Why are kids with problematic behavior left in mainstream classes

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Anonymous wrote:Yea, what happened to detentions and suspensions. I’m a taxpayer, I want those back for whom deserves it!!!

And wth is the restorative justices crap?!

What does you being a taxpayer have anything to do with anything?

That sort of attitude right there is largely why we are where we are. You have no right to suggest because you pay taxes you get to demand certain things

[Anonymous]

I was in ES in the late 70s and remembered kids, mostly boys, who were in a separate class but we had lunch, recess, field trips together. Now I realize, they were probably kids with ADHD, other learning disabilities, or behavioral issues. I think they integrated in junior high. Why can’t they do that now? Why did they stop? What changed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yea, what happened to detentions and suspensions. I’m a taxpayer, I want those back for whom deserves it!!!

And wth is the restorative justices crap?!

What does you being a taxpayer have anything to do with anything?

That sort of attitude right there is largely why we are where we are. You have no right to suggest because you pay taxes you get to demand certain things

You must have gone to one of those schools where misbehavior displaced learning. In USA we fought a war against Taxation without Representation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was in ES in the late 70s and remembered kids, mostly boys, who were in a separate class but we had lunch, recess, field trips together. Now I realize, they were probably kids with ADHD, other learning disabilities, or behavioral issues. I think they integrated in junior high. Why can’t they do that now? Why did they stop? What changed?

They didn't stop. They expanded it. It's called "self-contained". But it's extremely expensive to provide for everyone who needs it it's not in the budget.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a coworker did that to me at work, I'd file a police report. Why should me child be subjected to out of control kids?

Guess who are entering the workforce in a couple of years.

Don't worry; there are no jobs for them. They'll be the Discouraged Workers that are not counted in the employment stats.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

throwing a tub of playdoh is attempted murder?

Throwing chairs and tables, not “Play-Doh,” but then, you already knew that.

"Throwing" tables? That's impressive. How high and how far?

We had a tiny 4 yr old flip over a large circular table last year in pre-k. We couldn’t believe it.

Leverage. Basic physics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yea, what happened to detentions and suspensions. I’m a taxpayer, I want those back for whom deserves it!!!

And wth is the restorative justices crap?!

What does you being a taxpayer have anything to do with anything?

That sort of attitude right there is largely why we are where we are. You have no right to suggest because you pay taxes you get to demand certain things

Not to mention that suspensions and detentions are still used today. In fact, there were a series of posts complaining about them a few months ago here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was in ES in the late 70s and remembered kids, mostly boys, who were in a separate class but we had lunch, recess, field trips together. Now I realize, they were probably kids with ADHD, other learning disabilities, or behavioral issues. I think they integrated in junior high. Why can’t they do that now? Why did they stop? What changed?

Or we could just send them to kids' prison!

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Anonymous wrote:I was in ES in the late 70s and remembered kids, mostly boys, who were in a separate class but we had lunch, recess, field trips together. Now I realize, they were probably kids with ADHD, other learning disabilities, or behavioral issues. I think they integrated in junior high. Why can’t they do that now? Why did they stop? What changed?

They didn't stop. They expanded it. It's called "self-contained". But it's extremely expensive to provide for everyone who needs it it's not in the budget.

Self contained is one solution, however there are non-violent students in the self-contained classroom that are injured by violent students. Also, you have to go through the IEP process, be identified with a disability, and the team determines that the pull out is necessary to meet the child’s needs.

Most likely, the child needs an aide. The placement might not matter as much as the staffing. If a child can learn skills to modify behavior with the support of an aide, then the general education environment would be the least restrictive environment.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

throwing a tub of playdoh is attempted murder?

Throwing chairs and tables, not “Play-Doh,” but then, you already knew that.

"Throwing" tables? That's impressive. How high and how far?

Yawn.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

throwing a tub of playdoh is attempted murder?

Throwing chairs and tables, not “Play-Doh,” but then, you already knew that.

"Throwing" tables? That's impressive. How high and how far?

Have you never been in a classroom?

I'd still like to know how high these tables are flying through the air? Do the students ever play catch with them? Any better behaving students ever juggle tables?

I know you think you’re being cute, but you aren’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

It most assuredly does make sense, and I agree with it also. DP

Another agreement that it makes sense, and that I agree. NP

And the research demonstrating otherwise?

Feel free to cite a recent, solid source, if you like.

30 years experience in the classroom. Listen to the people actually in the buildings, doing the work. Research means nothing when these people havent stepped foot in a classroom in years, or usually, ever.

Nope. Cite your peer-reviewed source or don’t make the claim of “research demonstrating otherwise.”

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

throwing a tub of playdoh is attempted murder?

Throwing chairs and tables, not “Play-Doh,” but then, you already knew that.

"Throwing" tables? That's impressive. How high and how far?

My kid was in a class in 4th grade where the student would flip desks over, throw chairs and threw the trash can. Some of these 4th and 5th grade students can be pretty strong.

OK. The PP said students were throwing tables. I'd like to see that. From a distance, of course. Flipping over tables isn't as impressive. Or dangerous.

Nice attempt at deflection. Too bad it failed, and yet you keep doubling down. Odd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a coworker did that to me at work, I'd file a police report. Why should me child be subjected to out of control kids?

Guess who are entering the workforce in a couple of years.

True but public education isn't the same as working for a private company.

Irrelevant. Young children deserve MORE protection from violence (and yes, it is violence) than adults.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was in ES in the late 70s and remembered kids, mostly boys, who were in a separate class but we had lunch, recess, field trips together. Now I realize, they were probably kids with ADHD, other learning disabilities, or behavioral issues. I think they integrated in junior high. Why can’t they do that now? Why did they stop? What changed?

Or we could just send them to kids' prison!

That won’t be necessary. Just get the disruptive kids out of regular classrooms.