How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In this case, the majority of House members (including ALL whose districts are on the border) is opposed to the wall.

Why is Trump trying to force a $75B wall on the people who deal with this every day. They don't want it. It is a boondoggle.

The Senate doesn’t want it either.

If Mitch wanted it, he’d be pushing for it. Where TF is he?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I swear that I can't understand why Democrats love illegals and hate their fellow Americans.

That’s just projection on your part. You are delusional. Just because Democrats oppose doesn’t make them love illiegals and hate Americans. A wall is waste of money. The dems are providing money for border security just not for the wall. If the GOP wants permanent fence they should give permanent protection for DACA NOT temporary. Do you know the majority didn’t even vote for the conman. In fact the GOP has won a popular vote just once since 1988.

The reality is that the conman and gop are the most anti-American you can see. They tried take away Obamacare from average Americans. They believe in Putin over American intelligence. They do favor after favor for Russia (just lifted sanctions against deripaksa) and walked away from Syria to benefit Russia. Why? They give tax cut after tax cuts for the rich and take benefits away from average Americans. That is so anti-American. But then

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I swear that I can't understand why Democrats love illegals and hate their fellow Americans.

I can’t understand why republicans HATE their fellow American federal workers.

[Anonymous]

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An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)


A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.

Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.

And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).



You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.

Best post. This was never about a wall (that the Mexicans were supposed to pay for). Putin wants to destroy our government.

[Anonymous]

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An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)


A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.

Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.

And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).



You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.

Best post. This was never about a wall (that the Mexicans were supposed to pay for). Putin wants to destroy our government.

+1
If the Democrats had any sense they'd be shouting this exact message all over the place in a way that would get attention.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems should just give $5 billion for the wall. Keeping the government shut over this isn't worth it.

Any good child psychologist will tell you you don't give in to tantrums. It makes them worse.

Seriously. Can you imagine if Congress gave in to this blackmail? Every time the narcissistic sociopath had another brain fart he'd shut down the government again to have his way.

I wanna extravagant military parade.
I wanna space force.
I wanna bomb Syria. No, wait, I wanna pull troops out of Syria.
I wanna great healthcare. No, wait, I wanna no healthcare.
KJU is a little rocket man. KJU is my BFF.

We're going the way of Venezuela with this level of misMAGAgement.

Trump is trying to change the democratic process, weaken one legislative branch. And the GOP are complicit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)

A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.

Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.

And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).

You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.

What you are missing is that "government is supposed to …" stopped happening a long time ago. I'm a Democrat, but what this side needs to realize is that normal doesn't apply anymore and the majority of the public doesn't care about what is supposed to happen. Holding the government hostage to get your way has been going on since Newt.

The House Democrats should resend over bills to open up every other part of the government other than DHS. Send over a separate DHS bill that provides for wall funding in exchange for either a longer DACA and TPS fix (like 6 years) or a path to permanent residency/citizenship for DACA/TPS in exchange for wall and technology based border security. Give that to the Senate. If the Senate doesn't act on that, well the ball is in McConnell's court again.


But if the House Democrats sit on the proposal and don't counterpropose, the public will shift the blame back to the Democrats.

[Anonymous]

So probably another week's shutdown at least, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In this case, the majority of House members (including ALL whose districts are on the border) is opposed to the wall.

Why is Trump trying to force a $75B wall on the people who deal with this every day. They don't want it. It is a boondoggle.

The Senate doesn’t want it either.

If Mitch wanted it, he’d be pushing for it. Where TF is he?

Hiding in his shell, letting federal workers suffer. He needs to surface and do something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So probably another week's shutdown at least, right?

We should ask McConnell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I swear that I can't understand why Democrats love illegals and hate their fellow Americans.

I can’t understand why republicans HATE their fellow American federal workers.

Read any of the posts here? That’s why

[Anonymous]

Can someone please explain to me the concerted effort to pin this on McConnell (who I have no love for)? I don't get it. This is clearly a spat between Trump and house democrats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)

A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.

Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.

And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).

You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.

What you are missing is that "government is supposed to …" stopped happening a long time ago. I'm a Democrat, but what this side needs to realize is that normal doesn't apply anymore and the majority of the public doesn't care about what is supposed to happen. Holding the government hostage to get your way has been going on since Newt.

The House Democrats should resend over bills to open up every other part of the government other than DHS. Send over a separate DHS bill that provides for wall funding in exchange for either a longer DACA and TPS fix (like 6 years) or a path to permanent residency/citizenship for DACA/TPS in exchange for wall and technology based border security. Give that to the Senate. If the Senate doesn't act on that, well the ball is in McConnell's court again.


But if the House Democrats sit on the proposal and don't counterpropose, the public will shift the blame back to the Democrats.

Disagree because the next time will be so dangerous - the debt ceiling has to be raised in a couple of months. If we default the country will be in such big trouble. The Democrats have to hold firm this time so that the shutdown tactic is never used again by sociopaths like Mark Meadows, Mick Mulvaney etc. This is the third shutdown in the last year. It will keep on happening.
This shutdown is not about border security. It is a political tactic to stymie a Democratic House and to take the public's focus away from the investigations from oversight and the policy agenda of the Democratic party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain to me the concerted effort to pin this on McConnell (who I have no love for)? I don't get it. This is clearly a spat between Trump and house democrats.

The House just passed a bunch of funding bills the Senate previously voted to pass. McConnell has not allowed the Senate to vote on these bills which would end the shutdown. There is little doubt the Senate would pass these bills with a veto proof majority

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain to me the concerted effort to pin this on McConnell (who I have no love for)? I don't get it. This is clearly a spat between Trump and house democrats.

The House just passed a bunch of funding bills the Senate previously voted to pass. McConnell has not allowed the Senate to vote on these bills which would end the shutdown. There is little doubt the Senate would pass these bills with a veto proof majority

Exactly. If McConnell wanted this to end then he’d do it.

Maybe he’s trying to make Trump look bad, at the expense of our feds & economy.