If your church's doctrine says homosexuality is a sin, but your DC is gay

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Anonymous wrote:If someone could screenshot or link to where it says in the Bible that 2 people of same gender in love are going to hell I would appreciate it.

Minister here. It doesn’t exist.

I must have a different version of the bible.

eviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13

The Book of Leviticus in the Old Testament has two references condemning homosexuality: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

There's more in there.

yes in this part of the Bible they are talking to the Jews, the chosen ones, about how to live their life. Leviticus also says not to eat shrimp and pork but I don’t see anyone up in arms about that. It’s literally the same section of the Bible.

this us correct. No idea why Christian’s bring up Leviticus. It’s for the Jewish.

Yep. Jesus made a point of saying his followers didn’t need to follow all the older rules, mostly they just need to love each other and love God.

Romans 1:26-27
Acts 15:29

Jesus said to love one another, he didn't say only love the opposite sex.

Um, he meant platonically. You cannot be serious.

Sexually, he instructed we should be celibate, but if we cannot, we should "marry."

So as long as gay couples marry, they shouldn't be going against church doctrine. Got it.

No. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong and there is no gay marriage in the Bible. For example, read Romans 1:26-27 and 32. That's post-Jesus too.

The Bible is totally clear that homosexuality is a sin. Even after Jesus came. It's irrefutable.

But, Jesus said we should not judge others, and the Bible says you break one commandment you break them all. In short, we are ALL sinners, including church goers, so we shouldn't judge other people's sin. We need to keep the focus on ourselves.

Romans are Paul’s letters, this isn’t from Jesus. Many don’t regard Paul the same way as Jesus.

Who gave you authority higher than the author of Romans? Or who do you know who proclaims it to be blasphemy? Stop woman

Paul, a fallible human man, was writing LETTERS directed to specific people at a specific moment in history (the world was also flat then, BTW).

I am not an Ephesian, a Phillipian or a Corinthian. Use the brain God gave you, woman/man.

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Anonymous wrote:If someone could screenshot or link to where it says in the Bible that 2 people of same gender in love are going to hell I would appreciate it.

Minister here. It doesn’t exist.

I must have a different version of the bible.

eviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13

The Book of Leviticus in the Old Testament has two references condemning homosexuality: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

There's more in there.

yes in this part of the Bible they are talking to the Jews, the chosen ones, about how to live their life. Leviticus also says not to eat shrimp and pork but I don’t see anyone up in arms about that. It’s literally the same section of the Bible.

this us correct. No idea why Christian’s bring up Leviticus. It’s for the Jewish.

Yep. Jesus made a point of saying his followers didn’t need to follow all the older rules, mostly they just need to love each other and love God.

Romans 1:26-27
Acts 15:29

Jesus said to love one another, he didn't say only love the opposite sex.

Um, he meant platonically. You cannot be serious.

Sexually, he instructed we should be celibate, but if we cannot, we should "marry."

So gay people get married and have sex. Nonexistent “problem” solved. Next!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m gay. My parents chose religion over me.

I didn’t see them for 10 years (their choice) and then we slowly started seeing each other again as they aged and their health waned.

And by slowly I mean once a year for a long weekend where my wife, kids, and I stay at a nearby hotel and never their house.

They FaceTime my kids on Xmas and their bdays.

They still end every interaction with “we will be praying for you”.

My wife’s family is amazing! And they are also religious but found a church that was LGBTQ friendly when she came out in HS.

That's so unfortunate and disheartening that your parents chose religion over you. This really breaks my heart and infuriates me. I can't imagine choosing religion over my child. I truly hope and pray that your parents will erase the hatred in their hearts.

I am happy that your in-laws are accepting and love you unconditionally. Your in-laws sound like awesome and caring people. The fact that they found a LGBTQ friendly church while your wife was in high school speaks volumes about their commitment to family and placing their child first. It's great that you have their support.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving a church means leaving more than the church - it means leaving a social network and support system. It's not like walking down the street and joining another church is going to bring that back.

I don't believe evangelicals are known for supporting the gray community. Neither are MAGA Catholics.

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Seems easy to me.

My parents view all premarital sex as a sin. They know I live with my GF and still love me.

No need for them to leave their church just because they don't support what I do.

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Anonymous wrote:I belong to a church that believes lying is a sin. I have a teenager who lies sometimes. He still knows that I love and accept him even if I don’t approve of everything he does.

How is this different?

This is seriously fuked up thinking. I can’t even believe I just read it. Lying is something you do. Bring gay is your sexual identity. Lying is a choice. Your sexuality is not. If you are a member of a church that teaches homosexuality is a “sin”, you’re in a cult. Not a church. If you attend a church like that and have a gay child, you don’t deserve to be a parent. *Jesus wept.

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Anonymous wrote:What brand of church is gay friendly?

Episcopalian.

Episcopalians for sure. Some Presbyterian (I think they’re called “Bright light” congregations?) and Methodist denominations as well. There may be more, this isn’t something I’ve researched intensively, but I know these for sure.

Some baptist churches too; varies by congregation.

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Regardless of your choice, remind your child that God loves them no matter what and this is why we need Jesus every day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m gay. My parents chose religion over me.

I didn’t see them for 10 years (their choice) and then we slowly started seeing each other again as they aged and their health waned.

And by slowly I mean once a year for a long weekend where my wife, kids, and I stay at a nearby hotel and never their house.

They FaceTime my kids on Xmas and their bdays.

They still end every interaction with “we will be praying for you”.

My wife’s family is amazing! And they are also religious but found a church that was LGBTQ friendly when she came out in HS.

That's so unfortunate and disheartening that your parents chose religion over you. This really breaks my heart and infuriates me. I can't imagine choosing religion over my child. I truly hope and pray that your parents will erase the hatred in their hearts.

I am happy that your in-laws are accepting and love you unconditionally. Your in-laws sound like awesome and caring people. The fact that they found a LGBTQ friendly church while your wife was in high school speaks volumes about their commitment to family and placing their child first. It's great that you have their support.

What do mean "they chose religion over you?" Did they shun you or treat you poorly? Or did they just continue participating in a religion that they cared about? Loving your child does not mean agreeing with or promoting everything that they choose. You will find this out yourself when your kids are older and autonomous. (Unconditional love does not equal unconditional agreement.). But I hope that you were treated well.

Use your adult dialectic. People can love their gay children (or children doing anything else that they disagree with) AND believe in a religion that tells them those things are wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m gay. My parents chose religion over me.

I didn’t see them for 10 years (their choice) and then we slowly started seeing each other again as they aged and their health waned.

And by slowly I mean once a year for a long weekend where my wife, kids, and I stay at a nearby hotel and never their house.

They FaceTime my kids on Xmas and their bdays.

They still end every interaction with “we will be praying for you”.

My wife’s family is amazing! And they are also religious but found a church that was LGBTQ friendly when she came out in HS.

That's so unfortunate and disheartening that your parents chose religion over you. This really breaks my heart and infuriates me. I can't imagine choosing religion over my child. I truly hope and pray that your parents will erase the hatred in their hearts.

I am happy that your in-laws are accepting and love you unconditionally. Your in-laws sound like awesome and caring people. The fact that they found a LGBTQ friendly church while your wife was in high school speaks volumes about their commitment to family and placing their child first. It's great that you have their support.

What do mean "they chose religion over you?" Did they shun you or treat you poorly? Or did they just continue participating in a religion that they cared about? Loving your child does not mean agreeing with or promoting everything that they choose. You will find this out yourself when your kids are older and autonomous. (Unconditional love does not equal unconditional agreement.). But I hope that you were treated well.

Use your adult dialectic. People can love their gay children (or children doing anything else that they disagree with) AND believe in a religion that tells them those things are wrong.

. Forgot to say, kind of like God loves all of us even though we constantly go against his teachings.

[Anonymous]

There’s no way around it. Leviticus says homosexuality is an abomination. One of the many joys of atheism is that we don’t have to reconcile the Bible with the world as we want it to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving a church means leaving more than the church - it means leaving a social network and support system. It's not like walking down the street and joining another church is going to bring that back.

I don't believe evangelicals are known for supporting the gray community. Neither are MAGA Catholics.

I question whether either are actually Christians!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leaving a church means leaving more than the church - it means leaving a social network and support system. It's not like walking down the street and joining another church is going to bring that back.

I don't believe evangelicals are known for supporting the gray community. Neither are MAGA Catholics.

I question whether either are actually Christians!

Yes, they are Christians and yes, Leviticus says homosexuality is an abomination. This is one of the many reasons atheism makes so much sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leaving a church means leaving more than the church - it means leaving a social network and support system. It's not like walking down the street and joining another church is going to bring that back.

I don't believe evangelicals are known for supporting the gray community. Neither are MAGA Catholics.

I question whether either are actually Christians!

Yes, they are Christians and yes, Leviticus says homosexuality is an abomination. This is one of the many reasons atheism makes so much sense.

Not all translations of Leviticus say homosexuality is an abomination

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m gay. My parents chose religion over me.

I didn’t see them for 10 years (their choice) and then we slowly started seeing each other again as they aged and their health waned.

And by slowly I mean once a year for a long weekend where my wife, kids, and I stay at a nearby hotel and never their house.

They FaceTime my kids on Xmas and their bdays.

They still end every interaction with “we will be praying for you”.

My wife’s family is amazing! And they are also religious but found a church that was LGBTQ friendly when she came out in HS.

That's so unfortunate and disheartening that your parents chose religion over you. This really breaks my heart and infuriates me. I can't imagine choosing religion over my child. I truly hope and pray that your parents will erase the hatred in their hearts.

I am happy that your in-laws are accepting and love you unconditionally. Your in-laws sound like awesome and caring people. The fact that they found a LGBTQ friendly church while your wife was in high school speaks volumes about their commitment to family and placing their child first. It's great that you have their support.

What do mean "they chose religion over you?" Did they shun you or treat you poorly? Or did they just continue participating in a religion that they cared about? Loving your child does not mean agreeing with or promoting everything that they choose. You will find this out yourself when your kids are older and autonomous. (Unconditional love does not equal unconditional agreement.). But I hope that you were treated well.

Use your adult dialectic. People can love their gay children (or children doing anything else that they disagree with) AND believe in a religion that tells them those things are wrong.

. Forgot to say, kind of like God loves all of us even though we constantly go against his teachings.

His teachings¿ What book did God write? The bible was written by uneducated, primitive men thousands of years ago, edited and translated by primitive men hundreds of years and used for political purposes, currently scammers use it to extract millions from unsuspecting rubes.. Don't blame God for that book.