Bethesda homicide

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all make is sound like Whitman never has a problem. It is just like all the other schools, stop denying it, stop trying to pin it all on the kids who are not as fortunate as your kids.

When it does involve a white Whitman kid or coach the parents and students try to justify it, The Smoothie King robbery was "blown out of proportion" The kids that blew themselves up was " a prank" or the parents who complained during the drug busts on the hill. It is the culture of the parents at that school who only push back when the kids causing trouble don't look like them.

Wrong. You can not blame this on racism and make insubstiated claims. Where is your proof?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all act like Whitman students in general don’t have a murder every few years.

Please cite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all make is sound like Whitman never has a problem. It is just like all the other schools, stop denying it, stop trying to pin it all on the kids who are not as fortunate as your kids.

When it does involve a white Whitman kid or coach the parents and students try to justify it, The Smoothie King robbery was "blown out of proportion" The kids that blew themselves up was " a prank" or the parents who complained during the drug busts on the hill. It is the culture of the parents at that school who only push back when the kids causing trouble don't look like them.

Absurdly tiresome to have to deal with people like you who read racism into absolutely everything. You’re a big part of the reason why this country is on a downward spiral.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live less than two blocks from Greentree and used to volunteer at this organization. They do a lot of good and I think the center has offered up some good suggestions of ways to help. Think about how much teens in MCPS in general are struggling, and the uptick in violence even among those students who have stable home lives and who aren't living in a new environment away from family where they likely feel like a fish out of water. There's a big divide between the background and advantages of a typical child who finds themselves needing to live at Greentree and the typical Whitman teen. This letter is less about the three teens implicated in this murder, and more about ways to help all the other kids, staff and families there who would benefit from support. I like the ideas of helping expand their extracurricular options, educate the kids there about possible careers or write a letter to staff or residents of Greentree. I'm not as comfortable with the in-person, eating oriented activity they suggested because of covid, but there are lots of other ways to help if someone is inclined to do so and/or has a special skill set or connections. You can be horrified by these specific individuals and the murder, and still want to help the other children there.

Well glad that you feel safe, but I live in close proximity and don’t. This murder has destroyed the entire premise of the GAP program, that giving kids therapy and putting them in a different environment would make a positive difference. In anything, what most likely happened is that the program induced this outcome by putting two impressionable kids in close contact with a third who seems to have been the ring leader and a sociopath. It’s hard to argue that they would not have been better off staying wherever they were. And it’s hard to argue that whatever NCCF was doing programmatically was not only ineffective but failed miserably.

Before I would ever entertain a suggestion from this group about providing them any support I want to hear from them about why they failed these kids and how they are and will change to prevent this from happening in the future.

If they cannot address that then they should just shut down because there is no point.

Since you live so close, do you plan to move? Do you expect this this effect your property value?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all make is sound like Whitman never has a problem. It is just like all the other schools, stop denying it, stop trying to pin it all on the kids who are not as fortunate as your kids.

When it does involve a white Whitman kid or coach the parents and students try to justify it, The Smoothie King robbery was "blown out of proportion" The kids that blew themselves up was " a prank" or the parents who complained during the drug busts on the hill. It is the culture of the parents at that school who only push back when the kids causing trouble don't look like them.

Absurdly tiresome to have to deal with people like you who read racism into absolutely everything. You’re a big part of the reason why this country is on a downward spiral.

Agreed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live less than two blocks from Greentree and used to volunteer at this organization. They do a lot of good and I think the center has offered up some good suggestions of ways to help. Think about how much teens in MCPS in general are struggling, and the uptick in violence even among those students who have stable home lives and who aren't living in a new environment away from family where they likely feel like a fish out of water. There's a big divide between the background and advantages of a typical child who finds themselves needing to live at Greentree and the typical Whitman teen.

Sounds like you're suggesting they should be placed in another school district as being placed in the Whitman district is too much of an adjustment for them.

Why not have school at the facility. It seems that they would be better off having their particular educational needs met on-site alongside the therapeutic and clinical staff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live less than two blocks from Greentree and used to volunteer at this organization. They do a lot of good and I think the center has offered up some good suggestions of ways to help. Think about how much teens in MCPS in general are struggling, and the uptick in violence even among those students who have stable home lives and who aren't living in a new environment away from family where they likely feel like a fish out of water. There's a big divide between the background and advantages of a typical child who finds themselves needing to live at Greentree and the typical Whitman teen.

Sounds like you're suggesting they should be placed in another school district as being placed in the Whitman district is too much of an adjustment for them.

DP Obviously it is too big a step for these kids. Typical DC behavior to export its problems to the suburbs.

I would be much more understanding and supportive of NCCF if they were supporting at risk MC kids. The idea that they are importing these kids from outside the county really bothers me in so many levels. First, it treats the kids like they are some sort of commodity. But second, this organization received millions upon millions from the state and county. They should serve the kids in our community first.

Clearly they have a problem with their priorities which carry’s over into their operational failings. They failed these kids. This murder is on them.

The kids who live with their crack addicted mom's in Bethesda and are at risk of rape from her johns? No I don't think you'll find many of those.

You seem like someone who has a hard time understanding the basics of geography. Our community is Montgomery County. It is a big county with over 1 million people. Within that 1 million people there are plenty of kids who need support and our tax dollars should be prioritized to supporting them. Our tax dollars should not be used to support importing troubled DC teens.

Ah ok I see the problem here. You don't understand one of the basic tenets of the program itself. Not all the kids are from DC some are from Baltimore. The point is to remove them so completely from the environment they've been in, that it no longer causes them suffering and that influence is removed. It's not just a bus ride of 5 mins from Bethesda to Baltimore or from Bethesda to SE DC. That is the point. If you need to deal with MoCo kids in similar circumstances they are equally likely to be sent elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

A facility like that should be in the mountains of Western Maryland.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live less than two blocks from Greentree and used to volunteer at this organization. They do a lot of good and I think the center has offered up some good suggestions of ways to help. Think about how much teens in MCPS in general are struggling, and the uptick in violence even among those students who have stable home lives and who aren't living in a new environment away from family where they likely feel like a fish out of water. There's a big divide between the background and advantages of a typical child who finds themselves needing to live at Greentree and the typical Whitman teen.

Sounds like you're suggesting they should be placed in another school district as being placed in the Whitman district is too much of an adjustment for them.

DP Obviously it is too big a step for these kids. Typical DC behavior to export its problems to the suburbs.

I would be much more understanding and supportive of NCCF if they were supporting at risk MC kids. The idea that they are importing these kids from outside the county really bothers me in so many levels. First, it treats the kids like they are some sort of commodity. But second, this organization received millions upon millions from the state and county. They should serve the kids in our community first.

Clearly they have a problem with their priorities which carry’s over into their operational failings. They failed these kids. This murder is on them.

The kids who live with their crack addicted mom's in Bethesda and are at risk of rape from her johns? No I don't think you'll find many of those.

You seem like someone who has a hard time understanding the basics of geography. Our community is Montgomery County. It is a big county with over 1 million people. Within that 1 million people there are plenty of kids who need support and our tax dollars should be prioritized to supporting them. Our tax dollars should not be used to support importing troubled DC teens.

Ah ok I see the problem here. You don't understand one of the basic tenets of the program itself. Not all the kids are from DC some are from Baltimore. The point is to remove them so completely from the environment they've been in, that it no longer causes them suffering and that influence is removed. It's not just a bus ride of 5 mins from Bethesda to Baltimore or from Bethesda to SE DC. That is the point. If you need to deal with MoCo kids in similar circumstances they are equally likely to be sent elsewhere.

That was a great premise; but, Bethesda has changed. It no longer allows for the rehabilitative removal from an urban environment. The program should be moed elsewhere to fulfill its intended mission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all make is sound like Whitman never has a problem. It is just like all the other schools, stop denying it, stop trying to pin it all on the kids who are not as fortunate as your kids.

When it does involve a white Whitman kid or coach the parents and students try to justify it, The Smoothie King robbery was "blown out of proportion" The kids that blew themselves up was " a prank" or the parents who complained during the drug busts on the hill. It is the culture of the parents at that school who only push back when the kids causing trouble don't look like them.

Link? But really, you are not an ally to NCCF residents by deflecting responsibility for their failures from the facility administration. This incident lies squarely on them snd should be publicly transparent regarding this murder and other matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How are they allowed to wander the area unsupervised?

They aren't parolees.

Do you hear yourself?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How are they allowed to wander the area unsupervised?

They aren't parolees.

Do you hear yourself?

But they are not adults either. They are children who clearly needed supervision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are they allowed to wander the area unsupervised?

They aren't parolees.

Do you hear yourself?

You don't know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are they allowed to wander the area unsupervised?

They aren't parolees.

Do you hear yourself?

Sure about that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are they allowed to wander the area unsupervised?

They aren't parolees.

Do you hear yourself?

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I am confused. nCCF and some posters said thiese kids were kept in the facility to be away from bad influence or environment. Does that mean these kids hade not made any trouble but adjacent to trouble makers?