Why does the GOP deserve my vote?

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But it isn't, unless you are a billionaire.

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Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.

Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.

Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.

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And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?

Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.

Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.

If someone were to say:

Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.

Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”

So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.

This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.

Nice straw man. I didn't ask for an absolute set of positions. I asked for a platform and what the GOP's policies are. How are they intending to make this nation better? And by the way, there is a party of fascists and there's everyone else. Right now, that means most people have to vote Democrat because there isn't an alternative. I include myself among them.

Once again, the above post wasn’t me, the OP, but I agree with them. I asked Republicans, Moderates and Independents to make the case for why any Republican deserves my vote.

Crickets.

I'm the PP and think someone like Lisa Murkowski could deserve your vote. I'm a Democrat that voted for Larry Hogan. He governed reasonably well, focused on fiscal prudence, and generally acted as a check on the excesses of the Democratic party in Maryland. He was not above criticizing Trump but at the same time, couldn't bring himself to actually vote for a Democrat. It shouldn't be apostasy to do that when Democracy is literally on the line.

Hogan had an agenda of increasing infrastructure for property owners, including himself, in the mostly red area of the state. He also suspended the metro red line and the DC area purple line wasting billions of dollars of investment which would have been catalytic for both areas. Now, those projects are back on trach, but to a ridiculous additional expense. That isn't fiscal prudence.

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Anonymous wrote:OP back again.

Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.

Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.

Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.

+100000

And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?

Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.

Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.

If someone were to say:

Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.

Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”

So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.

This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.

Nice straw man. I didn't ask for an absolute set of positions. I asked for a platform and what the GOP's policies are. How are they intending to make this nation better? And by the way, there is a party of fascists and there's everyone else. Right now, that means most people have to vote Democrat because there isn't an alternative. I include myself among them.

Once again, the above post wasn’t me, the OP, but I agree with them. I asked Republicans, Moderates and Independents to make the case for why any Republican deserves my vote.

Crickets.

I'm the PP and think someone like Lisa Murkowski could deserve your vote. I'm a Democrat that voted for Larry Hogan. He governed reasonably well, focused on fiscal prudence, and generally acted as a check on the excesses of the Democratic party in Maryland. He was not above criticizing Trump but at the same time, couldn't bring himself to actually vote for a Democrat. It shouldn't be apostasy to do that when Democracy is literally on the line.

Hogan had an agenda of increasing infrastructure for property owners, including himself, in the mostly red area of the state. He also suspended the metro red line and the DC area purple line wasting billions of dollars of investment which would have been catalytic for both areas. Now, those projects are back on trach, but to a ridiculous additional expense. That isn't fiscal prudence.

Yep. People see the (R) next to his name and assume some baseline of fiscal conservatism, but he needlessly held up the construction of the purple line as red meat for his base in western MD and the Eastern Shore, and ended up costing the state billions. That's some expensive virtue signaling!

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Anonymous wrote:OP back again.

Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.

Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.

Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.

+100000

And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?

I didn’t answer the question because I’m not voting Republican. But I can see why a true independent or moderate wouldn’t answer. It’s a disingenuous, borderline troll question. I don’t answer troll questions either.

It’s not a troll question to be asked what your party stands for.

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Short answer: they don't deserve anyone's vote.

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Anonymous wrote:OP back again.

Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.

Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.

Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.

+100000

And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?

Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.

Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.

If someone were to say:

Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.

Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”

So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.

This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.

Nice straw man. I didn't ask for an absolute set of positions. I asked for a platform and what the GOP's policies are. How are they intending to make this nation better? And by the way, there is a party of fascists and there's everyone else. Right now, that means most people have to vote Democrat because there isn't an alternative. I include myself among them.

Why should anyone vote for the Dems, just because they don’t like the GOP? I supported Biden in the last election, but the Dems no longer have me as a loyalist. Just because the other side is worse, is no longer good enough. A party like Andrew Yang’s cant gain momentum soon enough. I hope they start making progress over the next decade.

OK, I'll bite.

It's not a matter of simply "disliking" the GOP, as though they simply made the cardinal sin of wearing white after Labor Day. The GOP is an actual existential threat to democracy itself. I can't believe this has to be explained.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want open borders, OP?
If yes, don’t vote Republican.

DP.

The border crisis wasn’t solved under a Republican President from 2020-2024. What are the real, actionable proposals that the GOP is putting forward on the border, that don’t include pandering to the corporate interests benefiting from illegal immigrant labor?

We didn't have a Republican president from 2020-24.
We have had a Democratic president who have made our borders nonexistent. Today's flood of migrants into Eagle Pass has prompted the Democratic mayor to issue a state of emergency and call on Biden to change policy.
The Republicans passed an immigration bill earlier this year that Schumer has refused to take up.
And, if you don't think Democrats are for open borders, you need to listen to Veronica Escobar's "questioning" today at the Garland hearing. It wasn't really questioning as much as complaining about Abbott. Zero recognition or admission that Biden has a self-inflicted crisis because of his rhetoric and policies, or lack of them.

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Anonymous wrote:OP back again.

Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.

Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.

Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.

+100000

And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?

Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.

Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.

If someone were to say:

Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.

Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”

So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.

This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.

Nice straw man. I didn't ask for an absolute set of positions. I asked for a platform and what the GOP's policies are. How are they intending to make this nation better? And by the way, there is a party of fascists and there's everyone else. Right now, that means most people have to vote Democrat because there isn't an alternative. I include myself among them.

Why should anyone vote for the Dems, just because they don’t like the GOP? I supported Biden in the last election, but the Dems no longer have me as a loyalist. Just because the other side is worse, is no longer good enough. A party like Andrew Yang’s cant gain momentum soon enough. I hope they start making progress over the next decade.

OK, I'll bite.

It's not a matter of simply "disliking" the GOP, as though they simply made the cardinal sin of wearing white after Labor Day. The GOP is an actual existential threat to democracy itself. I can't believe this has to be explained.

Funny,
I believe the same thing about Democrats. I fear that Biden has taken our country in a direction that will be irreparable in a year.

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Anonymous wrote:OP back again.

Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.

Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.

Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.

+100000

And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?

Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.

Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.

If someone were to say:

Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.

Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”

So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.

This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.

Nice straw man. I didn't ask for an absolute set of positions. I asked for a platform and what the GOP's policies are. How are they intending to make this nation better? And by the way, there is a party of fascists and there's everyone else. Right now, that means most people have to vote Democrat because there isn't an alternative. I include myself among them.

Why should anyone vote for the Dems, just because they don’t like the GOP? I supported Biden in the last election, but the Dems no longer have me as a loyalist. Just because the other side is worse, is no longer good enough. A party like Andrew Yang’s cant gain momentum soon enough. I hope they start making progress over the next decade.

OK, I'll bite.

It's not a matter of simply "disliking" the GOP, as though they simply made the cardinal sin of wearing white after Labor Day. The GOP is an actual existential threat to democracy itself. I can't believe this has to be explained.

Funny,
I believe the same thing about Democrats. I fear that Biden has taken our country in a direction that will be irreparable in a year.

Here’s my guess: Biden will step down after winning nomination and M&ch&lle Oba%a will step in. You will swoon and coo, and vote for her, thinking she will save the nation, when in truth, what you are seeing now is the nation she wants.

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Anonymous wrote:OP back again.

Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.

Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.

Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.

+100000

And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?

I didn’t answer the question because I’m not voting Republican. But I can see why a true independent or moderate wouldn’t answer. It’s a disingenuous, borderline troll question. I don’t answer troll questions either.

It’s not a troll question to be asked what your party stands for.

It’s a troll question when someone misrepresents herself, as OP did. People recognize dishonesty.

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Anonymous wrote:OP back again.

Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.

Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.

Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.

+100000

And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?

Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.

Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.

If someone were to say:

Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.

Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”

So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.

This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.

So, you have nothing to add in terms of policy reasons to vote for the GOP.

No, because I’m not planning to vote GOP. Why can’t you comprehend that??? At the presidential level it’s also true I may not vote for the Dems at the presidential level. I will wait until the nominees are set and make decisions from there.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want open borders, OP?
If yes, don’t vote Republican.

DP.

The border crisis wasn’t solved under a Republican President from 2020-2024. What are the real, actionable proposals that the GOP is putting forward on the border, that don’t include pandering to the corporate interests benefiting from illegal immigrant labor?

We didn't have a Republican president from 2020-24.
We have had a Democratic president who have made our borders nonexistent. Today's flood of migrants into Eagle Pass has prompted the Democratic mayor to issue a state of emergency and call on Biden to change policy.
The Republicans passed an immigration bill earlier this year that Schumer has refused to take up.
And, if you don't think Democrats are for open borders, you need to listen to Veronica Escobar's "questioning" today at the Garland hearing. It wasn't really questioning as much as complaining about Abbott. Zero recognition or admission that Biden has a self-inflicted crisis because of his rhetoric and policies, or lack of them.

We didn’t? Who was appointing all those judges to the SCOTUS and sucking up to North Korea then?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want open borders, OP?
If yes, don’t vote Republican.

DP.

The border crisis wasn’t solved under a Republican President from 2020-2024. What are the real, actionable proposals that the GOP is putting forward on the border, that don’t include pandering to the corporate interests benefiting from illegal immigrant labor?

We didn't have a Republican president from 2020-24.
We have had a Democratic president who have made our borders nonexistent. Today's flood of migrants into Eagle Pass has prompted the Democratic mayor to issue a state of emergency and call on Biden to change policy.
The Republicans passed an immigration bill earlier this year that Schumer has refused to take up.
And, if you don't think Democrats are for open borders, you need to listen to Veronica Escobar's "questioning" today at the Garland hearing. It wasn't really questioning as much as complaining about Abbott. Zero recognition or admission that Biden has a self-inflicted crisis because of his rhetoric and policies, or lack of them.

We didn’t? Who was appointing all those judges to the SCOTUS and sucking up to North Korea then?

Gah PP with typo date fail.

What was keeping the Republican- majority government from 2016-2020 from solving immigration? Both houses of Congress, more than what the Democrats control now. What stopped them?

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There is nothing that Biden, Democrats in the House and Senate, or Democratic Governors and other state officials have done that should bother any actual moderate. Not one thing. Every policy has majority support.

Disagree. I am a moderate independent, and blame Biden for abuse of executive orders (I also blame pretty much every 20th and 21st century president for this). I blame all of Congress for the current budget deficit and failure to control immigration. I blame Obama for violating American citizens' rights to due process by ordering targeted drone strikes on them. I blame everyone in government for allowing the NSA to spy on American citizens without warrants. There are lots of things that bother me about both major parties.

Re: the bolded - you are not a moderate - all of the above positions are decidedly left. Unlike the border guy who thinks he's an independent (he's far right), you aren't far left, but with the exception of the deficit and border, those are not moderate views.

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Anonymous wrote:OP back again.

Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.

Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.

Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.

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And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?

I didn’t answer the question because I’m not voting Republican. But I can see why a true independent or moderate wouldn’t answer. It’s a disingenuous, borderline troll question. I don’t answer troll questions either.

It’s not a troll question to be asked what your party stands for.

It’s a troll question when someone misrepresents herself, as OP did. People recognize dishonesty.

Yep. The very first sentence of the OP gave her away as a troll. The rest of her rant was simply a desperate attempt to pick a fight. Not interested.