So, what's the pecking order for Boston schools

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think BC's reputation is inflated here. I would consider it a step below Tufts, equivalent to Brandeis.[/quote]

I have never met anyone who went to Tufts because it was their dream school or #1 choice, except for tufts dental school. I have met plenty of BC diehards and multigenerational BC families and super proud alumni. [/quote]

I disagree with the first point but I take the second-- and for a long time BC had a good alumni network in the Boston area (30 years ago in some lines of work you were better off with a BC degree than one from Harvard). But I don't think school loyalty actually makes the school "better" -- Notre Dame isn't a better school just because some people venerate it (and BC wasn't better than Harvard just because the alumni network was strong).

[b]I guess I'd say you get a better education at Tufts[/b] but a BC degree might be more useful if you stay in the Boston area.[/quote]

BC alumni reach goes beyond Boston. Any interview I've ever had with BC alum on staff, connected us. I've gotten offers whenever that happens. Being able to make those connections makes it easier for them to get to know me (whether they like me as a person beyond the qualifications) and makes it easier for me to assess whether I'd like to work there.

Much stronger than Tufts (which I think is a great school - but very different culture).

[b]I think generally Tufts is considered "better" than BC[/b] but if you have a kid choosing between the two - pick the culture you like better. I do think the long term benefit of BC is higher, but you have to want to go there in the first place.[/quote]

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- Salary Outcome
BC: $96K
NU: $89K
TU: $74K

TU looks like vastly overrated.
BC is impressive when its not even an engineering oriented school.

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Anonymous wrote:- Salary Outcome
BC: $96K
NU: $89K
TU: $74K

TU looks like vastly overrated.
BC is impressive when its not even an engineering oriented school.

BC has a business school (with great alumni supported placement) so it might be coming from there.....

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Anonymous wrote:Tufts
Harvard/MIT
Wellesley
BC/Northeastern
Clown College
Canine Obedience School
BU

Things are shaking up in Boston. Most people who haven't been living here don't realize it.

Clown College is in Plymouth

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Anonymous wrote:All you have to do is look at the acceptance rates, to answer your own question, OP. No need for all these ridiculous posts.

In which case, let’s make NE ineligible for only providing stats on about half the students it admits.

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Anonymous wrote:All you have to do is look at the acceptance rates, to answer your own question, OP. No need for all these ridiculous posts.

In which case, let’s make NE ineligible for only providing stats on about half the students it admits.

Most other schools accept 20-30% incoming students from transfer.
Most of them are admitted from lower tier schools. They don't provide stats on them.

The quality of NU's internal transfer students are in fact almost as good as Boston direct admit students in terms of stats.
They were actually evaluated the same way and chosen with stats unlike transfer students for other schools.
Their stats are slightly lower if lower.

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Anonymous wrote:NP just got me curious- for all of Boston and MA's reputation being full of good schools and colleges, why is its only state flagship UMass ranked so low? Did it used to be better in the past or was is always a mediocre??

UMB is far from the flagship campus. It is supposed to provide access to “real college” to working people.From am elitist pov it’s the weakest UMass campus but it has a mission of its own. UMass Amherst the flagshiip. It is a research university in the center of Massachusetts.

UMASS Dartmouth actually has the reputation for weakest state school (outside of the “states” like Worcester State and Fitchburg State, etc). UMASS Boston draws a lot of good students these days who want to be in the city but can’t afford or get into one of the “elites”.

Dartmouth is still seen as an unserious party school. Lowell is STEM and the “states” are more technical or specific program oriented. If you want to be a cop, go to Fitchburg State. Teacher? Salem State. And so forth.

Interested in the experience of the kids who are serious students at UMASS Boston. Programs and course offerings seem extensive. There is an honors program. But is it hard to make friends/find your people and have a social community?

It’s a commuter school through and through. I wouldn’t expect any sort of community or peer group to come from the program. If your child is serious about attending, maybe they can live in Savin Hill or Southie where there are tons of young 20 something people.

Nope. It draws a lot of good students from local suburbs. Brand new dorms and D1 sports. I’m not sure of the personal experience there but we’ve had several kids from our well-regarded public go there te last few years and they are still there from what I know. so it can’t be purely non-traditional and commuter students.

UMB is D3. Anything else you say can’t be trusted if you can’t get that right.


https://www.umb.edu/athletics/about#:~:text=UMass%20Boston%20is%20a%20Division,the%20National%20Collegiate%20Athletic%20Association.

Hey, you're right on that. I confused UMASS Boston and Stonehill with regards to their sports division. It happens. But, believe me, the other information I provided is correct. Just because you don't want to believe that it's an up and coming, well-regarded school within MA doesn't mean that it's not true.

UMB only has 1,100 dorm beds for an UG population of 15k. Housing is not guaranteed for any freshmen. I don't think there are plans to put more dorms in the old Bayside Expo space or the Boston Globe space (aka, "Seaport South" - gag me), is there?

Perhaps within certain majors there is a sense of community that I am missing?

Also, Mayor Wu is piloting a program where BPS graduates get their first year at no cost at UMB with support from BPS. While cool & something the school should've considered years ago, that doesn't tell me that students are currently choosing UMB over other options. I'm not here to knock UMB, believe me - I wish it had been a better option when I went to college 20 years ago - but to think UMB is anything but #3 of the 4 UMass schools just isn't true.

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I hire from these schools.
Harvard/ MIT best
Bu/ bc/tufts/northeastern/Brandeis
Everyone else

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Anonymous wrote:NP just got me curious- for all of Boston and MA's reputation being full of good schools and colleges, why is its only state flagship UMass ranked so low? Did it used to be better in the past or was is always a mediocre??

UMB is far from the flagship campus. It is supposed to provide access to “real college” to working people.From am elitist pov it’s the weakest UMass campus but it has a mission of its own. UMass Amherst the flagshiip. It is a research university in the center of Massachusetts.

UMASS Dartmouth actually has the reputation for weakest state school (outside of the “states” like Worcester State and Fitchburg State, etc). UMASS Boston draws a lot of good students these days who want to be in the city but can’t afford or get into one of the “elites”.

Dartmouth is still seen as an unserious party school. Lowell is STEM and the “states” are more technical or specific program oriented. If you want to be a cop, go to Fitchburg State. Teacher? Salem State. And so forth.

Interested in the experience of the kids who are serious students at UMASS Boston. Programs and course offerings seem extensive. There is an honors program. But is it hard to make friends/find your people and have a social community?

It’s a commuter school through and through. I wouldn’t expect any sort of community or peer group to come from the program. If your child is serious about attending, maybe they can live in Savin Hill or Southie where there are tons of young 20 something people.

Nope. It draws a lot of good students from local suburbs. Brand new dorms and D1 sports. I’m not sure of the personal experience there but we’ve had several kids from our well-regarded public go there te last few years and they are still there from what I know. so it can’t be purely non-traditional and commuter students.

UMB is D3. Anything else you say can’t be trusted if you can’t get that right.


https://www.umb.edu/athletics/about#:~:text=UMass%20Boston%20is%20a%20Division,the%20National%20Collegiate%20Athletic%20Association.

Hey, you're right on that. I confused UMASS Boston and Stonehill with regards to their sports division. It happens. But, believe me, the other information I provided is correct. Just because you don't want to believe that it's an up and coming, well-regarded school within MA doesn't mean that it's not true.

UMB only has 1,100 dorm beds for an UG population of 15k. Housing is not guaranteed for any freshmen. I don't think there are plans to put more dorms in the old Bayside Expo space or the Boston Globe space (aka, "Seaport South" - gag me), is there?

Perhaps within certain majors there is a sense of community that I am missing?

Also, Mayor Wu is piloting a program where BPS graduates get their first year at no cost at UMB with support from BPS. While cool & something the school should've considered years ago, that doesn't tell me that students are currently choosing UMB over other options. I'm not here to knock UMB, believe me - I wish it had been a better option when I went to college 20 years ago - but to think UMB is anything but #3 of the 4 UMass schools just isn't true.

NP
How does UMass Amherst compare to the privates in MA? I guess it depends on the major, but just curious as I know nothing about UMass system.

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Anonymous wrote:NP just got me curious- for all of Boston and MA's reputation being full of good schools and colleges, why is its only state flagship UMass ranked so low? Did it used to be better in the past or was is always a mediocre??

UMB is far from the flagship campus. It is supposed to provide access to “real college” to working people.From am elitist pov it’s the weakest UMass campus but it has a mission of its own. UMass Amherst the flagshiip. It is a research university in the center of Massachusetts.

UMASS Dartmouth actually has the reputation for weakest state school (outside of the “states” like Worcester State and Fitchburg State, etc). UMASS Boston draws a lot of good students these days who want to be in the city but can’t afford or get into one of the “elites”.

Dartmouth is still seen as an unserious party school. Lowell is STEM and the “states” are more technical or specific program oriented. If you want to be a cop, go to Fitchburg State. Teacher? Salem State. And so forth.

Interested in the experience of the kids who are serious students at UMASS Boston. Programs and course offerings seem extensive. There is an honors program. But is it hard to make friends/find your people and have a social community?

It’s a commuter school through and through. I wouldn’t expect any sort of community or peer group to come from the program. If your child is serious about attending, maybe they can live in Savin Hill or Southie where there are tons of young 20 something people.

Nope. It draws a lot of good students from local suburbs. Brand new dorms and D1 sports. I’m not sure of the personal experience there but we’ve had several kids from our well-regarded public go there te last few years and they are still there from what I know. so it can’t be purely non-traditional and commuter students.

UMB is D3. Anything else you say can’t be trusted if you can’t get that right.


https://www.umb.edu/athletics/about#:~:text=UMass%20Boston%20is%20a%20Division,the%20National%20Collegiate%20Athletic%20Association.

Hey, you're right on that. I confused UMASS Boston and Stonehill with regards to their sports division. It happens. But, believe me, the other information I provided is correct. Just because you don't want to believe that it's an up and coming, well-regarded school within MA doesn't mean that it's not true.

UMB only has 1,100 dorm beds for an UG population of 15k. Housing is not guaranteed for any freshmen. I don't think there are plans to put more dorms in the old Bayside Expo space or the Boston Globe space (aka, "Seaport South" - gag me), is there?

Perhaps within certain majors there is a sense of community that I am missing?

Also, Mayor Wu is piloting a program where BPS graduates get their first year at no cost at UMB with support from BPS. While cool & something the school should've considered years ago, that doesn't tell me that students are currently choosing UMB over other options. I'm not here to knock UMB, believe me - I wish it had been a better option when I went to college 20 years ago - but to think UMB is anything but #3 of the 4 UMass schools just isn't true.

NP
How does UMass Amherst compare to the privates in MA? I guess it depends on the major, but just curious as I know nothing about UMass system.

It has over 60% acceptance rate.
It's probably comparable to 4th-5th tier privates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hire from these schools.
Harvard/ MIT best
Bu/ bc/tufts/northeastern/Brandeis
Everyone else

I hire from these schools and I would list your list differently:

Harvard/MIT
Tufts/BC/Northeastern
BU/Brandeis

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Anonymous wrote:NP just got me curious- for all of Boston and MA's reputation being full of good schools and colleges, why is its only state flagship UMass ranked so low? Did it used to be better in the past or was is always a mediocre??

UMB is far from the flagship campus. It is supposed to provide access to “real college” to working people.From am elitist pov it’s the weakest UMass campus but it has a mission of its own. UMass Amherst the flagshiip. It is a research university in the center of Massachusetts.

UMASS Dartmouth actually has the reputation for weakest state school (outside of the “states” like Worcester State and Fitchburg State, etc). UMASS Boston draws a lot of good students these days who want to be in the city but can’t afford or get into one of the “elites”.

Dartmouth is still seen as an unserious party school. Lowell is STEM and the “states” are more technical or specific program oriented. If you want to be a cop, go to Fitchburg State. Teacher? Salem State. And so forth.

Interested in the experience of the kids who are serious students at UMASS Boston. Programs and course offerings seem extensive. There is an honors program. But is it hard to make friends/find your people and have a social community?

It’s a commuter school through and through. I wouldn’t expect any sort of community or peer group to come from the program. If your child is serious about attending, maybe they can live in Savin Hill or Southie where there are tons of young 20 something people.

Nope. It draws a lot of good students from local suburbs. Brand new dorms and D1 sports. I’m not sure of the personal experience there but we’ve had several kids from our well-regarded public go there te last few years and they are still there from what I know. so it can’t be purely non-traditional and commuter students.

UMB is D3. Anything else you say can’t be trusted if you can’t get that right.


https://www.umb.edu/athletics/about#:~:text=UMass%20Boston%20is%20a%20Division,the%20National%20Collegiate%20Athletic%20Association.

Hey, you're right on that. I confused UMASS Boston and Stonehill with regards to their sports division. It happens. But, believe me, the other information I provided is correct. Just because you don't want to believe that it's an up and coming, well-regarded school within MA doesn't mean that it's not true.

UMB only has 1,100 dorm beds for an UG population of 15k. Housing is not guaranteed for any freshmen. I don't think there are plans to put more dorms in the old Bayside Expo space or the Boston Globe space (aka, "Seaport South" - gag me), is there?

Perhaps within certain majors there is a sense of community that I am missing?

Also, Mayor Wu is piloting a program where BPS graduates get their first year at no cost at UMB with support from BPS. While cool & something the school should've considered years ago, that doesn't tell me that students are currently choosing UMB over other options. I'm not here to knock UMB, believe me - I wish it had been a better option when I went to college 20 years ago - but to think UMB is anything but #3 of the 4 UMass schools just isn't true.

NP
How does UMass Amherst compare to the privates in MA? I guess it depends on the major, but just curious as I know nothing about UMass system.

It has over 60% acceptance rate.
It's probably comparable to 4th-5th tier privates.

This (bolded) is completely false. It is considered a Tier 1 national research university. Just because it’s not Harvard doesn’t mean it’s trash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Depends on what you’re pecking.

This. Do you want big or small? Liberal arts or tech? campus or no campus? Traditional or hands on? etc. etc. etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on what you’re pecking.

This. Do you want big or small? Liberal arts or tech? campus or no campus? Traditional or hands on? etc. etc. etc.

Who would prefer 'no campus'??

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Anonymous wrote:I think BC's reputation is inflated here. I would consider it a step below Tufts, equivalent to Brandeis.

Unless you are Catholic, then it is a Top 3 school, and you wouldn't likely be looking at the the others.