Lebanon
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Anonymous
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Can we separate discussion of the Israel is going in Lebanon from Iran? While I know the IDF's party line that they have to attack Hezbollah (extra stress on the "z" to make them sound scary) in "defense" and that any civilian killed is the sole fault of Hezbollah (despite it being US weapons fired and IDF doing the firing), over 100 kids have been killed in the last few days, plus 2 professors at Beirut University (which is was a beautiful and tranquil campus when I visited in 2003), plus hundreds of others.
My basic understanding is that when Israel did not allow the Palestinians to return home after the Nakba, many thousands ended up as refugees in Lebanon. They were angry and launched attacks on Israel from Lebanon. The Lebanese civil war was triggered when half the country supported this retaliation and 1/2 did not. Once that was settled Hezbollah was established (funded and armed by Iran) and the Lebanese let them stay as a deterrent to Israel again invading. Over the years Hezbollah has fired into Israel while Israeli religious crazies have talked about extending Israel into southern Lebanon (something about cedar trees mentioned in the Torah?). Lebanon is distinct from other middle eastern countries. French and English are widely spoken. 1/3 the population is Christian. When I visited I did not see any headcovers and the fashion was very high end (well, fashion throughout the ME is very high end). Beirut was like any cosmopolitan European city. There are reports that the Lebanese government is trying to use all its diplomatic ties to get US troops to provide civilian protection. Any chance this might happen? Is Israel using the cover of Iran to take the land they want from Lebanon? or how else does this resolve? |
Anonymous
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Oh - and the Michigan synagogue attacker’s relatives were killed in Israeli airstrike in Lebanon.
How can we keep supporting this escalating violence? Or at least not call out connecting the dots? We are parents here: if one of my kids pushes the other a fight is likely. I would certainly point a finger at both and not continue to supply the first with sugary snacks. |
Anonymous
| That is not why the Lebanese Civil War happened but Lebanese politics is very complicated. |
Anonymous
Are you saying it was ok for him to attack a synagogue in the US because his relatives were killed by Israeli strikes. So the Jews who were at the synagogue, many who have never been to Israel or probably don’t support Israel are fair targets just because they have the same religion as the people in Israel. Kinda like staying we should target all Muslims in the US since many Muslims in the Middle East support ISIS. Also per Hezbollah. Up until last week. There have been no “recent” attack by Israel into Lebanese territory. Why would they bomb Lebanese territory recently???? Maybe because Hezbollah launched hundreds of rockets into Israel recently. So Israel is supposed just allow that to happen. And Lebanon is also responsible for any damage and deaths to its citizens as it allows Hezbollah to launch attacks from its territories. |
Anonymous
| The only reason why Israel can commit all the war crimes they're doing in Lebanon is because the US is fighting what should be Israel's war in Iran. We are sending 2500 ground troops but obviously they won't do anything just like Iraq. |
Anonymous
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you aren't paying attention- Israel wants Lebanon, there won't BE a Lebanon, it'll be part of Isreal, then they'll move further into syria and Jordan. the Israeli left is also playing along with the right b/c they (ben grunion and Meir) always intended for Isreal to consist of the entire levant which is a small part of what the jewish right claims as greater Israel. teh jewish left is already struggling though, there might eb pockets of liberalism but the country is lurching twds religious, messianic extremism at an alarming rate.
A large majority of Israelis are fundamentalists now, basically Jewish Taliban- it's not that God gave Abram the land, the Arabs are the descendants of Abraham- God gave Jacob the land, ALL of it, not Esau, not Ismael. jeez their prophets- Jacob lied to his father and stole his brother's inheritance and then his sons tried to murder their brother- these are their holy men. The jewish versions of John the Baptist, St Peter and the apostles are thieves and murderers so of course their followers are also blood thirsty thieves and murderers. My apologies to Moses and David and Daniel and all the rest of the OT but the fundamentalist uber religious Smotrich, Ben gvir types - jewish ayatollahs- like all crazy religious nut jobs only choose to focus on the parts of their text that caters to their own desires so they aren't focusing on repairing the world or doing mitzvahs or anything that we recognize as Judaism, they basically reject Judaism for their own crazy version of it that is supposed to be a throwback to pre Talmudic "ancient" judaism- you know when people want to do that they are just making stuff up to suit their own agenda. |
Anonymous
I did not say " it was ok for him to attack a synagogue in the US because his relatives were killed by Israeli strikes." I am pointing out how escalating violence has now harmed Americans. |
Anonymous
So can you explain? I am trying to understand how we got here. |
Anonymous
| "America's chickens are coming home to roost." |
Anonymous
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Also this statement is exactly what I do not understand "And Lebanon is also responsible for any damage and deaths to its citizens as it allows Hezbollah to launch attacks from its territories."
It is American made weapons fired by IDF killing civilians (including children) in Lebanon. Full stop. That is what is causing death. Why is FAFO (which I find a horrible phrase) okay when Israel is being attacked but not okay with it's another country being attacked. It shouldn't be okay in either case. |
Anonymous
| Israel wants to turn Lebanon into Gaza and commit ethnic cleansing and genocide as part of their land grab. Nothing else to see here. |
Anonymous
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What’s going on in Lebanon is terrible; this whole war is heartbreaking. I am angry at Israel, and while I used to always be a supporter, I find the government’s actions indefensible.
It’s my understanding many Israelis are unhappy as well. I feel sick over this war. |
Anonymous
Politics are complicated everywhere. |
Anonymous
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Friendly reminder that the Gaza Strip is exactly 2x the size of Washington DC and Lebanon is smaller than Connecticut, but Israel still struggles to push back Hamas and Hezbollah and are currently unable to actually win a ground war and take these land for their settlements. These two places are some of the most densely populated areas on planet earth and carpet bombing them is not only a war crime it also does not help Israel at all logistically or security wise.
For every woman and child they kill, Hamas and Hezbollah grow in male recruits. They need a hard reset of their military polices but they can’t do that. Anyone honest who says this is excommunicated or resigns from the Israeli govt top brass |
Anonymous
Wow so incredibly surprising behavior from the world's most moral army 
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