Loud ATV drivers at night? City government? Police?

[Anonymous]

Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

You're right. It's easy to do. Just require any wheeled or tracked vehicle travelling 20mph or more on public property to be registered, required to follow motor vehicle traffic rules and their operator licensed for the amount of wheels or tracks they are using. It's a simple solution, easy to enforce and future proof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

The children in those neighborhoods are the ones riding ATVs and dirt bikes.

Those too little to have a dirt bike have their own “roll outs” on their BMX bikes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

You're right. It's easy to do. Just require any wheeled or tracked vehicle travelling 20mph or more on public property to be registered, required to follow motor vehicle traffic rules and their operator licensed for the amount of wheels or tracks they are using. It's a simple solution, easy to enforce and future proof.

OMG - this is sarcasm, right?

You cannot possibly be this ignorant of the facts here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

You're right. It's easy to do. Just require any wheeled or tracked vehicle travelling 20mph or more on public property to be registered, required to follow motor vehicle traffic rules and their operator licensed for the amount of wheels or tracks they are using. It's a simple solution, easy to enforce and future proof.

OMG - this is sarcasm, right?

You cannot possibly be this ignorant of the facts here.

No. That solves the problem. It's also basic common sense. What about that would anybody disagree with? The problem with cracking down on them is that they don't necessarily fit into one of the categories so it is not clear if they are violating the law. Identifying exact engine size by quick glance is virtually impossible. Instead of expensive or complicated workarounds that won't work, acoustic cameras lol, just close the loopholes and simplify the process. KISS

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Anonymous wrote:London trialing acoustic cameras to curb muscle cars. Fines are too low but it will catch on soon. DC could make so much money on these and good riddance lawn mower riders

Why would anyone think that's a good idea?

It’s brilliant. You and your lawnmower come to DC to joyride. Police can’t chase you. No probs. You go home, a letter arrives a few days later with a $500 fine; next offense $1000, next $2000 you get the picture… You find a new hobby or terrorize your local hickville

Love it! People who intentionally cut off their mufflers and race around quiet neighborhoods at 2am should pay a hefty fine.

Why not just put in place policy incentives to replace these two-stroke ICE vehicles with quiet, electric vehicles? Seems like a much better and progressive policy approach that will have added climate benefits.

There's no way to incentivize that. It seems a lot easier to just fix the law by removing the engine size requirement.

They’ve already outlawed leaf blowers. Would hr easy to just outlaw all two-stroke engines and then provide subsidies for electric replacements, including dirt bikes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:London trialing acoustic cameras to curb muscle cars. Fines are too low but it will catch on soon. DC could make so much money on these and good riddance lawn mower riders

Why would anyone think that's a good idea?

It’s brilliant. You and your lawnmower come to DC to joyride. Police can’t chase you. No probs. You go home, a letter arrives a few days later with a $500 fine; next offense $1000, next $2000 you get the picture… You find a new hobby or terrorize your local hickville

Love it! People who intentionally cut off their mufflers and race around quiet neighborhoods at 2am should pay a hefty fine.

Why not just put in place policy incentives to replace these two-stroke ICE vehicles with quiet, electric vehicles? Seems like a much better and progressive policy approach that will have added climate benefits.

There's no way to incentivize that. It seems a lot easier to just fix the law by removing the engine size requirement.

They’ve already outlawed leaf blowers. Would hr easy to just outlaw all two-stroke engines and then provide subsidies for electric replacements, including dirt bikes.

Some dirt bikes don't have any requirements or rules that apply to them. The police have enough on their plate without having to deal with decibal monitors. There's too many overlapping rules and requirements to effectively enforce. Reducing complexity through harmonization makes enforcement easier, reduces the possibility of enforcement mistakes, and solves the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

You're right. It's easy to do. Just require any wheeled or tracked vehicle travelling 20mph or more on public property to be registered, required to follow motor vehicle traffic rules and their operator licensed for the amount of wheels or tracks they are using. It's a simple solution, easy to enforce and future proof.

OMG - this is sarcasm, right?

You cannot possibly be this ignorant of the facts here.

No. That solves the problem. It's also basic common sense. What about that would anybody disagree with? The problem with cracking down on them is that they don't necessarily fit into one of the categories so it is not clear if they are violating the law. Identifying exact engine size by quick glance is virtually impossible. Instead of expensive or complicated workarounds that won't work, acoustic cameras lol, just close the loopholes and simplify the process. KISS

The laws already exist.

The teens riding illegal bike DGAF about any of the laws. They simply ignore them.

I really believe you do not get it. At all. You are completely clueless about the "biker boys" culture.

But if you disagree, just head down to S.E. any summer evening, becon over one of the young men on an illegal dirtbike or ATV, and explain to him he must immediately cease and desist riding because it is in violation of traffic lawas and a danger.

Report back to us here how that goes.

[Anonymous]

The person above said it. We don’t get it. Let’s leave you to it.

NIMBY is true I guess. And there I thought I wanted to make this city livable for all who care. Enjoy. I’ll watch my real estate $$$$$$$$&$$$$$

[Anonymous]

What with planes, fuds, crime, ATVs, rich just get richer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

You're right. It's easy to do. Just require any wheeled or tracked vehicle travelling 20mph or more on public property to be registered, required to follow motor vehicle traffic rules and their operator licensed for the amount of wheels or tracks they are using. It's a simple solution, easy to enforce and future proof.

OMG - this is sarcasm, right?

You cannot possibly be this ignorant of the facts here.

No. That solves the problem. It's also basic common sense. What about that would anybody disagree with? The problem with cracking down on them is that they don't necessarily fit into one of the categories so it is not clear if they are violating the law. Identifying exact engine size by quick glance is virtually impossible. Instead of expensive or complicated workarounds that won't work, acoustic cameras lol, just close the loopholes and simplify the process. KISS

The laws already exist.

The teens riding illegal bike DGAF about any of the laws. They simply ignore them.

I really believe you do not get it. At all. You are completely clueless about the "biker boys" culture.

But if you disagree, just head down to S.E. any summer evening, becon over one of the young men on an illegal dirtbike or ATV, and explain to him he must immediately cease and desist riding because it is in violation of traffic lawas and a danger.

Report back to us here how that goes.

What you seem to be missing is that it is not entirely clear that the dirt bikes are violating any laws right now. Engines smaller than 50cc or dirt bikes with manual gears are not illegal and have no registration requirement. There are also different rules depending on whether or not there are pedals and the type of tire installed. Changing the registration rule to make it speed based and vehicle neutral solves that problem, prevents loopholes and simplifies enforcement.

Without registration tying the vehicle to the owner there is no point in fines.
Banning two stroke engines has the exact same enforcement problem, is ineffective because 4 stroke engines exist, and includes lawnmowers among other things.

[Anonymous]

I give up and join the NIMBYs. I believe the challenge to the climate change and the noise pollution are reason enough to crack down. I can think of about a 100 other issues and at least 10 solutions. But instead I’ll enjoy where I live in DC (with some regret, as I wish we could all engage with one another) which is blissfully free of this hellscape. Enjoy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

You're right. It's easy to do. Just require any wheeled or tracked vehicle travelling 20mph or more on public property to be registered, required to follow motor vehicle traffic rules and their operator licensed for the amount of wheels or tracks they are using. It's a simple solution, easy to enforce and future proof.

OMG - this is sarcasm, right?

You cannot possibly be this ignorant of the facts here.

No. That solves the problem. It's also basic common sense. What about that would anybody disagree with? The problem with cracking down on them is that they don't necessarily fit into one of the categories so it is not clear if they are violating the law. Identifying exact engine size by quick glance is virtually impossible. Instead of expensive or complicated workarounds that won't work, acoustic cameras lol, just close the loopholes and simplify the process. KISS

The laws already exist.

The teens riding illegal bike DGAF about any of the laws. They simply ignore them.

I really believe you do not get it. At all. You are completely clueless about the "biker boys" culture.

But if you disagree, just head down to S.E. any summer evening, becon over one of the young men on an illegal dirtbike or ATV, and explain to him he must immediately cease and desist riding because it is in violation of traffic lawas and a danger.

Report back to us here how that goes.

What you seem to be missing is that it is not entirely clear that the dirt bikes are violating any laws right now. Engines smaller than 50cc or dirt bikes with manual gears are not illegal and have no registration requirement. There are also different rules depending on whether or not there are pedals and the type of tire installed. Changing the registration rule to make it speed based and vehicle neutral solves that problem, prevents loopholes and simplifies enforcement.

Without registration tying the vehicle to the owner there is no point in fines.
Banning two stroke engines has the exact same enforcement problem, is ineffective because 4 stroke engines exist, and includes lawnmowers among other things.

These rules seem pretty clear: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/minibikes-and-other-small-vehicles

It is illegal to ride or operate a minibike, dirt bike or All Terrain Vehicle (ATV) anywhere on public space in the District of Columbia (including streets, sidewalks, alleyways, bike lanes, public trails and other public locations).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

You're right. It's easy to do. Just require any wheeled or tracked vehicle travelling 20mph or more on public property to be registered, required to follow motor vehicle traffic rules and their operator licensed for the amount of wheels or tracks they are using. It's a simple solution, easy to enforce and future proof.

OMG - this is sarcasm, right?

You cannot possibly be this ignorant of the facts here.

No. That solves the problem. It's also basic common sense. What about that would anybody disagree with? The problem with cracking down on them is that they don't necessarily fit into one of the categories so it is not clear if they are violating the law. Identifying exact engine size by quick glance is virtually impossible. Instead of expensive or complicated workarounds that won't work, acoustic cameras lol, just close the loopholes and simplify the process. KISS

The laws already exist.

The teens riding illegal bike DGAF about any of the laws. They simply ignore them.

I really believe you do not get it. At all. You are completely clueless about the "biker boys" culture.

But if you disagree, just head down to S.E. any summer evening, becon over one of the young men on an illegal dirtbike or ATV, and explain to him he must immediately cease and desist riding because it is in violation of traffic lawas and a danger.

Report back to us here how that goes.

What you seem to be missing is that it is not entirely clear that the dirt bikes are violating any laws right now. Engines smaller than 50cc or dirt bikes with manual gears are not illegal and have no registration requirement. There are also different rules depending on whether or not there are pedals and the type of tire installed. Changing the registration rule to make it speed based and vehicle neutral solves that problem, prevents loopholes and simplifies enforcement.

Without registration tying the vehicle to the owner there is no point in fines.
Banning two stroke engines has the exact same enforcement problem, is ineffective because 4 stroke engines exist, and includes lawnmowers among other things.

These rules seem pretty clear: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/minibikes-and-other-small-vehicles

It is illegal to ride or operate a minibike, dirt bike or All Terrain Vehicle (ATV) anywhere on public space in the District of Columbia (including streets, sidewalks, alleyways, bike lanes, public trails and other public locations).

Look at the definitions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

You're right. It's easy to do. Just require any wheeled or tracked vehicle travelling 20mph or more on public property to be registered, required to follow motor vehicle traffic rules and their operator licensed for the amount of wheels or tracks they are using. It's a simple solution, easy to enforce and future proof.

OMG - this is sarcasm, right?

You cannot possibly be this ignorant of the facts here.

No. That solves the problem. It's also basic common sense. What about that would anybody disagree with? The problem with cracking down on them is that they don't necessarily fit into one of the categories so it is not clear if they are violating the law. Identifying exact engine size by quick glance is virtually impossible. Instead of expensive or complicated workarounds that won't work, acoustic cameras lol, just close the loopholes and simplify the process. KISS

The laws already exist.

The teens riding illegal bike DGAF about any of the laws. They simply ignore them.

I really believe you do not get it. At all. You are completely clueless about the "biker boys" culture.

But if you disagree, just head down to S.E. any summer evening, becon over one of the young men on an illegal dirtbike or ATV, and explain to him he must immediately cease and desist riding because it is in violation of traffic lawas and a danger.

Report back to us here how that goes.

What you seem to be missing is that it is not entirely clear that the dirt bikes are violating any laws right now. Engines smaller than 50cc or dirt bikes with manual gears are not illegal and have no registration requirement. There are also different rules depending on whether or not there are pedals and the type of tire installed. Changing the registration rule to make it speed based and vehicle neutral solves that problem, prevents loopholes and simplifies enforcement.

Without registration tying the vehicle to the owner there is no point in fines.
Banning two stroke engines has the exact same enforcement problem, is ineffective because 4 stroke engines exist, and includes lawnmowers among other things.

These rules seem pretty clear: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/minibikes-and-other-small-vehicles

It is illegal to ride or operate a minibike, dirt bike or All Terrain Vehicle (ATV) anywhere on public space in the District of Columbia (including streets, sidewalks, alleyways, bike lanes, public trails and other public locations).

Look at the definitions.

There's nothing about tire or engine size for dirt bikes or ATVs.