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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)[/quote]

A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.[/quote]
Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.

[b]And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).[/b]

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You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.[/quote]

What you are missing is that "government is supposed to …" stopped happening a long time ago. I'm a Democrat, but what this side needs to realize is that normal doesn't apply anymore and the majority of the public doesn't care about what is supposed to happen. Holding the government hostage to get your way has been going on since Newt.

The House Democrats should resend over bills to open up every other part of the government other than DHS. Send over a separate DHS bill that provides for wall funding in exchange for either a longer DACA and TPS fix (like 6 years) or a path to permanent residency/citizenship for DACA/TPS in exchange for wall and technology based border security. Give that to the Senate. If the Senate doesn't act on that, well the ball is in McConnell's court again.

But if the House Democrats sit on the proposal and don't counterpropose, the public will shift the blame back to the Democrats.  
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Disagree because the next time will be so dangerous - the debt ceiling has to be raised in a couple of months.  If we default the country will be in such big trouble.  The Democrats have to hold firm this time so that the shutdown tactic is never used again by sociopaths like Mark Meadows, Mick Mulvaney etc.  This is the third shutdown in the last year.  It will keep on happening.
This shutdown is not about border security.  It is a political tactic to stymie a Democratic House and to take the public's focus away from the investigations from oversight and the policy agenda of the Democratic party.[/quote]

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