Fetterman - Oz Debate — anyone keeping tabs on this?

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Is the lump on the back of his head from the stroke too? Or did that predate the stroke?

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Anonymous wrote:Oz, man so much for the GOP keeping the government out of people's lives.

Pathetic.

My favorite statement was that a woman's medical choices are between her, her doctor and local politician. I don't know how any woman doesn't find that outrageously offensive.

I see the attack from a medical doctor against someone who had a medical crisis/episode troublesome. He basically saying that people with medical problems aren't fit to hold a job; However, Oz said he would vote for a mentally ill narcissist for President, again. That should disqualify Oz since it shows how limited his intelligence is.

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I largely stopped posting in the political forum because of the selfish partisanship and this thread is a perfect example.

Fetterman suffered a severe stroke. This is not a minor stroke. But severe. Naked partisanship lied and tried to hide it when the right thing to do was go have him withdraw from the race six months ago and allow another primary.

The problem with Fetterman is this is the kind of heath challenge leaving him at much higher risk of a subsequent stroke, and this isn't even getting into the other visible health problems. Throwing him into a senate campaign, and then serving as senator is a highly stressful, intense environment. The perfect environment to lead to a second, and problable, final stroke. The only way he can cope, meaningfully, is to act as a senator in name only, with real decisions made behind the scenes and he only comes forward for the vote after being told who to vote for. And it is clear that is what some people are trying to bank on.

If you really cared about his health, you wouldn't vote for him. But I do see that it's more important to save the seat for the Democrats so you'll engage in this shrieking rigamarole about maga whatever and denial. Yhr whole thing is embarrassing for the Democrats and their allies in the media who tried to look the other way instead of asking the hard questions that should have been asked when the stroke happened. No wonder why people have such low faith or trust in modern journalism, let alone the parties.

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Anonymous wrote:I largely stopped posting in the political forum because of the selfish partisanship and this thread is a perfect example.

Fetterman suffered a severe stroke. This is not a minor stroke. But severe. Naked partisanship lied and tried to hide it when the right thing to do was go have him withdraw from the race six months ago and allow another primary.

The problem with Fetterman is this is the kind of heath challenge leaving him at much higher risk of a subsequent stroke, and this isn't even getting into the other visible health problems. Throwing him into a senate campaign, and then serving as senator is a highly stressful, intense environment. The perfect environment to lead to a second, and problable, final stroke. The only way he can cope, meaningfully, is to act as a senator in name only, with real decisions made behind the scenes and he only comes forward for the vote after being told who to vote for. And it is clear that is what some people are trying to bank on.

If you really cared about his health, you wouldn't vote for him. But I do see that it's more important to save the seat for the Democrats so you'll engage in this shrieking rigamarole about maga whatever and denial. Yhr whole thing is embarrassing for the Democrats and their allies in the media who tried to look the other way instead of asking the hard questions that should have been asked when the stroke happened. No wonder why people have such low faith or trust in modern journalism, let alone the parties.

Speaking of partisanship...

Fetterman is 53. He suffered a massive stroke, yes. And yes, he is at risk for another stroke, at some point in the future. But he's still in his prime and doesn't need to be retired and put out to pasture yet.

He spoke and communicated his thoughts. As did Oz. Very clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:It was painful to watch.

It was no where near as bad as these people on twitter are making it out to be
Yes he stumbled a little more than the average politician during a debate but all things considered having had a stroke not long ago he did really well

Nonetheless no I wouldn’t vote for him at this time. Having a stroke has physical and cognitive side effects. It is possible that with the passage of time both improve but it’s not a given. There is also quite a bit of follow up medical appts and monitoring. And once a person has a stroke they are far more likely to suffer another. He needs to put time and effort into healing and that is where his energy will eventually be needed. He can continue to push himself but he will likely burn out it worse suffer another stroke. I know someone who struggled with aphasia after a stroke. It took a few months to get back to a level where he didn’t have to struggle for the most common words and about a year out, he only struggled if he became very tired. It didn’t go away completely it just improved.

Typically, there would be improvement much beyond a few months. Especially for someone this young, who does therapy.
Members of Congress get cancer and go out for months for treatment & recovery….including multiple bouts of cancer. Steve Scalise was shot and out of commission for months. Tons of members of congress have serious medical conditions that require ongoing care, including Senator McConnell.

Fetterman will be fine and improve with time. He will have doctors in both DC and PA helping with ongoing speech therapy.

This is truly a nothingburger. The guy isn’t a vegetable, he can think and write. Debate and speech is mostly dead in the Senate.

Why are you comparing cancer or physical disabilities to mental impairment? Of course we aren't going to kick someone out of the Senate for physical injuries or disabilities. The truth is nobody, except perhaps him, knows his full condition, and the extent of actual damage. He may recover further, or he many not.

Because people in this thread are saying he will miss work due to treatments. It's a shoddy argument.

We already know a significant portion of members of Congress have mental health issues and old age impairments. It's not clear to me why Fetterman is judged differently, especially because he's still fairly young and can make a full recovery.

We have NO IDEA how much he will improve. He could have reached that already. He won't release his medical records or his prognosis.

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I simply cannot believe that he is still our Democratic nominee. The sense of entitlement is shocking.

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Anonymous wrote:I largely stopped posting in the political forum because of the selfish partisanship and this thread is a perfect example.

Fetterman suffered a severe stroke. This is not a minor stroke. But severe. Naked partisanship lied and tried to hide it when the right thing to do was go have him withdraw from the race six months ago and allow another primary.

The problem with Fetterman is this is the kind of heath challenge leaving him at much higher risk of a subsequent stroke, and this isn't even getting into the other visible health problems. Throwing him into a senate campaign, and then serving as senator is a highly stressful, intense environment. The perfect environment to lead to a second, and problable, final stroke. The only way he can cope, meaningfully, is to act as a senator in name only, with real decisions made behind the scenes and he only comes forward for the vote after being told who to vote for. And it is clear that is what some people are trying to bank on.

If you really cared about his health, you wouldn't vote for him. But I do see that it's more important to save the seat for the Democrats so you'll engage in this shrieking rigamarole about maga whatever and denial. Yhr whole thing is embarrassing for the Democrats and their allies in the media who tried to look the other way instead of asking the hard questions that should have been asked when the stroke happened. No wonder why people have such low faith or trust in modern journalism, let alone the parties.

Speaking of partisanship...

Fetterman is 53. He suffered a massive stroke, yes. And yes, he is at risk for another stroke, at some point in the future. But he's still in his prime and doesn't need to be retired and put out to pasture yet.

He spoke and communicated his thoughts. As did Oz. Very clearly.

You also have to remember that, at only 53, Fetterman has had health problems for years. He has a pacemaker for afib. He is 6'8" tall and at one point weighed more than 400 pounds. He is not a healthy individual, even before the stroke.

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Anonymous wrote:I largely stopped posting in the political forum because of the selfish partisanship and this thread is a perfect example.

Fetterman suffered a severe stroke. This is not a minor stroke. But severe. Naked partisanship lied and tried to hide it when the right thing to do was go have him withdraw from the race six months ago and allow another primary.

The problem with Fetterman is this is the kind of heath challenge leaving him at much higher risk of a subsequent stroke, and this isn't even getting into the other visible health problems. Throwing him into a senate campaign, and then serving as senator is a highly stressful, intense environment. The perfect environment to lead to a second, and problable, final stroke. The only way he can cope, meaningfully, is to act as a senator in name only, with real decisions made behind the scenes and he only comes forward for the vote after being told who to vote for. And it is clear that is what some people are trying to bank on.

If you really cared about his health, you wouldn't vote for him. But I do see that it's more important to save the seat for the Democrats so you'll engage in this shrieking rigamarole about maga whatever and denial. Yhr whole thing is embarrassing for the Democrats and their allies in the media who tried to look the other way instead of asking the hard questions that should have been asked when the stroke happened. No wonder why people have such low faith or trust in modern journalism, let alone the parties.

Speaking of partisanship...

Fetterman is 53. He suffered a massive stroke, yes. And yes, he is at risk for another stroke, at some point in the future. But he's still in his prime and doesn't need to be retired and put out to pasture yet.

He spoke and communicated his thoughts. As did Oz. Very clearly.

Yep. And without even the slightest hint of self-awareness, I'm sure the PP considers herself to be a free-thinking independent.

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No wonder the Republicans in this thread have their undies in such a bunch. They don't know the first thing about courage, honesty, or humility.

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Typical GOP talking points recycled from the “Biden is unfit” theme.

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The debate was a train wreck, pure and simple. Two awful candidates. Hypocritical posturing from both sides of the aisle.

The fact that so many people hope that losers like these two guys (whoever wins) will actually make a day to day difference in their lives amazes me to no end.

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s what you think of when you consider somebody a highly qualified candidate for the US Senate then your standards and expectations are absurdly low. What exactly has Fetterman achieved in his career to deserve this nomination? You may agree with his policies and you may dislike Oz but nobody objectively can say Fetterman is a person you’d want representing your interests in the Senate.

He’s the Lt Governor of the state of PA and was a successful mayor who helped revitalize an otherwise dying town.

He’s qualified to be a US Senator. He’s way more qualified than others who became Governor (Schwarzenegger), Senator (Franken), or President (Trump) with zero experience in public service.

Today only around 1,700 people remain, of which about 72 percent are Black. About one-third live below the federal poverty threshold.

“He first come in thinking that he was in charge of everything,” Brown said. “After a couple run-ins him and I had, he stopped coming to meetings. He should have been in all council meetings to break a tie in case there was a tie or if he had some input he could put input in, but he didn’t do that.”

(Brown is a former council president.)

Walking down the main avenue in Braddock, most buildings are in disrepair, marred by peeling paint, rotted wood and broken glass. Ferty’s Bar, which has closed, has a faded newspaper article in the window: “Braddock upgrades its look.” The faux brick facade is peeling off. The roof has collapsed, and the interior is a mess of splintered wood and debris.

Not everything spearheaded by Fetterman succeeded. He lured a celebrity chef to open a restaurant in a building he owned in 2017. Superior Motors won raves in Food & Wine and the New York Times. The menu included beef tartare and sashimi appetizers, while entrees ran in price from $22 to $29.
Kander, who helped raised money for the restaurant, said it offered 50 percent discount to residents and was intended to lure outsiders to Braddock and employ locals. Braddock Redux received grants for a communal oven and culinary classes. But Kander said the restaurant could not survive the pandemic and the departure of the chef four years later.
The restaurant also lacked a hometown customer base. John Paylor, who was riding down the street on a recent day in a motorized wheelchair, said the restaurant was too expensive for most Braddock residents, even with the discount.

You’re the mayor of a depressed town … I’m not paying no $50″ for dinner, he said. “That’s a week, four days of groceries. That’s how it was. It was like, if you ain’t on his side or go along with him then he have nothing to do with you.”
The restaurant’s closing in 2021 rankled many residents, who said it proved Fetterman was out of touch. Some critics even said he was using the community to advance his political career.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/26/mayor-trying-revive-crumbling-town-fetterman-shunned-local-government/

So the locals were angry that they could get a gourmet meal for $12 (A McDonalds meal is easily $10 now) so they refused to go to the restaurant causing it to close and blamed Fetterman. Got it. How do areas living below the poverty line anticipate they will ever get out of poverty if they can't entice businesses and visitors from outside their area to come in and spend money there? They are obviously too poor to get themselves out of poverty and expect a politician to wave a magic stick.

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Anonymous wrote:It was painful to watch.

It was no where near as bad as these people on twitter are making it out to be
Yes he stumbled a little more than the average politician during a debate but all things considered having had a stroke not long ago he did really well

Nonetheless no I wouldn’t vote for him at this time. Having a stroke has physical and cognitive side effects. It is possible that with the passage of time both improve but it’s not a given. There is also quite a bit of follow up medical appts and monitoring. And once a person has a stroke they are far more likely to suffer another. He needs to put time and effort into healing and that is where his energy will eventually be needed. He can continue to push himself but he will likely burn out it worse suffer another stroke. I know someone who struggled with aphasia after a stroke. It took a few months to get back to a level where he didn’t have to struggle for the most common words and about a year out, he only struggled if he became very tired. It didn’t go away completely it just improved.

Members of Congress get cancer and go out for months for treatment & recovery….including multiple bouts of cancer. Steve Scalise was shot and out of commission for months. Tons of members of congress have serious medical conditions that require ongoing care, including Senator McConnell.

Fetterman will be fine and improve with time. He will have doctors in both DC and PA helping with ongoing speech therapy.

This is truly a nothingburger. The guy isn’t a vegetable, he can think and write. Debate and speech is mostly dead in the Senate.

There is no way to know today if that is true. Even his doctors aren't going to tell him that for sure. It's not a definite. He might not improve and all the speech therapy in the world won't make a difference.

It's definitely not a nothingburger. It is a real issue.

It's not a "speech therapy" issue. It is severe cognitive impairment, as a result of the stroke. All I can say is that Mrs. Fetterman is another Mrs. Biden - power hungry women who will literally throw their husbands to the wolves, just for a chance to be in power.

Aphasia is not a "severe cognitive impairment," you shameless liar.

And that is so offensive. I had a stroke when I was 35 (35!). My speech was, yeah, it was bad for awhile, but my cognitive functioning remained the same. This whole thread is kind of disgusting and full of misinformation. Makes me sad.

Then, you - of all people - should know that strokes affect different people differently.
We have no idea if his cognitive functioning remains unaffected. He has not released his medical records and the only information he has released is from a single doctor who claims he is able to serve. Perhaps physically this is true, but voters want to know if he will be able to engage in rigorous debate, make decisions on votes independently, and work with other Senators to get work done. Or, as another poster stated, will he simply be able to "press the button he's told to press." That is NOT what being a Senator means.

Democratic voters in PA should be pissed. The Fetterman campaign withheld the seriousness of his condition DURING THE PRIMARY. They knew voters would not want to send a candidate whose cognitive condition is unknown to the Senate. So, they kept his condition secret and didn't disclose the seriousness of his health until they were essentially forced to.
If this is what we can expect from a "Senator Fetterman," then voters in PA should reject him.