sees this as Democrats being insufficiently pro-Israel, I don't know what to tell you. Those were people who were looking to leave Biden anyway, is what that means.

Yes. Congratulations. You have discovered what a moderate voter in a swing state is.

Of course this is about the swing state people who dislike both Trump and Biden and are looking for a reason to distance themselves from one or the other. That is precisely the group of voters we are discussing.

No. There is no true moderate who is looking at Biden's Israel policies and deciding that this time they're just going to have to give it to Trump. You're absolutely nuts if you think that is happening.

Lots of us moderates are real sick and tired of the far left. And luckily Biden is not part of that end of our party!

Of course moderates aren’t giving their vote to Trump because of Biden’s policies in Israel, and that’s not remotely what I said. What I was specifically was that the imagery from these protests lessens the ability of Democrats to use J6 as a campaign issue, and that specifically is an issue with moderate voters who are on the fence.

J6 was and still is a powerful campaign issue against Trump with moderate voters. But if Republicans can successfully tar Democrats as supporting their own version of vandalizing beloved and important symbols, of attempting to breach White House walls, with a foreign flag, that is going to hurt Democrats with moderate voters by somewhat neutralizing J6 as a campaign issue.

In other words this is less about Israel and Palestinians and more about pictures and videos of far leftists attacking the White House in a way that doesn’t look all that different from the pictures and video we all saw on J6.

Again. No. J6 was at Trump's behest - he called on his idiot, deranged supporters to literally overthrow an election that he lost. And now he's spent hwoever the eff many years since crying, suing, shouting, and carrying on about this gd election that he lost.

Yesterday's protest was AGAINST BIDEN. He did not call on these stupid eff leftists to throw their idiot hats in with the terrorists. He is in fact doing exactly what they do NOT want him to do. How in the WORLD does this harm Democrats, when these stupid protesters are against Democrats? Or you think that moderates see these protesters and think that even though they are out there shouting about "genocide Joe" and Biden is actually doing a good job with Israel, actually the protesters still redound to the Democrats? Who don't want them out there protesting? Quite unlike the J6 attack on the Capitol?

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.

The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.

They are protesting Biden you twit

NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.

These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.

The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.

And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.

I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.

Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.

I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.

You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home

And you're forgetting that PA and AZ have enough Jewish voters to swing the election.

As for Dearborn, I don't understand the complaints. Biden has done more for Palestinians than any president since Bush the First. And as for the Jewish complainers, none of his criticisms of Israel have been remotely controversial.

Biden's done a great job on this so far. The Israelis and Palestinians aren't cooperating but that's par for the course. At least he seems to understand the complex interconnected nature of this cluster.

He seems to understand the complex nature? Yes killing 4000 children in the name of finding one Hamas terrorist is so complex LOL. Biden is done. People are calling him Genocide Joe and rightly so! The Arabs and the African Americans are not going to show up for him and almost all Zionists vote Republican now.

He's called out the settlers, asked for a cease fire, declared support for a Palestinian state, stopped the Smotrich plan to take Palestinian funds, tried to set up a green zone, gotten humanitarian supplies in, forcefully ruled out the ethnic cleansing plan, avoided war with iran, avoided war in lebanon, etc etc

He called them out? Ok then. I’m assuming he’s taking steps to stop Americans from funding them? Not vetoing UN resolutions related to them? Or is he just talking with no intention of taking action

I take it that you would prefer he do none of those things like every previous president besides Bush1 and Eisenhower. Personally, I'm very glad that we have a President and SecState that are good at foreign policy.

Both sides have very dirty hands. You are just demanding that we do the same thing we've always done but for the other side this time.

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.

The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.

They are protesting Biden you twit

NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.

These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.

The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.

And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.

I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.

Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.

I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.

You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home

And you're forgetting that PA and AZ have enough Jewish voters to swing the election.

As for Dearborn, I don't understand the complaints. Biden has done more for Palestinians than any president since Bush the First. And as for the Jewish complainers, none of his criticisms of Israel have been remotely controversial.

Biden's done a great job on this so far. The Israelis and Palestinians aren't cooperating but that's par for the course. At least he seems to understand the complex interconnected nature of this cluster.

He seems to understand the complex nature? Yes killing 4000 children in the name of finding one Hamas terrorist is so complex LOL. Biden is done. People are calling him Genocide Joe and rightly so! The Arabs and the African Americans are not going to show up for him and almost all Zionists vote Republican now.

He's called out the settlers, asked for a cease fire, declared support for a Palestinian state, stopped the Smotrich plan to take Palestinian funds, tried to set up a green zone, gotten humanitarian supplies in, forcefully ruled out the ethnic cleansing plan, avoided war with iran, avoided war in lebanon, etc etc

He called them out? Ok then. I’m assuming he’s taking steps to stop Americans from funding them? Not vetoing UN resolutions related to them? Or is he just talking with no intention of taking action

I take it that you would prefer he do none of those things like every previous president besides Bush1 and Eisenhower. Personally, I'm very glad that we have a President and SecState that are good at foreign policy.

Both sides have very dirty hands. You are just demanding that we do the same thing we've always done but for the other side this time.

Are they good at it? They’re looking pretty impotent right now

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I was a liberal Democrat about five years ago, maybe less. It was a combination of the party changing and me changing. I think you'll find that just like most Democrats are not AOC, most Republicans aren't Lauren Boebert. In other words, if you occupied a centrist position as a Democrat, you'll find that being a centrist republican isn't that far of a reach.

Republicans embrace support from Nazis with no pushback. What Republican other than Mitt Romney has uttered a word of criticism? There are very few centrist Republicans these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.

The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.

They are protesting Biden you twit

NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.

These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.

The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.

And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.

I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.

Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.

I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.

You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home

And you're forgetting that PA and AZ have enough Jewish voters to swing the election.

As for Dearborn, I don't understand the complaints. Biden has done more for Palestinians than any president since Bush the First. And as for the Jewish complainers, none of his criticisms of Israel have been remotely controversial.

Biden's done a great job on this so far. The Israelis and Palestinians aren't cooperating but that's par for the course. At least he seems to understand the complex interconnected nature of this cluster.

He seems to understand the complex nature? Yes killing 4000 children in the name of finding one Hamas terrorist is so complex LOL. Biden is done. People are calling him Genocide Joe and rightly so! The Arabs and the African Americans are not going to show up for him and almost all Zionists vote Republican now.

He's called out the settlers, asked for a cease fire, declared support for a Palestinian state, stopped the Smotrich plan to take Palestinian funds, tried to set up a green zone, gotten humanitarian supplies in, forcefully ruled out the ethnic cleansing plan, avoided war with iran, avoided war in lebanon, etc etc

He called them out? Ok then. I’m assuming he’s taking steps to stop Americans from funding them? Not vetoing UN resolutions related to them? Or is he just talking with no intention of taking action

I take it that you would prefer he do none of those things like every previous president besides Bush1 and Eisenhower. Personally, I'm very glad that we have a President and SecState that are good at foreign policy.

Both sides have very dirty hands. You are just demanding that we do the same thing we've always done but for the other side this time.

Are they good at it? They’re looking pretty impotent right now

They are very good at it and looking like it too. But since you haven't paid it any attention before and are stuck in your own rhetorical propaganda loop you refuse to see it.

Preventing a war with Iran was a master class in diplomacy. Getting any humanitarian aid in, considering that Bibi's government wanted to starve everybody, was similarly important.

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.

The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.

They are protesting Biden you twit

NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.

These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.

The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.

And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.

I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.

Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.

I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.

I think the PP who keeps saying that moderates are going to see leftists angry with Biden and decide that means Biden isn't pro-Israel enough is completely wrong. But there's a pretty large bloc of Arab voters in Michigan and I'm not sure how that is going to affect the election. Will enough moderates and indepedents - at least the ones who care about Israel - care about Biden's strong position here to counterbalance the Arab voters we're going to lose? I don't know - I hope so.

I would urge Arab voters to consider the alternative. Biden is the only viable Democratic candidate a year out from the election. Not voting or voting for a third party effectively gives Trump a win on a silver platter. And yes of course, sucks that this is our system but it is our system.

I don’t see a Trump presidency being good for anyone who isn’t white, Christian, and fascist. Or anyone who wants a leader who would seek to find diplomatic means to avert crises.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so completely all over the place - first the original troll post suggesting that American Jews are telling people how to vote in school board elections based on their Israel stance (a total falsehood if I ever heard one - almost every Jew I know, including myself, wants a cease fire and is equally horrified by Hamas and Netanyahu), and now people are on to abortion.

I'm voting only true independents (Hussein and Gabor) in the FCPS school board vote, and otherwise straight democratic because Trump is already planning to invoke the insurrection act on his first day in office. Nothing in the world could make me vote for a dictator.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Jew with a trans Jewish kid. While I understand the criticism against Netanyahu, I feel like all of the queer people saying free Palestine (like ok…so where are the Jews supposed to go then) should just go live in Arab states and see how long they stay alive.

I can’t vote Republican but I admit I’m hating all the young liberals who have absolutely no understanding of the complexity and longevity of this conflict but speak with perfect authority.

+100. Not Jewish, no trans kids but I agree. There is some impressive but evil propaganda at hand here.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I was a liberal Democrat about five years ago, maybe less. It was a combination of the party changing and me changing. I think you'll find that just like most Democrats are not AOC, most Republicans aren't Lauren Boebert. In other words, if you occupied a centrist position as a Democrat, you'll find that being a centrist republican isn't that far of a reach.

Republicans embrace support from Nazis with no pushback. What Republican other than Mitt Romney has uttered a word of criticism? There are very few centrist Republicans these days.

How many republicans do you know in real life?

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Well this prediction did fair well.

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Republicans (and message board imposters pretending to be Democrats) walking around in a daze wondering when they're going to be handed elections. OP promised it'd be for "a while". When does that start up exactly? Israel won't even be a story by next year's election.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans (and message board imposters pretending to be Democrats) walking around in a daze wondering when they're going to be handed elections. OP promised it'd be for "a while". When does that start up exactly? Israel won't even be a story by next year's election.

Just like Afghanistan. But folks will remember that a national abortion ban is on the table if the GOP gets the Senate and Presidency.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish and went to services tonight. Was talking to a friend who wants to put together a "cheat sheet" on how to vote in the school board election. We were talking about how the one guy is very anti-trans and she basically said - I don't care about anything except Israel right now, I'm putting pro-choice/pro-life to the side, I'm now a one-issue voter about Israel and anti-semitism.

Guessing that feeling will become more and more prevalent the longer things drag on and lots of one-issue voters are going to change their issue.

Yesterday's election results show that you and your friend, apparently, don't know what you're talking about, do you,?

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.

The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.

They are protesting Biden you twit

NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.

These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.

The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.

And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.

I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.

Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.

I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.

You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home

The Muslim voters are clustered heavily in a few specific districts that vote blue anyhow. I do not understand how people think this is going to swing Michigan at all. They seem a bit ignorant of MI electoral politics.

According a The New York Times/Siena College poll released today, Biden is trailing Trump by 5 points in Michigan. I doubt Biden is as cavalier about the Muslim and Arab vote as you seem to be.

He seems to be. He wants billions to help Israelis shoot down rockets. I haven’t heard any proposal to shoot down planes bombing Palestinians. If both parties are the same on foreign policy, Rs align a lot better with social policy.

Obviously no American President is going to provide an air defense system for Gaza. But, Biden is now supporting a "pause" which is another way to stop the bombing. Netanyahu told him where he can stick it, but let's see if Biden leaves it at that. I suspect Biden knows that political realities mean he needs to claim down on Netanyahu rather than continue hugging him.

He’s asking BiBi to slow down the massacre. Do you think Dearborn voters are pro-abortion? Pro lgbtq? The only difference was a slightly less miserable foreign policy, but I can’t remember a Republican declaring themselves a Zionist

“The majority of American Muslims (56%) believe that abortion should be legal in all (25%) or most cases (32%), on par with the 55% of Catholics who believe that abortion should be legal in all (17%) or most cases (39%).”
https://www.ispu.org/2022-abortion-data/