LCPS School closed for a week

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Anonymous wrote:What is going on that week that they need so many subs?

According to my neighbor, who is a teacher, because of the weird way the days off fell that week, tons of teachers requested the whole week off.

Yes, but the were told they couldn’t have those two days off (3rd and 5th.) Why leave was granted I have no idea, it wasn’t supposed to be.

No. We recently got an email that so many people had already requested those days AND subs wouldn’t pick them up that *new* leave requests for those dates wouldn’t be approved. But ultimately they couldn’t staff it. Subs don’t work high volume days either. And you actually can’t just deny everyone leave. It’s a benefit of your job.

Eh, I think the teachers ultimately screwed themselves here. It will just become harder and harder in the future. My friend who teaches in HS said a bunch of his coworkers deliberately took leave AFTER the email as a F-U to admin. Very mature.

It’s our leave, we can do whatever we want with it.

That's not how leave works in jobs where people have to cover for you. Do you think nurses and doctors are all taking off wherever they feel like it or is there a level of coordination so that the hospital can still run?

The idea that you can just take leave whenever regardless of the impact is such entitled behavior coming from the adults that we can't expect the kids to be any better.

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This. Imagine government agencies in public facing roles just shut down like LCPS now has to do. For example, I work for the federal government and my leave is restricted the days before and after major holidays. My supervisor can say no to my leave request if there won't be enough staff left to cover.

This is why schools have SUBSTITUTES.

Exactly, one of the few jobs where they even have backups and the schools can't get it together. Seems like anyone can be a teacher or a sub. No one can do my job - if I'm off, people need to wait until I get back.

Also, complaining about teachers and their leave - they have an ENTIRE SUMMER (since you like all caps) of leave.

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Just wondering - if a teacher takes more than a certain amount of days, can we fire them? I mean - if my kid misses a certain amount of days they can be kicked out of the school or the school calls truancy officers.

Maybe teachers, like all other jobs, should learn that you work or you lose your job.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering - if a teacher takes more than a certain amount of days, can we fire them? I mean - if my kid misses a certain amount of days they can be kicked out of the school or the school calls truancy officers.

Maybe teachers, like all other jobs, should learn that you work or you lose your job.

The solution to a teacher shortage is definitely to fire teachers. Hope you're homeschooling!

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering - if a teacher takes more than a certain amount of days, can we fire them? I mean - if my kid misses a certain amount of days they can be kicked out of the school or the school calls truancy officers.

Maybe teachers, like all other jobs, should learn that you work or you lose your job.

The solution to a teacher shortage is definitely to fire teachers. Hope you're homeschooling!

Exactly what I was thinking let's berate teachers that will solve the shortage-ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering - if a teacher takes more than a certain amount of days, can we fire them? I mean - if my kid misses a certain amount of days they can be kicked out of the school or the school calls truancy officers.

Maybe teachers, like all other jobs, should learn that you work or you lose your job.

The solution to a teacher shortage is definitely to fire teachers. Hope you're homeschooling!

Exactly what I was thinking let's berate teachers that will solve the shortage-ugh.

Bullies gonna bully.

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Not to mention that teachers do not have to provide ANY documentation for sick leave unless they want to take 3 sick days in a row. It hardly matters that they only have 3 personal days a year because they can totally use sick days as personal days and no one says boo to them. Teachers at my school absolutely can and do (regularly) use sick days to go out of town for a long weekend and do not even try to hide it.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that teachers do not have to provide ANY documentation for sick leave unless they want to take 3 sick days in a row. It hardly matters that they only have 3 personal days a year because they can totally use sick days as personal days and no one says boo to them. Teachers at my school absolutely can and do (regularly) use sick days to go out of town for a long weekend and do not even try to hide it.

You’re right. We take it and enjoy it. File a lawsuit.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that teachers do not have to provide ANY documentation for sick leave unless they want to take 3 sick days in a row. It hardly matters that they only have 3 personal days a year because they can totally use sick days as personal days and no one says boo to them. Teachers at my school absolutely can and do (regularly) use sick days to go out of town for a long weekend and do not even try to hide it.

You’re right. We take it and enjoy it. File a lawsuit.

DP. I just do understand why you post things like this? This is how the teaching profession appears to parents and then we are chided when we are concerned about the impact of teacher absences. You want respect, but sound unprofessional.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that teachers do not have to provide ANY documentation for sick leave unless they want to take 3 sick days in a row. It hardly matters that they only have 3 personal days a year because they can totally use sick days as personal days and no one says boo to them. Teachers at my school absolutely can and do (regularly) use sick days to go out of town for a long weekend and do not even try to hide it.

It should all just be called PTO like everywhere else. Teachers don't have to explain themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that teachers do not have to provide ANY documentation for sick leave unless they want to take 3 sick days in a row. It hardly matters that they only have 3 personal days a year because they can totally use sick days as personal days and no one says boo to them. Teachers at my school absolutely can and do (regularly) use sick days to go out of town for a long weekend and do not even try to hide it.

You’re right. We take it and enjoy it. File a lawsuit.

DP. I just do understand why you post things like this? This is how the teaching profession appears to parents and then we are chided when we are concerned about the impact of teacher absences. You want respect, but sound unprofessional.

DP. Look to the root of the absences and try to address that.

Root:
Teachers are burned out. They have a life.

Solution:
Pay more for subs to cover teachers and give teachers more PTO. Teachers are happier. Kids have better quality subs. It's a better outcome for everyone.

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^^ and FFS stop bullying teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that teachers do not have to provide ANY documentation for sick leave unless they want to take 3 sick days in a row. It hardly matters that they only have 3 personal days a year because they can totally use sick days as personal days and no one says boo to them. Teachers at my school absolutely can and do (regularly) use sick days to go out of town for a long weekend and do not even try to hide it.

You’re right. We take it and enjoy it. File a lawsuit.

DP. I just do understand why you post things like this? This is how the teaching profession appears to parents and then we are chided when we are concerned about the impact of teacher absences. You want respect, but sound unprofessional.

DP. Look to the root of the absences and try to address that.

Root:
Teachers are burned out. They have a life.

Solution:
Pay more for subs to cover teachers and give teachers more PTO. Teachers are happier. Kids have better quality subs. It's a better outcome for everyone.

Sorry, I don't agree. Well, I agree with part of what you are saying which is that we need more support for teachers to prevent burnout, which should include the availability of qualified subs who are not simply babysitting during teacher absences. If there's not a qualified person available to step in to teach the class in a way that the kids don't suffer, then it's unprofessional to use sick leave for family vacations.

That's the way it works in other professions too. The mere existence of leave does not mean that you can take it whether you want to regardless of the consequences for your employer or client/customers, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that teachers do not have to provide ANY documentation for sick leave unless they want to take 3 sick days in a row. It hardly matters that they only have 3 personal days a year because they can totally use sick days as personal days and no one says boo to them. Teachers at my school absolutely can and do (regularly) use sick days to go out of town for a long weekend and do not even try to hide it.

You’re right. We take it and enjoy it. File a lawsuit.

DP. I just do understand why you post things like this? This is how the teaching profession appears to parents and then we are chided when we are concerned about the impact of teacher absences. You want respect, but sound unprofessional.

DP. Look to the root of the absences and try to address that.

Root:
Teachers are burned out. They have a life.

Solution:
Pay more for subs to cover teachers and give teachers more PTO. Teachers are happier. Kids have better quality subs. It's a better outcome for everyone.

Sorry, I don't agree. Well, I agree with part of what you are saying which is that we need more support for teachers to prevent burnout, which should include the availability of qualified subs who are not simply babysitting during teacher absences. If there's not a qualified person available to step in to teach the class in a way that the kids don't suffer, then it's unprofessional to use sick leave for family vacations.

I wanted to clarify the above by saying the need for greater support for teachers is a systemic problem, not the responsibility of individual teachers. When workers get burned out in any profession, the work suffers. The same is true for parents. When you are taking off or finding childcare for many school closures, work days, and grading days, it's harder to feel sympathetic when teachers take off for family vacations during the school year.

But no, it is not bullying to express concern about whether generous leave for teachers is good for kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that teachers do not have to provide ANY documentation for sick leave unless they want to take 3 sick days in a row. It hardly matters that they only have 3 personal days a year because they can totally use sick days as personal days and no one says boo to them. Teachers at my school absolutely can and do (regularly) use sick days to go out of town for a long weekend and do not even try to hide it.

You’re right. We take it and enjoy it. File a lawsuit.

DP. I just do understand why you post things like this? This is how the teaching profession appears to parents and then we are chided when we are concerned about the impact of teacher absences. You want respect, but sound unprofessional.

DP. Look to the root of the absences and try to address that.

Root:
Teachers are burned out. They have a life.

Solution:
Pay more for subs to cover teachers and give teachers more PTO. Teachers are happier. Kids have better quality subs. It's a better outcome for everyone.

Sorry, I don't agree. Well, I agree with part of what you are saying which is that we need more support for teachers to prevent burnout, which should include the availability of qualified subs who are not simply babysitting during teacher absences. If there's not a qualified person available to step in to teach the class in a way that the kids don't suffer, then it's unprofessional to use sick leave for family vacations.

That's the way it works in other professions too. The mere existence of leave does not mean that you can take it whether you want to regardless of the consequences for your employer or client/customers, etc.

Right. So pay subs more and hire a larger, more qualified pool.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that teachers do not have to provide ANY documentation for sick leave unless they want to take 3 sick days in a row. It hardly matters that they only have 3 personal days a year because they can totally use sick days as personal days and no one says boo to them. Teachers at my school absolutely can and do (regularly) use sick days to go out of town for a long weekend and do not even try to hide it.

Is that Loudoun specific?