So, what's the pecking order for Boston schools

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Anonymous wrote:NP just got me curious- for all of Boston and MA's reputation being full of good schools and colleges, why is its only state flagship UMass ranked so low? Did it used to be better in the past or was is always a mediocre??

UMB is far from the flagship campus. It is supposed to provide access to “real college” to working people.From am elitist pov it’s the weakest UMass campus but it has a mission of its own. UMass Amherst the flagshiip. It is a research university in the center of Massachusetts.

UMASS Dartmouth actually has the reputation for weakest state school (outside of the “states” like Worcester State and Fitchburg State, etc). UMASS Boston draws a lot of good students these days who want to be in the city but can’t afford or get into one of the “elites”.

Dartmouth is still seen as an unserious party school. Lowell is STEM and the “states” are more technical or specific program oriented. If you want to be a cop, go to Fitchburg State. Teacher? Salem State. And so forth.

Interested in the experience of the kids who are serious students at UMASS Boston. Programs and course offerings seem extensive. There is an honors program. But is it hard to make friends/find your people and have a social community?

It’s a commuter school through and through. I wouldn’t expect any sort of community or peer group to come from the program. If your child is serious about attending, maybe they can live in Savin Hill or Southie where there are tons of young 20 something people.

Nope. It draws a lot of good students from local suburbs. Brand new dorms and D1 sports. I’m not sure of the personal experience there but we’ve had several kids from our well-regarded public go there te last few years and they are still there from what I know. so it can’t be purely non-traditional and commuter students.

UMB is D3. Anything else you say can’t be trusted if you can’t get that right.


https://www.umb.edu/athletics/about#:~:text=UMass%20Boston%20is%20a%20Division,the%20National%20Collegiate%20Athletic%20Association.

Hey, you're right on that. I confused UMASS Boston and Stonehill with regards to their sports division. It happens. But, believe me, the other information I provided is correct. Just because you don't want to believe that it's an up and coming, well-regarded school within MA doesn't mean that it's not true.

UMB only has 1,100 dorm beds for an UG population of 15k. Housing is not guaranteed for any freshmen. I don't think there are plans to put more dorms in the old Bayside Expo space or the Boston Globe space (aka, "Seaport South" - gag me), is there?

Perhaps within certain majors there is a sense of community that I am missing?

Also, Mayor Wu is piloting a program where BPS graduates get their first year at no cost at UMB with support from BPS. While cool & something the school should've considered years ago, that doesn't tell me that students are currently choosing UMB over other options. I'm not here to knock UMB, believe me - I wish it had been a better option when I went to college 20 years ago - but to think UMB is anything but #3 of the 4 UMass schools just isn't true.

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How does UMass Amherst compare to the privates in MA? I guess it depends on the major, but just curious as I know nothing about UMass system.

It has over 60% acceptance rate.
It's probably comparable to 4th-5th tier privates.

This (bolded) is completely false. It is considered a Tier 1 national research university. Just because it’s not Harvard doesn’t mean it’s trash.

We are talking about Boston area, but if you want to see it's relative position
4th would be fair

MIT/Harvard
TU/BC/NU/BU
Brandeis
UMass Amherst

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

You are totally wrong and delusional.
WPI has 60% acceptance rate.
WPI is a good solid tech school, but people pick Northeastern any day of course.
Employers also pick Northeastern first
It's clearly a step below.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

You are totally wrong and delusional.
WPI has 60% acceptance rate.
WPI is a good solid tech school, but people pick Northeastern any day of course.
Employers also pick Northeastern first
It's clearly a step below.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

For hard science I would pick WPI over NU any day. I’m not a NU hater by any chance, but some of you NU zealots are out of your minds.

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

You are totally wrong and delusional.
WPI has 60% acceptance rate.
WPI is a good solid tech school, but people pick Northeastern any day of course.
Employers also pick Northeastern first
It's clearly a step below.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

For hard science I would pick WPI over NU any day. I’m not a NU hater by any chance, but some of you NU zealots are out of your minds.

I'm sure you have your reasons, but nobody cares about 'you'

Th mass general public picks Northeastern.

Can't you handle a simple fact?

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

You are totally wrong and delusional.
WPI has 60% acceptance rate.
WPI is a good solid tech school, but people pick Northeastern any day of course.
Employers also pick Northeastern first
It's clearly a step below.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

For hard science I would pick WPI over NU any day. I’m not a NU hater by any chance, but some of you NU zealots are out of your minds.

UMass Amherst’s undergraduate computer science program is ranked higher than either NU or WPI’s LOL

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Np- my kid chose Brandeis over WPI, Northeastern and BU this year. It’s about fit.

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

You are totally wrong and delusional.
WPI has 60% acceptance rate.
WPI is a good solid tech school, but people pick Northeastern any day of course.
Employers also pick Northeastern first
It's clearly a step below.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

For hard science I would pick WPI over NU any day. I’m not a NU hater by any chance, but some of you NU zealots are out of your minds.

I'm sure you have your reasons, but nobody cares about 'you'

Th mass general public picks Northeastern.

Can't you handle a simple fact?

So we should all become sheeple and follow the crowd? If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you?

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

You are totally wrong and delusional.
WPI has 60% acceptance rate.
WPI is a good solid tech school, but people pick Northeastern any day of course.
Employers also pick Northeastern first
It's clearly a step below.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

For hard science I would pick WPI over NU any day. I’m not a NU hater by any chance, but some of you NU zealots are out of your minds.

I'm sure you have your reasons, but nobody cares about 'you'

Th mass general public picks Northeastern.

Can't you handle a simple fact?

So we should all become sheeple and follow the crowd? If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you?

People have to follow you?

PP said 'WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day'

I just pointed out it's totally wrong and the opposite.

I pointed out the fact that people pick Northeastern any day.

You do you, but nobody cares.

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

You are totally wrong and delusional.
WPI has 60% acceptance rate.
WPI is a good solid tech school, but people pick Northeastern any day of course.
Employers also pick Northeastern first
It's clearly a step below.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

For hard science I would pick WPI over NU any day. I’m not a NU hater by any chance, but some of you NU zealots are out of your minds.

UMass Amherst’s undergraduate computer science program is ranked higher than either NU or WPI’s LOL

https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/yrhu3m/us_news_2023_ranking_of_best_undergraduate/

Looks like UMA is 1 position higher than NU.
But then NU is higher than Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, etc.

Major strength is important, but it's one of the several factors for undergrad education.
Most people would pick Dartmouth over Northeastern. Similarly most pick Northeastern over UMass Amherst or WPI.

Well WPI is a step down in every angle, not sure why someone even brought it up against NU.
Some people at least get instate tuition for Amherst.

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

You are totally wrong and delusional.
WPI has 60% acceptance rate.
WPI is a good solid tech school, but people pick Northeastern any day of course.
Employers also pick Northeastern first
It's clearly a step below.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

+1

I really don't think "transferring to MIT" is anyone's concern.

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

You are totally wrong and delusional.
WPI has 60% acceptance rate.
WPI is a good solid tech school, but people pick Northeastern any day of course.
Employers also pick Northeastern first
It's clearly a step below.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

For hard science I would pick WPI over NU any day. I’m not a NU hater by any chance, but some of you NU zealots are out of your minds.

I'm sure you have your reasons, but nobody cares about 'you'

Th mass general public picks Northeastern.

Can't you handle a simple fact?

The strange part is the "I'm not a Northeastern hater but...." on every single thread. OP really, you must get a life beside finding new ways to mention Northeastern.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on what you’re pecking.

This. Do you want big or small? Liberal arts or tech? campus or no campus? Traditional or hands on? etc. etc. etc.

Who would prefer 'no campus'??

+1

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Salary comparison for above three schools for CS

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?167358-Northeastern-University&fos_code=1101&fos_credential=3
NU: $132,227

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?168421-Worcester-Polytechnic-Institute&fos_code=1107&fos_credential=3
WPI: $124,359

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166629-University-of-Massachusetts-Amherst&fos_code=1107&fos_credential=3
UMA: $111,935

Of course you would be fine at any of the fine schools for CS, but schools as a whole NU is regarded a level above WPI and UMA which have around 60% acceptance rates.

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Anonymous wrote:Olin is really good, but niche. Also don’t see WPI listed, I think it’s the same level at BU and Babson.

Agree this is just about colleges in Boston, but if location didn't matter, WPI is above Northeastern, rankings aside. You'd pick WPI over Northeastern any day unless you are all in on the 5 year plan with internships. Babson and WPI are so completely different, you wouldn't be applying to both, so no sense in comparing. Babson is a business school, WPI's unofficial joke motto is "Friends don't let friends transfer to MIT."

One of many reasons rankings are nonsense.

You are totally wrong and delusional.
WPI has 60% acceptance rate.
WPI is a good solid tech school, but people pick Northeastern any day of course.
Employers also pick Northeastern first
It's clearly a step below.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

For hard science I would pick WPI over NU any day. I’m not a NU hater by any chance, but some of you NU zealots are out of your minds.

UMass Amherst’s undergraduate computer science program is ranked higher than either NU or WPI’s LOL

https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/yrhu3m/us_news_2023_ranking_of_best_undergraduate/

Looks like UMA is 1 position higher than NU.
But then NU is higher than Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, etc.

Major strength is important, but it's one of the several factors for undergrad education.
Most people would pick Dartmouth over Northeastern. Similarly most pick Northeastern over UMass Amherst or WPI.

Well WPI is a step down in every angle, not sure why someone even brought it up against NU.
Some people at least get instate tuition for Amherst.

You’re right. I bet nobody ever in the history of all time has ever picked WPI over NU, especially before NU started gaming the system to shoot their way up the rankings. The NU or bust crowd on this forum really does a disservice to the school.