Got reported to child protection service

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe no one in this thread has told the OP not to talk to CPS. At least, not without a lawyer present, and certainly don't agree to a home visit/inspection.

I did. Then a CPS worker said it's not necessary

If you get an attorney involved, they will have to get an attorney and it will draw out the process and make it more confrontative. The CPS worker cannot talk to OP and an attorney without a county attorney and possibly a supervisor involved. OP just needs to talk to them, be honest, get the child cleared by the doctor and don't do it anymore.

She admits to years of abusing her children and the right to continue to abuse them. You really think she doesn't need to at least speak to an attorney?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, if it was coming the daycare is still being ignorant and insensitive to culture.

OP should have explained. How on earth is someone expected to know what cupping and coining is if they are not from that culture?

Maybe someone like you should not be culturally ignorant. I knew exactly what it was from how OP described it. It was appropriate for the day care to call it in and speak to OP about it. Most people in the US know what cupping is but this isn't cupping. You don't do cupping on very young kids.

You seem to be ignorant pretending that everyone should know about your strange practices. This is a civilized country in case you didn’t realize it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is op. I did not know what that calls in English, and I google up, and yes, I did "coining". I was worried and left a message for the regular pediatrician to tell her what has happened and what I did. My kid does not take any herbal medicine and broths that I boiled for hours. I have not got any call from CPS, and I have learned my lesson. But you know what, coining does help to improve better health.

OP your pediatrician is a mandated reporter too. If the pediatrician disagrees with your cultural practices you will now have multiple people reporting you. You really need a lawyer. You can lose your kids this way.

OP is almost certainly not going to lose her kids over this one incident. CPS is loathe to remove kids from custody, well beyond the point when they should.

That said, OP, please don’t do this again. You can’t deliberately and repeatedly bruise your kids in this country, regardless of your personal cultural beliefs.

Absolutely she can. CPS can determine that because she insists on performing this abusive act and doesn't see it as abusive, they can make the determination to remove the children. The OP is now calling more mandated reporters to likely get her reported again. CPS has a ton of power. Anyone that deals with CPS knows that you take them 100% seriously.

Having been a CPS worker, I had one family who engaged in coining but those kids were not in care because of the coining but because of mental health and substance abuse as well as severe neglect. The mom wasn't able to care for the kids. These kind of things get called in regularly. They are no abusive in and of itself. Stop being dramatic. It was appropriate for the day care to call but more than likely, worst case CPS will come in, talk to her, do a safety plan and help her understand why not to do it (but she can tell the worker she didn't know and has since spoken to others who explained its not an ok practice here) and then do a follow up visit or two. It would be very unlikely that CPS would provide ongoing services and even less likely to remove a child over this.

OP made a mistake. It is a well known cultural practice in some parts of Asia. Stop scaring them when its probably just ruled out. If CPS was going to remove or really concerned they would have come same day/next day. We live in a very diverse area.

At no time has the OP stated that it was a mistake. The OP is insisting that it is a part of her culture. If she continues down this path how would you handle it in CPS? Allow the child to continue to be bruised?

It is part of her culture.

Female genital cutting is also a part of some cultures. I guess CPS should allow that as well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe no one in this thread has told the OP not to talk to CPS. At least, not without a lawyer present, and certainly don't agree to a home visit/inspection.

I did. Then a CPS worker said it's not necessary

If you get an attorney involved, they will have to get an attorney and it will draw out the process and make it more confrontative. The CPS worker cannot talk to OP and an attorney without a county attorney and possibly a supervisor involved. OP just needs to talk to them, be honest, get the child cleared by the doctor and don't do it anymore.

She admits to years of abusing her children and the right to continue to abuse them. You really think she doesn't need to at least speak to an attorney?

This isn't years of abusing a child. Be real. Stop being dramatic about it. Clearly CPS didn't see it as a high priority or they would have been out there by tonight. No, I don't think she needs to speak to an attorney. She should take her child to the doctor tomorrow morning to look at it and fix what every is ailing the child and talk to the worker and apologize and don't do it again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is op. I did not know what that calls in English, and I google up, and yes, I did "coining". I was worried and left a message for the regular pediatrician to tell her what has happened and what I did. My kid does not take any herbal medicine and broths that I boiled for hours. I have not got any call from CPS, and I have learned my lesson. But you know what, coining does help to improve better health.

OP your pediatrician is a mandated reporter too. If the pediatrician disagrees with your cultural practices you will now have multiple people reporting you. You really need a lawyer. You can lose your kids this way.

OP is almost certainly not going to lose her kids over this one incident. CPS is loathe to remove kids from custody, well beyond the point when they should.

That said, OP, please don’t do this again. You can’t deliberately and repeatedly bruise your kids in this country, regardless of your personal cultural beliefs.

Absolutely she can. CPS can determine that because she insists on performing this abusive act and doesn't see it as abusive, they can make the determination to remove the children. The OP is now calling more mandated reporters to likely get her reported again. CPS has a ton of power. Anyone that deals with CPS knows that you take them 100% seriously.

Having been a CPS worker, I had one family who engaged in coining but those kids were not in care because of the coining but because of mental health and substance abuse as well as severe neglect. The mom wasn't able to care for the kids. These kind of things get called in regularly. They are no abusive in and of itself. Stop being dramatic. It was appropriate for the day care to call but more than likely, worst case CPS will come in, talk to her, do a safety plan and help her understand why not to do it (but she can tell the worker she didn't know and has since spoken to others who explained its not an ok practice here) and then do a follow up visit or two. It would be very unlikely that CPS would provide ongoing services and even less likely to remove a child over this.

OP made a mistake. It is a well known cultural practice in some parts of Asia. Stop scaring them when its probably just ruled out. If CPS was going to remove or really concerned they would have come same day/next day. We live in a very diverse area.

At no time has the OP stated that it was a mistake. The OP is insisting that it is a part of her culture. If she continues down this path how would you handle it in CPS? Allow the child to continue to be bruised?

It is part of her culture.

Female genital cutting is also a part of some cultures. I guess CPS should allow that as well?

Stick to the topic. Its not done here and that would be CPS involvement.

[Anonymous]

Asian here. OP, I can't believe you did that and came here to post about it. They are not from your country nor your culture. They don't understand. They think it's voodoo, and they will crucify you.

Every time I hear about something like this, I always think, how dumb or ignorant can you be to do it here in America. Any sign of bruises on a kid will be reported, and it's not really worth the trouble to do it.

Stop doing it on a kid. Adult only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, if it was coming the daycare is still being ignorant and insensitive to culture.

OP should have explained. How on earth is someone expected to know what cupping and coining is if they are not from that culture?

Maybe someone like you should not be culturally ignorant. I knew exactly what it was from how OP described it. It was appropriate for the day care to call it in and speak to OP about it. Most people in the US know what cupping is but this isn't cupping. You don't do cupping on very young kids.

You seem to be ignorant pretending that everyone should know about your strange practices. This is a civilized country in case you didn’t realize it.

Yes, you should know. Its similar to acupuncture and cupping in some cultures. Its cultural competency 101.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, if it was coming the daycare is still being ignorant and insensitive to culture.

OP should have explained. How on earth is someone expected to know what cupping and coining is if they are not from that culture?

Maybe someone like you should not be culturally ignorant. I knew exactly what it was from how OP described it. It was appropriate for the day care to call it in and speak to OP about it. Most people in the US know what cupping is but this isn't cupping. You don't do cupping on very young kids.

You seem to be ignorant pretending that everyone should know about your strange practices. This is a civilized country in case you didn’t realize it.

Yes, you should know. Its similar to acupuncture and cupping in some cultures. Its cultural competency 101.

It doesn't matter what the cultural context is. under the law, the daycare should report it. Not their place to assess the cultural, medical, or other context. It is, however, their legal obligation to report bruising like OP describes regardless of the cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian here. OP, I can't believe you did that and came here to post about it. They are not from your country nor your culture. They don't understand. They think it's voodoo, and they will crucify you.

Every time I hear about something like this, I always think, how dumb or ignorant can you be to do it here in America. Any sign of bruises on a kid will be reported, and it's not really worth the trouble to do it.

Stop doing it on a kid. Adult only.

Even if they know what it is, they will report it because of the type of bruising.

[Anonymous]

Cupping/coining kids is similar to infant male circumcision or piercing babies' ears in that they all fall under procedures that are unnecessary/ mildly barbaric/ cultural.
I personally would choose to do none but obviously everyone is entitled to their own thoughts about these.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe no one in this thread has told the OP not to talk to CPS. At least, not without a lawyer present, and certainly don't agree to a home visit/inspection.

I did. Then a CPS worker said it's not necessary

If you get an attorney involved, they will have to get an attorney and it will draw out the process and make it more confrontative. The CPS worker cannot talk to OP and an attorney without a county attorney and possibly a supervisor involved. OP just needs to talk to them, be honest, get the child cleared by the doctor and don't do it anymore.

She admits to years of abusing her children and the right to continue to abuse them. You really think she doesn't need to at least speak to an attorney?

This isn't years of abusing a child. Be real. Stop being dramatic about it. Clearly CPS didn't see it as a high priority or they would have been out there by tonight. No, I don't think she needs to speak to an attorney. She should take her child to the doctor tomorrow morning to look at it and fix what every is ailing the child and talk to the worker and apologize and don't do it again.

Reread the thread. She literally said she's been doing this for years to all her children. Ok, so if she takes her child to the doctor and the doctor agrees that this is child abuse, what next? She is causing deep, purple bruising on the child.

[Anonymous]

OP youare in big trouble if your other kids tell the social workers you have done it to them in the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, if it was coming the daycare is still being ignorant and insensitive to culture.

OP should have explained. How on earth is someone expected to know what cupping and coining is if they are not from that culture?

Maybe someone like you should not be culturally ignorant. I knew exactly what it was from how OP described it. It was appropriate for the day care to call it in and speak to OP about it. Most people in the US know what cupping is but this isn't cupping. You don't do cupping on very young kids.

You seem to be ignorant pretending that everyone should know about your strange practices. This is a civilized country in case you didn’t realize it.

Yes, you should know. Its similar to acupuncture and cupping in some cultures. Its cultural competency 101.

Cultural Competency 101

Omg I’m laughing so hard. I would have failed that class. Never heard of coining. I guess I don’t pass your cultural litmus test.

[Anonymous]

Just to end the debate - the District of Columbia CPS manual says that the practice of coining is an abusive.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://cfsa.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/cfsa/publication/attachments/Investigations-POM_0.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiqvMv-76D0AhWcj3IEHbj6DKQQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3CoRuKQB7Io3qTKUY_L0TH

Again OP get a lawyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cupping/coining kids is similar to infant male circumcision or piercing babies' ears in that they all fall under procedures that are unnecessary/ mildly barbaric/ cultural.
I personally would choose to do none but obviously everyone is entitled to their own thoughts about these.

No it’s not.