Bethesda homicide

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Anonymous wrote:Established in 1973, GAP is a high-intensity, structured group home in Bethesda Maryland, serving males aged 12-20 who have experienced physical and emotional abuse, neglect, sex and human trafficking, or involvement with the juvenile justice system. The youth who are placed through the Maryland Department of Social Services or the Department of Juvenile Services receive individual and group therapy, trauma informed, positive youth development, life skills development, educational services, pro-social recreation activities, and comprehensive health services. In addition, these youth receive 24-hour residential care and supportive services that focus on family permanency and community reintegration.

https://nccf-cares.org/youth/

This is just fancy language for a partial care psychiatric facility for adolescents involved in the criminal justice and foster care systems.

It’s fancy for sexually molested and rape victims.

of course it could be both.

It's primarily a program for adolescent boys from DC who have been involved in the criminal justice system and who have been removed from parental care. While boys can certainly be sexually assaulted, they typically end up at NCCF for other reasons. Many have previously been in foster care, like the 18 year old involved in the murder.

Why import these future felons into MoCo?

the whole point of the program is to help steer them away from becoming felons and give them more educational opportunities.

Appears to be working brilliantly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Established in 1973, GAP is a high-intensity, structured group home in Bethesda Maryland, serving males aged 12-20 who have experienced physical and emotional abuse, neglect, sex and human trafficking, or involvement with the juvenile justice system. The youth who are placed through the Maryland Department of Social Services or the Department of Juvenile Services receive individual and group therapy, trauma informed, positive youth development, life skills development, educational services, pro-social recreation activities, and comprehensive health services. In addition, these youth receive 24-hour residential care and supportive services that focus on family permanency and community reintegration.

https://nccf-cares.org/youth/

This is just fancy language for a partial care psychiatric facility for adolescents involved in the criminal justice and foster care systems.

It’s fancy for sexually molested and rape victims.

of course it could be both.

It's primarily a program for adolescent boys from DC who have been involved in the criminal justice system and who have been removed from parental care. While boys can certainly be sexually assaulted, they typically end up at NCCF for other reasons. Many have previously been in foster care, like the 18 year old involved in the murder.

Why import these future felons into MoCo?

the whole point of the program is to help steer them away from becoming felons and give them more educational opportunities.

Appears to be working brilliantly.

As a PP point out, the NCCF shelter was built when this was farm land and the idea was to get families away from the troubled environments. When the GAP program started in 1970, Bethesda didn’t even have metro. Now they can get to and from their old friends really easily plus MoCo has its own crime issues so if they’re looking for trouble, it’s easy to find. There was another instance a couple years ago where a girl at the shelter ran away and as I recall she had just taken the bus to metro and gone into the city fo meet up with her problematic boyfriend. It’s a good location for family shelter as the moms can take public transportation to work — but it’s not a great location for troubled teens who you are trying to give a fresh start. I had some professional involvement with homes with court involved youth and it is super hard to design good programs for that group.

[Anonymous]

The county council and state politicians have ruined this area. The police department is falling apart, the have more leaving than joining.

The number of officers in the “drop” program is at an all time high which means they can retire anytime but must leave within 3 years.

When you can personally be sued for arresting someone who can claim anything they can’t do their job. They don’t want to do their job and they won’t.

The leadership of the police department is all political and Manger was the worst at it.

People don’t realize how few officers are on a shift. If they knew how many were working at one time they would be shocked and it is only going to get worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The county council and state politicians have ruined this area. The police department is falling apart, the have more leaving than joining.

The number of officers in the “drop” program is at an all time high which means they can retire anytime but must leave within 3 years.

When you can personally be sued for arresting someone who can claim anything they can’t do their job. They don’t want to do their job and they won’t.

The leadership of the police department is all political and Manger was the worst at it.

People don’t realize how few officers are on a shift. If they knew how many were working at one time they would be shocked and it is only going to get worse.

The attrition is police departments is a national problem not a MoCo specific. MoCo pays a smidge more than surrounding counties so doesn’t have it quite as bad as some other places. And the DROP program actually incentivized officers to stay a few more years — those officers all would have retired sooner if not for the DROP.
The police problem is a national one and one I’m not sure there’s an immediate fix for. Higher wages, better training are part of it but won’t come close to solving the problem. Gun control would also help a lot, as right now who wants to be the one serving a warrant on someone who may have a arsenal like a small country behind the door? But we know gun control is basically a non-starter in this country, so here we are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Established in 1973, GAP is a high-intensity, structured group home in Bethesda Maryland, serving males aged 12-20 who have experienced physical and emotional abuse, neglect, sex and human trafficking, or involvement with the juvenile justice system. The youth who are placed through the Maryland Department of Social Services or the Department of Juvenile Services receive individual and group therapy, trauma informed, positive youth development, life skills development, educational services, pro-social recreation activities, and comprehensive health services. In addition, these youth receive 24-hour residential care and supportive services that focus on family permanency and community reintegration.

https://nccf-cares.org/youth/

This is just fancy language for a partial care psychiatric facility for adolescents involved in the criminal justice and foster care systems.

It’s fancy for sexually molested and rape victims.

of course it could be both.

It's primarily a program for adolescent boys from DC who have been involved in the criminal justice system and who have been removed from parental care. While boys can certainly be sexually assaulted, they typically end up at NCCF for other reasons. Many have previously been in foster care, like the 18 year old involved in the murder.

Why import these future felons into MoCo?

the whole point of the program is to help steer them away from becoming felons and give them more educational opportunities.

Appears to be working brilliantly.

Given the program has been around since 1973 and this is the worst thing that has occurred in that time, yes, I expect it does for the most part work as it should. This is a monumental fail and it is heart-breaking on several levels.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The county council and state politicians have ruined this area. The police department is falling apart, the have more leaving than joining.

The number of officers in the “drop” program is at an all time high which means they can retire anytime but must leave within 3 years.

When you can personally be sued for arresting someone who can claim anything they can’t do their job. They don’t want to do their job and they won’t.

The leadership of the police department is all political and Manger was the worst at it.

People don’t realize how few officers are on a shift. If they knew how many were working at one time they would be shocked and it is only going to get worse.

The attrition is police departments is a national problem not a MoCo specific. MoCo pays a smidge more than surrounding counties so doesn’t have it quite as bad as some other places. And the DROP program actually incentivized officers to stay a few more years — those officers all would have retired sooner if not for the DROP.
The police problem is a national one and one I’m not sure there’s an immediate fix for. Higher wages, better training are part of it but won’t come close to solving the problem. Gun control would also help a lot, as right now who wants to be the one serving a warrant on someone who may have a arsenal like a small country behind the door? But we know gun control is basically a non-starter in this country, so here we are.

Councilmembers like Jawando demonizing police doesn't help. MCPD has in general been quite professional. Officer-involved shootings were sent to an independent prosecutor (Howard County) for years. Now people are protesting shootings where the officers are found innocent, like the case where a man in Silver Spring lunged at the office with a knife.

I can understand why morale is low and no one wants to be a cop with working conditions like that. The pay and benefits are decent, but why not get some other job, even if it pays a little less, and not have to deal with being second-guessed on every split-second decision you make?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Established in 1973, GAP is a high-intensity, structured group home in Bethesda Maryland, serving males aged 12-20 who have experienced physical and emotional abuse, neglect, sex and human trafficking, or involvement with the juvenile justice system. The youth who are placed through the Maryland Department of Social Services or the Department of Juvenile Services receive individual and group therapy, trauma informed, positive youth development, life skills development, educational services, pro-social recreation activities, and comprehensive health services. In addition, these youth receive 24-hour residential care and supportive services that focus on family permanency and community reintegration.

https://nccf-cares.org/youth/

This is just fancy language for a partial care psychiatric facility for adolescents involved in the criminal justice and foster care systems.

It’s fancy for sexually molested and rape victims.

It's fancy for " involvement with the juvenile justice system," which is a euphemism for juveniles whose crimes are serious or extensive enough to get them removed from home and placed in a facility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whitman parents showing their true colors. We are inclusive and welcome all except………………….

I am embarrassed to be a graduate of that place.

Except what? Undereducated drug-addled robbers and murderers? Yeah: they're not welcome.

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The IFC team works with children from the District of Columbia who have been removed from their birth parents and placed in licensed foster homes in Maryland. The children we serve may have been left home alone or lived in deplorable home conditions; are coping with educational delays and medical neglect; many have been physically or sexually abused, and/or left with unwilling caregivers. Some children have witnessed their parents struggling with drug dependency, domestic violence, or serious emotional limitations that affect their ability to parent safely.

https://nccf-cares.org/foster-care-adoption/

This is so upsetting. The three kids charged with the crime probably never had a decent shot at a decent life. That doesn't excuse their actions, but my god the way we manage our most vulnerable kids in this country is beyond fcked. What chance do they really have?

Someone was murdered and your first reaction is to express sympathy for the murderers?

You lack critical thinking and nuance. I'm sorry you don't see this as an indictment of our youth foster care system. These are teens who don't even have a completely formed frontal lobe yet. That mixed with childhood neglect and trauma -- this is how we end up with the prison industrial complex we have today.

That doesn't mean that they don't know right from wrong or that they shouldn't be punished, but please enjoy your indignation.

99.9% of kids who are in youth foster care do not become murderers. Your viewpoint is one in the same as just considering these kids unredeemable.

No, they aren't unredeemable at all. But they can become that way when they're tossed aside after a traumatic early childhood and then viewed as interlopers in the community where they live (see also: posts in this thread).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Established in 1973, GAP is a high-intensity, structured group home in Bethesda Maryland, serving males aged 12-20 who have experienced physical and emotional abuse, neglect, sex and human trafficking, or involvement with the juvenile justice system. The youth who are placed through the Maryland Department of Social Services or the Department of Juvenile Services receive individual and group therapy, trauma informed, positive youth development, life skills development, educational services, pro-social recreation activities, and comprehensive health services. In addition, these youth receive 24-hour residential care and supportive services that focus on family permanency and community reintegration.

https://nccf-cares.org/youth/

This is just fancy language for a partial care psychiatric facility for adolescents involved in the criminal justice and foster care systems.

It’s fancy for sexually molested and rape victims.

It's fancy for " involvement with the juvenile justice system," which is a euphemism for juveniles whose crimes are serious or extensive enough to get them removed from home and placed in a facility.

No. Sometimes the kids are highly vulnerable but have committed no crimes themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The county council and state politicians have ruined this area. The police department is falling apart, the have more leaving than joining.

The number of officers in the “drop” program is at an all time high which means they can retire anytime but must leave within 3 years.

When you can personally be sued for arresting someone who can claim anything they can’t do their job. They don’t want to do their job and they won’t.

The leadership of the police department is all political and Manger was the worst at it.

People don’t realize how few officers are on a shift. If they knew how many were working at one time they would be shocked and it is only going to get worse.

The attrition is police departments is a national problem not a MoCo specific. MoCo pays a smidge more than surrounding counties so doesn’t have it quite as bad as some other places. And the DROP program actually incentivized officers to stay a few more years — those officers all would have retired sooner if not for the DROP.
The police problem is a national one and one I’m not sure there’s an immediate fix for. Higher wages, better training are part of it but won’t come close to solving the problem. Gun control would also help a lot, as right now who wants to be the one serving a warrant on someone who may have a arsenal like a small country behind the door? But we know gun control is basically a non-starter in this country, so here we are.

Police attrition is a national problem but MoCo was largely shielded from that because it had a stellar reputation. Not that political leadership hates cops and refuses to support even good policing, most recent candidates won’t apply here.

And MoCo police have one of the lowest starting salaries in the region. In a high cost of living county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whitman parents showing their true colors. We are inclusive and welcome all except………………….

I am embarrassed to be a graduate of that place.

Except what? Undereducated drug-addled robbers and murderers? Yeah: they're not welcome.

If this year hasn't been a lesson in the dangers of pretending violent offenders just need to have a good meal and hug it out, I don't know what else it's been.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Established in 1973, GAP is a high-intensity, structured group home in Bethesda Maryland, serving males aged 12-20 who have experienced physical and emotional abuse, neglect, sex and human trafficking, or involvement with the juvenile justice system. The youth who are placed through the Maryland Department of Social Services or the Department of Juvenile Services receive individual and group therapy, trauma informed, positive youth development, life skills development, educational services, pro-social recreation activities, and comprehensive health services. In addition, these youth receive 24-hour residential care and supportive services that focus on family permanency and community reintegration.

https://nccf-cares.org/youth/

This is just fancy language for a partial care psychiatric facility for adolescents involved in the criminal justice and foster care systems.

It’s fancy for sexually molested and rape victims.

of course it could be both.

It's primarily a program for adolescent boys from DC who have been involved in the criminal justice system and who have been removed from parental care. While boys can certainly be sexually assaulted, they typically end up at NCCF for other reasons. Many have previously been in foster care, like the 18 year old involved in the murder.

Why import these future felons into MoCo?

the whole point of the program is to help steer them away from becoming felons and give them more educational opportunities.

Appears to be working brilliantly.

Given the program has been around since 1973 and this is the worst thing that has occurred in that time, yes, I expect it does for the most part work as it should. This is a monumental fail and it is heart-breaking on several levels.

My issue is this: we have enough at-risk youth in this county who need our support, the idea that we should be importing these kids from DC is ridiculous and needs to be stopped immediately.

If NCCF is receiving county funds to import troubled kids from DC, instead of supporting county residents then that should be a massive scandal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Established in 1973, GAP is a high-intensity, structured group home in Bethesda Maryland, serving males aged 12-20 who have experienced physical and emotional abuse, neglect, sex and human trafficking, or involvement with the juvenile justice system. The youth who are placed through the Maryland Department of Social Services or the Department of Juvenile Services receive individual and group therapy, trauma informed, positive youth development, life skills development, educational services, pro-social recreation activities, and comprehensive health services. In addition, these youth receive 24-hour residential care and supportive services that focus on family permanency and community reintegration.

https://nccf-cares.org/youth/

This is just fancy language for a partial care psychiatric facility for adolescents involved in the criminal justice and foster care systems.

It’s fancy for sexually molested and rape victims.

of course it could be both.

It's primarily a program for adolescent boys from DC who have been involved in the criminal justice system and who have been removed from parental care. While boys can certainly be sexually assaulted, they typically end up at NCCF for other reasons. Many have previously been in foster care, like the 18 year old involved in the murder.

Why import these future felons into MoCo?

the whole point of the program is to help steer them away from becoming felons and give them more educational opportunities.

Appears to be working brilliantly.

Given the program has been around since 1973 and this is the worst thing that has occurred in that time, yes, I expect it does for the most part work as it should. This is a monumental fail and it is heart-breaking on several levels.

Given that the program has been around since 1973 perhaps there is some data on actual outcomes to understand if it works? If not your post is also equally conjecture.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Established in 1973, GAP is a high-intensity, structured group home in Bethesda Maryland, serving males aged 12-20 who have experienced physical and emotional abuse, neglect, sex and human trafficking, or involvement with the juvenile justice system. The youth who are placed through the Maryland Department of Social Services or the Department of Juvenile Services receive individual and group therapy, trauma informed, positive youth development, life skills development, educational services, pro-social recreation activities, and comprehensive health services. In addition, these youth receive 24-hour residential care and supportive services that focus on family permanency and community reintegration.

https://nccf-cares.org/youth/

This is just fancy language for a partial care psychiatric facility for adolescents involved in the criminal justice and foster care systems.

It’s fancy for sexually molested and rape victims.

of course it could be both.

It's primarily a program for adolescent boys from DC who have been involved in the criminal justice system and who have been removed from parental care. While boys can certainly be sexually assaulted, they typically end up at NCCF for other reasons. Many have previously been in foster care, like the 18 year old involved in the murder.

Why import these future felons into MoCo?

the whole point of the program is to help steer them away from becoming felons and give them more educational opportunities.

Appears to be working brilliantly.

Given the program has been around since 1973 and this is the worst thing that has occurred in that time, yes, I expect it does for the most part work as it should. This is a monumental fail and it is heart-breaking on several levels.

Given that the program has been around since 1973 perhaps there is some data on actual outcomes to understand if it works? If not your post is also equally conjecture.

you're welcome to do any research you like into that data and then you can share it with us and give us your full assessment, of the program, this homicide, hell you can even comment on my cooking if you're so inclined.