Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

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Anonymous wrote:A classic sign of an abuse victim is taking FULL accountability for an entire argument such as what Gaby did in the police video.

Notice how she seemed apologetic for her part in the “scuffle” and blamed herself for why Brian got angry??
She was the one clearly affected and distraught, he was acting like none of it was any big deal to him.
He showed no signs of being negatively affected by the situation. At all.

So the fact that these cops were calling him the victim is truly laughable.

Please stop trying to make the cops the bad guys. They had a 911 call saying that Gabby had hit him. He had scratches on his face. They both confirmed that Gabby hit him while he was driving. They had no evidence that he hit her. The other 911 call saying he hit her was from another incident. The fact that they didn’t charge her implies that they knew something was off about the story, but they simply didn’t have grounds to do anything else other than what they did.

I cannot in good faith agree with the posters who are saying the cops did a great job.

Because they did not.
No, they did not cause her murder in any way.
That is not their fault.

What IS their fault is that they handled the August 12 situation horribly.
They didn’t take into account that another witness had claimed that Brian was seen striking Gabby.

Yes, in watching the Body Cam video, it doesn't seem like they had this info at the time. If they did, they weren't discussing it on the video.

They clearly didn’t have that information. They discussed the fact that the only evidence they had was that Gabby had hit him. He was the one that was visibly injured. The second-guessers-after the fact-in hindsight on here are amazing.

Even watching the video in hindsight, if you try to put out of your mind what you know, she looks upset and stressed, but not clearly mentally incompetent. I had a friend whose son was seriously mentally ill, and the police are very limited in what they can do and how long they can hold someone, even when they are a danger to themselves or others. If you don’t like that, talk to the ACLU.

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Anonymous wrote:The clear takeaway from the body cam video is that both of these young people were deeply troubled and mentally ill. We don’t know yet how she died. Let’s stop speculating until the facts are in, cause of death, etc. They swore they hadn’t been drinking or doing drugs, but they sure looked like the were both strung out. And both admitted to mental health issues during the traffic stop.

OMG STOPPP!! He fake texted her mom, drive home without her and told police nothing, ever.

He is mentally ill. You don’t know where his head was at, how she died, or why he responded to her death this way. You have no idea what really happened.

And you know this how? Assuming that he did murder her (and that's still an assumption at this point) he doesn't appear to have anything close to the severe mental illness required for a finding of "not guilty by reason of insanity" or even "guilty but mentally ill."

The stupidity on this thread makes me question the jury system. Let me spell it out for you. I’m the Body Cam video, both of these young people admit to the police they are mentally ill. The police remark that the issues were mental health, not DV. You cannot watch that video without seeing mental illness (unless they were on drugs, which Gabby strongly denied, also in the video). Now maybe he killed her. Or maybe she died and that amplified his mental issues, to a point where he thought he killed her. I’m just saying it’s distressing how everyone on this forum thinks they know he’s scum and a murdered. Let’s wait at least for toxicology anc time of death before we hang the guy.

I don't recall him saying that he is mentally ill anywhere on the body cam footage?? She says that she has anxiety and some OCD. Don't they both deny taking any medications? My point is that based on that body cam footage, no jury would ever find that he met the standard for "not guilty by reason of insanity" or "guilty but mentally ill." Both high standards, for good reason.

And I'm pretty sure you'd be stricken by the prosecutor as a potential juror, if you diagnosed him as mentally ill based on the body cam footage and think this should affect his culpability. Yes, this is assuming that he is eventually charged.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A classic sign of an abuse victim is taking FULL accountability for an entire argument such as what Gaby did in the police video.

Notice how she seemed apologetic for her part in the “scuffle” and blamed herself for why Brian got angry??
She was the one clearly affected and distraught, he was acting like none of it was any big deal to him.
He showed no signs of being negatively affected by the situation. At all.

So the fact that these cops were calling him the victim is truly laughable.

Please stop trying to make the cops the bad guys. They had a 911 call saying that Gabby had hit him. He had scratches on his face. They both confirmed that Gabby hit him while he was driving. They had no evidence that he hit her. The other 911 call saying he hit her was from another incident. The fact that they didn’t charge her implies that they knew something was off about the story, but they simply didn’t have grounds to do anything else other than what they did.

I cannot in good faith agree with the posters who are saying the cops did a great job.

Because they did not.
No, they did not cause her murder in any way.
That is not their fault.

What IS their fault is that they handled the August 12 situation horribly.
They didn’t take into account that another witness had claimed that Brian was seen striking Gabby.

Yes, in watching the Body Cam video, it doesn't seem like they had this info at the time. If they did, they weren't discussing it on the video.

Don’t question the Monday Morning Quarterback! S/HE KNOWS EVERYTHING.

Right. I guess the question will be whether they should have had that information, based on the timing of the second witness report. I think on the body cam footage, the police talk about how Gabby and Brian's reports match up with the witness report that they did have, right?

Maybe they should have, in a perfect world, but the incident had already been reported, and the dispatcher had sent multiple units who were talking to the people in question, so it’s understandable that the dispatcher wouldn’t have necessarily called to say — “hey, someone else called and reported a different version of the same incident.”

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Anonymous wrote:The clear takeaway from the body cam video is that both of these young people were deeply troubled and mentally ill. We don’t know yet how she died. Let’s stop speculating until the facts are in, cause of death, etc. They swore they hadn’t been drinking or doing drugs, but they sure looked like the were both strung out. And both admitted to mental health issues during the traffic stop.

OMG STOPPP!! He fake texted her mom, drive home without her and told police nothing, ever.

He is mentally ill. You don’t know where his head was at, how she died, or why he responded to her death this way. You have no idea what really happened.

And you know this how? Assuming that he did murder her (and that's still an assumption at this point) he doesn't appear to have anything close to the severe mental illness required for a finding of "not guilty by reason of insanity" or even "guilty but mentally ill."

His family was quoted as saying he struggles with mental health issues. That doesn't make him a serial killer, but perhaps he is manic.

Manic? As in manic-depressive? The antiquated term for bipolar disorder? Does that make someone likely to murder someone? If so, I’m in trouble!

There are different types and manifestations of bipolar disorder; my friend married a guy who is bipolar, as she is. She found out he is much much more violent than she bargained for. He is currently in jail waiting for his court date because he threatened her and violated his probation.

Just because you aren't violent when you are manic, doesn't mean everyone isn't.

+1 and also I didn't say bipolar because that is not what i meant. There are many types of mental illness that cause one to have manic episodes. You are projecting.

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Anonymous wrote:The clear takeaway from the body cam video is that both of these young people were deeply troubled and mentally ill. We don’t know yet how she died. Let’s stop speculating until the facts are in, cause of death, etc. They swore they hadn’t been drinking or doing drugs, but they sure looked like the were both strung out. And both admitted to mental health issues during the traffic stop.

OMG STOPPP!! He fake texted her mom, drive home without her and told police nothing, ever.

He is mentally ill. You don’t know where his head was at, how she died, or why he responded to her death this way. You have no idea what really happened.

And you know this how? Assuming that he did murder her (and that's still an assumption at this point) he doesn't appear to have anything close to the severe mental illness required for a finding of "not guilty by reason of insanity" or even "guilty but mentally ill."

His family was quoted as saying he struggles with mental health issues. That doesn't make him a serial killer, but perhaps he is manic.

Manic? As in manic-depressive? The antiquated term for bipolar disorder? Does that make someone likely to murder someone? If so, I’m in trouble!

Link? I thought his family was not talking to police at all and only speaking through an attorney? Also, mania is not strongly associated with severe violence, AFAIK. Sure, it's possible that he has a mental illness, but it's a high bar for mental illness to have an impact on your defense.

There are different types and manifestations of bipolar disorder; my friend married a guy who is bipolar, as she is. She found out he is much much more violent than she bargained for. He is currently in jail waiting for his court date because he threatened her and violated his probation.

Just because you aren't violent when you are manic, doesn't mean everyone isn't.

+1 and also I didn't say bipolar because that is not what i meant. There are many types of mental illness that cause one to have manic episodes. You are projecting.

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Anonymous wrote:The clear takeaway from the body cam video is that both of these young people were deeply troubled and mentally ill. We don’t know yet how she died. Let’s stop speculating until the facts are in, cause of death, etc. They swore they hadn’t been drinking or doing drugs, but they sure looked like the were both strung out. And both admitted to mental health issues during the traffic stop.

OMG STOPPP!! He fake texted her mom, drive home without her and told police nothing, ever.

He is mentally ill. You don’t know where his head was at, how she died, or why he responded to her death this way. You have no idea what really happened.

And you know this how? Assuming that he did murder her (and that's still an assumption at this point) he doesn't appear to have anything close to the severe mental illness required for a finding of "not guilty by reason of insanity" or even "guilty but mentally ill."

His family was quoted as saying he struggles with mental health issues. That doesn't make him a serial killer, but perhaps he is manic.

Manic? As in manic-depressive? The antiquated term for bipolar disorder? Does that make someone likely to murder someone? If so, I’m in trouble!

There are different types and manifestations of bipolar disorder; my friend married a guy who is bipolar, as she is. She found out he is much much more violent than she bargained for. He is currently in jail waiting for his court date because he threatened her and violated his probation.

Just because you aren't violent when you are manic, doesn't mean everyone isn't.

+1 and also I didn't say bipolar because that is not what i meant. There are many types of mental illness that cause one to have manic episodes. You are projecting.

Link? I thought his family was not talking to police at all and only speaking through an attorney?

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If someone else was a witness to Gabby and Brian’s scuffle, then they should have had their statements submitted to the police stat.

It appears this was not done, as the police were seen on their body cam footage saying that no one saw Brian strike Gabby.

However it is interesting to note that initially the police report stated that someone had seen Brian strike Gabby but it was later redacted.
Also interesting is the fact that the police discussed two witness accounts, etc.?

How could someone report to 911 that they saw a couple arguing where one person struck the other person and yet while the cops spent close to an hr and a half speaking to Gabby & Brian, this information was never properly relayed to them?
There was plenty of time to forward this piece of very important, pivotal information.
Just a thirty second call from the dispatcher.

So either the call was made and the on scene cops chose to ignore it or the info was never given - both these show shoddy police work.
And sadly Gabby was made to feel like the aggressor due to this mistake.
The non-profit should have paid for a room for her instead of the true aggressor.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The clear takeaway from the body cam video is that both of these young people were deeply troubled and mentally ill. We don’t know yet how she died. Let’s stop speculating until the facts are in, cause of death, etc. They swore they hadn’t been drinking or doing drugs, but they sure looked like the were both strung out. And both admitted to mental health issues during the traffic stop.

OMG STOPPP!! He fake texted her mom, drive home without her and told police nothing, ever.

He is mentally ill. You don’t know where his head was at, how she died, or why he responded to her death this way. You have no idea what really happened.

And you know this how? Assuming that he did murder her (and that's still an assumption at this point) he doesn't appear to have anything close to the severe mental illness required for a finding of "not guilty by reason of insanity" or even "guilty but mentally ill."

The stupidity on this thread makes me question the jury system. Let me spell it out for you. I’m the Body Cam video, both of these young people admit to the police they are mentally ill. The police remark that the issues were mental health, not DV. You cannot watch that video without seeing mental illness (unless they were on drugs, which Gabby strongly denied, also in the video). Now maybe he killed her. Or maybe she died and that amplified his mental issues, to a point where he thought he killed her. I’m just saying it’s distressing how everyone on this forum thinks they know he’s scum and a murdered. Let’s wait at least for toxicology anc time of death before we hang the guy.

I don't recall him saying that he is mentally ill anywhere on the body cam footage?? She says that she has anxiety and some OCD. Don't they both deny taking any medications? My point is that based on that body cam footage, no jury would ever find that he met the standard for "not guilty by reason of insanity" or "guilty but mentally ill." Both high standards, for good reason.

And I'm pretty sure you'd be stricken by the prosecutor as a potential juror, if you diagnosed him as mentally ill based on the body cam footage and think this should affect his culpability. Yes, this is assuming that he is eventually charged.

A great question for potential jurors would be: have you visited the dcurbanmom website in the last x months

[Anonymous]

If he were truly innocent, he could still have retained counsel while also assisting police with the search. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The clear takeaway from the body cam video is that both of these young people were deeply troubled and mentally ill. We don’t know yet how she died. Let’s stop speculating until the facts are in, cause of death, etc. They swore they hadn’t been drinking or doing drugs, but they sure looked like the were both strung out. And both admitted to mental health issues during the traffic stop.

OMG STOPPP!! He fake texted her mom, drive home without her and told police nothing, ever.

He is mentally ill. You don’t know where his head was at, how she died, or why he responded to her death this way. You have no idea what really happened.

And you know this how? Assuming that he did murder her (and that's still an assumption at this point) he doesn't appear to have anything close to the severe mental illness required for a finding of "not guilty by reason of insanity" or even "guilty but mentally ill."

Because he's white, duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If someone else was a witness to Gabby and Brian’s scuffle, then they should have had their statements submitted to the police stat.

It appears this was not done, as the police were seen on their body cam footage saying that no one saw Brian strike Gabby.

However it is interesting to note that initially the police report stated that someone had seen Brian strike Gabby but it was later redacted.
Also interesting is the fact that the police discussed two witness accounts, etc.?

How could someone report to 911 that they saw a couple arguing where one person struck the other person and yet while the cops spent close to an hr and a half speaking to Gabby & Brian, this information was never properly relayed to them?
There was plenty of time to forward this piece of very important, pivotal information.
Just a thirty second call from the dispatcher.

So either the call was made and the on scene cops chose to ignore it or the info was never given - both these show shoddy police work.
And sadly Gabby was made to feel like the aggressor due to this mistake.
The non-profit should have paid for a room for her instead of the true aggressor.

I noticed the inconsistency in report from caller and the police report also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he were truly innocent, he could still have retained counsel while also assisting police with the search. The two are not mutually exclusive.

This.

Especially if he was worried about her.

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Gabby did tell the police that he grabbed her face/chin, and she clarified that he did not lift her with his hand while doing that, only grabbed her face... IIRC. That was concerning to me. Immediately made me think of my mom's abusive ex-bf grabbing her face in the same manner.

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It is lazy and immoral in this circumstance for a lawyer just to say “clam up.”

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Gabby told officer she was OCD and upset cleaning the back of the van.

But in this video, she wore her shoes in the van, but not Brian? There's only 1 pair of sandals in back on the ground. And, as others mentioned, this site was not ideal with a lot of brush (for cover), but had a strategic opening into that meadow area near the back of the van. So, I think this video was taken post mortem, same day. Best guess.