Gaza War, Part 2

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Captured Hamas structure = pile of dead Palestinian children.


No. Hamas is a heavily militarized death cult.


Yet, Israel does all the killing.

Even if we were operating under the barbaric an eye for an eye, Israel has slaughtered twice as many more children and babies than the total number killed by Hamas.

How many more do they need to feel avenged? Will Israel not stop until every man, woman and child in Gaza is dead? I wonder how long they’ve planned this genocide.


Again, this War will cost Dems the presidency. Trump is out but Biden has already lost.


Agreed. Biden’s press office had to issue a correction when he spread the fake propaganda about beheaded babies on 10/7. As if that wasn’t bad enough, since then, he’s said he doesn’t believe the death toll in Gaza.

“I have no confidence in the numbers the Palestinians are using.”



That clip is going to play over and over again during campaign. His legacy is going to be a genocide denier.


No, he’s a genocide enabler. I will never vote for him


You do you, but um, the alternative is much much worse. You can disenfranchise yourself if you want of course. Personally I look at elections as a choice between different versions of reality, and pick the least bad one.



I can’t stomach genocide. I also cannot align myself with people who openly support it . It’s my red line so will vote third party. Hopefully Ds will separate themselves from ethnic cleansing. Shouldn’t be that hard of an ask


There is a difference between killing people in a war and "genocide". It doesn't matter how many times you say the word; it is simply not what is happening here.
Do you understand what war is? And what happens during war? Do you understand that wars have been raging all over the world your entire life? Wars involve blackouts, hunger, thirst, buildings turned to rubble, dead children. It is hell and it's been happening somewhere since the day you were born and for thousands of years before that.

It seems like we have a lot of people who've lived in la-la-land, then saw some TikTok videos about this conflict, learned the word "genocide" and have run with it, barking all over the Internet for weeks.


Lol how the heck is this a WAR? This is a one sided conflict with one side getting 3 billion dollars every year in military aid from the U.S. and the other side throwing random pathetic rockets which seldom land anywhere. A war is between two militaries, two armies, two countries! This is not a war! This is one country trying to kill an entire population because they believe they have the God given right to do so.

You suggest Israel responds with an invasion to behead Palestinian babies, rape their women, and kidnap elderly? Would this be fair in your eyes?


Israeli babies weren’t beheaded. If it was true, it wouldn’t have been walked back by the White House.

Rape isn’t confirmed either. We haven’t heard any stories from any Israeli woman that she was raped by Hamas


Suddenly you’re concerned with verifying facts?

That’s rich.


Facts should always come before emotion. Biden said women were raped before IDF said it.

There is lots of misinformation about Oct 7 namely beheading babies and the mass rape of many Israeli women. None of these things are confirmed but according to the IDF, it’s “presumed” to have happened

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/what-we-know-about-three-widespread-israel-hamas-war-claims/

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You didn’t even understand the point.

You’re a dreadful failure as a propagandist.


How am I a propagandist if I’m anti Hamas? I’ve been hand wringing about getting to the tunnels or destroying the tunnels all throughout the threads. Hamas is not in Gaza. They are outside of Gaza in the tunnels.

Israel knows where they are but are killing civilians because of revenge which I get but the response is way past getting even at this point. Israel already won the kill Olympics so I don’t understand why continue the siege on Gaza when Hamas is still shooting rockets into Israel proving nothing is really Getting done unless these tunnels get handled


Outside of Gaza, where? In Israel? In Egypt?


They are outside where rockets can be launched not inside buildings. But that doesn’t stop Israel from crushing babies and women and kids to death in these buildings and creating more Hamas .

Actually yes. They are in Israel according to the hostages. They recognized some of the terrorists as part of a work permit program and some
Spoke Hebrew. They are everywhere in Egypt and in the West Bank as well as Syria and Lebanon and Qatar. They are more spread out then the IDF. Now what is bombing buildings and homes in Gaza going to do to root out Hamas? It creates more Hamas


Since, you are into fact-checking, Palestinians lied about hospital bombing to make Israel look bad. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-fakes-surrounding-the-gaza-hospital-blast/a-67154393

Based on that, they probably routinely lie about the rest of the bombings and causalities, so you can calm down a bit.

Also, if you are right about the Russians training Hamas, then Hamas learned to blame the other side for their, Hamas, was crimes and atrocities. Fight Hamas, not Israel.
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/son-of-hamas-in-interview-terrorists-brought-wrath-of-god-with-october-7-attack/#openwebComments


‘Son of Hamas’ in interview: Terrorists brought wrath of God with October 7 attack
In passionate conversation with UK TV journalist Piers Morgan, Mosab Hassan Yousef, the disowned son of Hamas co-founder, advocates for war to topple bloody regime


Mosab Hassan Yousef, the disowned eldest son of the co-founder of Hamas, told British talk show host Piers Morgan on Thursday that he was not surprised by Hamas’s brutality during the October 7 shock attack, but he was taken aback by its scale.

“Wiping out entire communities, messing with a nuclear power, the most powerful country in the region, a country with a great trauma from the past, with a memory of a Holocaust, and all the Nazis did in the past century. They opened the gates of hell on the Palestinian people,” said Yousef on the syndicated program “Piers Morgan Uncensored.”

On October 7, over 2,500 Hamas terrorists invaded Israel by land, air and sea, slaughtering 1,400 people, a majority of them civilians, and abducting 230 people including 30 children. The youngest is nine months old. Entire families were wiped out in their homes, and over 260 were massacred at an outdoor music festival.

“Since its establishment, Hamas has one goal in mind, which is annihilating the State of Israel,” said Yousef. “It’s not a secret that Hamas wants to destroy the State of Israel. They cannot accept Israel or accept Israel’s right to exist.”

Yousef is the son of Hamas co-founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef. He was dubbed “Green Prince” (also the title of a 2014 documentary based on his autobiography) for his efforts to help the Shin Bet thwart terror attacks during the Second Intifada in the early 2000s. The 45-year-old was born in Ramallah and vividly remembers the foundation of Hamas in 1986, he said.

To interviewer Morgan, Yousef described being imprisoned by Israel for over two years and witnessing Hamas torturing its own members in prison.

“They killed, actually, and tortured hundreds of prisoners. And this is when I start asking myself the question, what if Hamas becomes the ruler at some point? What will they do to our people? And many years later, Hamas became the ruler of Gaza. And I wasn’t surprised by their brutality,” she said.


Mosab Hassan Yousef addresses an AFMDA event in Florida, December 2018 (Courtesy)
He predicted that once Israel removes Hamas from power in the Gaza Strip, as it has vowed to do following the October 7 terror onslaught, Palestinian residents would celebrate and thank Israel for ending their oppression and “lust for power.”

“We have to separate between what is the so-called Palestinian cause and Hamas cause. Hamas’s cause is a sick one. It’s coming from the pit of hell, and they need to be removed from power. This is my message as an ex-Hamas member, as a son of one of Hamas founders, enough of this. If we don’t stop them now, the next war is going to be deadlier, and only God knows what will happen next,” he said.

Removing Hamas from power can only happen through battle, he asserted.

“Unfortunately, now Hamas left Israel, and the free world as well, with no choice but to fight them and put an end to their violence. Many civilians are dying. I understand this. Their blood is on the hands of Hamas and Hamas only,” he said.

Morgan pushed Yousef on the widely held misconception that Israel is to blame for the Hamas massacre due to Israel’s occupation of much of the West Bank and for making the Gaza Strip a “prison camp for Gazans.”


Palestinians walk by buildings destroyed in the Israeli bombardment on al-Zahra, on the outskirts of Gaza City, October 20, 2023. (Ali Mahmoud/AP)
“Look, since my childhood, I am hearing the stories from pro-Palestine [activists] and from those who are using what’s so-called the Palestinian cause: They care the least for the Palestinian children and their future.

“I am the legitimate representative of the Palestinian children. The child within me speaks: I don’t want somebody coming from London or somebody coming from the other side of the world to tell me what is the struggle of the Palestinian children. The Palestinian society has been hijacked by criminals and anybody who takes their side is participating in their crime,” he said.

He railed against Hamas for using human shields and for preventing the evacuation of civilians by putting up roadblocks after Israel instructed the civilian population in northern Gaza to evacuate to the south.

“We have a fundamental problem and we need to stop blaming Israel. We invited this upon our heads and the rest of the world, if they don’t know the reality on the ground, it’s better that they shut up,” he said.

“[That’s] enough involvement from people who don’t care. They are just warriors on keyboards and they’re just storming world capitals saying, ‘Free Palestine, free Palestine.’ They don’t know what the hell Palestine is. I am Palestine, and I say it’s ‘Enough of Hamas.’ It’s enough of the corrupt leadership that is killing our people,” he said.



Morgan asked whether it was even possible to overthrow the Hamas leadership. Yousef responded that there was no longer any choice.

“Listen to this: We are going to remove Hamas from power. Remember my words, okay? And Hamas did not only bring the wrath of Israel over Gaza, Hamas brought the wrath of God. We are going to remove them from power and we are going to prosecute their leaders. And we are going to bring them to justice, and the world will witness their punishment.

“And everyone who takes their side today, in this state of confusion, thinking that this is a joke, I tell those people that you are going to regret taking the side of Hamas. You are going to regret taking the side of those criminals who are killing the Palestinian people,” he said.
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Anonymous wrote:Hard to fathom how anyone at this point is still nitpicking over the extent of Hamas’ barbaric attacks.


There’s nothing more barbaric or inhuman about Hamas attacks than Israel’s attacks right now. Killing a 3 month old with a 6,000 lb bomb and calling Palestinians animals or human shields (take your pick) is just as blood thirsty and cruel as Hamas
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Anonymous wrote:This is all so heart breaking. The Palestinians have been cut off from the world. They have no electricity and internet. They are sitting there in darkness and getting bombed. This is GENOCIDE no matter what you say. Half the Palestinian population is under 18. Do you guys have no shame? Do you guys not fear your God? Do you think your God will be in favor of taking the lives of these innocent children?

This in insanity. This mindless bombing is not killing Hamas. It is creating more Hamas members by killing people’s entire families and making them harbor even more resentment towards their occupiers. Netanyahu couldn’t care less about getting Hamas. Hamas actually helps his agenda. Pretty sure he willfully ignored the signs of an imminent Hamas attack because it gave him the perfect excuse to go in and annihilate the Palestinian population. There is no way the IDF and Mossad did not know what was coming with all their intelligence and support from the U.S. The IDF just wants to kill all Palestinians and the world is just watching as this genocide is taking place. What a sad world to raise our kids in.


What did the Palestinians think would happen when they killed and abducted seniors, babies, farm workers and peace concert attendees just going about their life?


And what did the Israelis think would happen when they repeatedly defied international law and kept grabbing more and more land from the Palestinians and pushing them into a narrow strip of land while controlling how much food, water and electricity they get. You keep harping about Israel defending themselves. Well maybe Hamas came in because they wanted to defend their land and get it back from their occupiers. Maybe was defense for them as well. See two can play this game. And stop acting willfully ignorant and thinking this conflict started on October 7th. Israel has been very brutal and has taken thousands of Palestinians as prisoners with no charges. So if you are so obsessed about Israel’s defense, maybe Hamas was also in defense mode and wanted a release of thousands of Palestinians that have been kept in Israeli prisons with no trial. Don’t act as if Israel is an innocent party who just wants to get along with everyone…far from it. The repeated atrocities against Palestinian civilians and their dehumanization will lead to extremism and sadly innocent Israelis paid a price for it.


This is the first time in my memory that actual Israelis became collateral damage. Israel seems to be making an utterly pathetic effort to get their hostages back.
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IDF reiterating to Gazans to go south for safety and that additional humanitarian aid will be available. This is more generosity of spirit than Hamas has ever shown Gazans, no?
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Anonymous wrote:This is all so heart breaking. The Palestinians have been cut off from the world. They have no electricity and internet. They are sitting there in darkness and getting bombed. This is GENOCIDE no matter what you say. Half the Palestinian population is under 18. Do you guys have no shame? Do you guys not fear your God? Do you think your God will be in favor of taking the lives of these innocent children?

This in insanity. This mindless bombing is not killing Hamas. It is creating more Hamas members by killing people’s entire families and making them harbor even more resentment towards their occupiers. Netanyahu couldn’t care less about getting Hamas. Hamas actually helps his agenda. Pretty sure he willfully ignored the signs of an imminent Hamas attack because it gave him the perfect excuse to go in and annihilate the Palestinian population. There is no way the IDF and Mossad did not know what was coming with all their intelligence and support from the U.S. The IDF just wants to kill all Palestinians and the world is just watching as this genocide is taking place. What a sad world to raise our kids in.


This is not genocide.

This is not mindless bombing.

This is killing Hamas.

The IDF does not just want to kill Palestinians.

Your conspiracy theory is wrong.

In short, everything you wrote is factually incorrect.


Ok IDF propaganda machine. This is GENOCIDE. It is mindless bombing when apartment buildings have turned into rubble and people are moving concrete with their bare hands to pull dead kids out. I don’t know how you can in your conscience justify this barbaric behavior.

Sadly this isn’t a video game where Israel is bombing to get the bad guys. This is real life and almost 3000 Palestinians children have died and many more have been orphaned. Where is Hamas? If Hamas is in tunnels what will bombing apartment buildings so when the tunnels are intact??! Is the plan to turn all of Gaza into rubble?! Then just say it out loud instead of telling Palestinians to run south and then start bombing the south, telling them to shelter in safe places and then bomb those exact safe places. This is really psychotic behavior.

It’s sickening how they are just playing with Palestinian lives. Meanwhile the Israeli youth is mocking the plight of the Palestinians and making fun of them on their tiktok videos. How cruel can one be??!


Hamas are the villains who made this happen. Stop supporting terrorists who attack Israeli civilians and then hide behind Palestinian civilians.


Hamas were trained by Russian mercenary terrorists as souring wanted to divert Workd attention from his illegal war.

What Hamas terrorists did to innocent Israelis was horrific but this does not justify the war crimes being visited upon so many innocent two million mostly young and poor Palestinians.

Israel is not only behaving in barbaric indiscriminate way by continuing to bomb Gaza but is radicalizing many Muslims against Israel. They are making Israel’s position in the Middle East much less safe and stable. This response a lose-lose way to deal with Hamas terrorists.


“Radicalizing many Muslims against Israel?”

As opposed to all the love that Muslims have shown to Israel since 1948?

You’re joking, right?


That is your response to war crimes not being justified ?

Obviously 79 years of ongoing tensions and occasional wars has created a tinder box ready to explode: Israel’s indiscriminate response to innocent Palestinians is obviously going to make the many Muslims in Palestine and nearby Muslim countries even angrier and feeling justified in more violent responses to Israel.

This indiscriminate bombing is a lose lose for both sides.

It is also morally and legally wrong.
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Anonymous wrote:Hard to fathom how anyone at this point is still nitpicking over the extent of Hamas’ barbaric attacks.


There’s nothing more barbaric or inhuman about Hamas attacks than Israel’s attacks right now. Killing a 3 month old with a 6,000 lb bomb and calling Palestinians animals or human shields (take your pick) is just as blood thirsty and cruel as Hamas


Some folks say that Hamas uses Gazans as human sacrifices!
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Anonymous wrote:Hard to fathom how anyone at this point is still nitpicking over the extent of Hamas’ barbaric attacks.


Because Israel’s barbaric attacks are a million times worse. No Israel has no excuse to act like animals and no this is not self defense. Mindless bombing is not getting rid of Hamas. It is creating a bigger following for Hamas. Just like how ISIS was created because the U.S. could not mind its own business and invaded Iraq. Have you seen the way the Israelis government is talking about killing Palestinians. They have no remorse. Hamas is a terrorist organization but what does that make Israel? What Israel is doing is outright cold blooded murder of innocent Palestinians. First these Zionists take their land, rob them of their humanity, confine them to a narrow strip of land, imprison their innocent men and when the occupied become extremists and fight back, these Zionists scream anti semitism. Thank God for sane voices such as Jewish voice for peace who see things for what they are and refuse to make excuses for Israel’s genocide campaign.


Yes, this is self defense.

Yes, this is killing Hamas fighters.

No, this is not genocide.

The reason the Palestinians don’t have a state is because THEY rejected the two state solution in 1948 (and many times since) and tried to destroy Israel.

FFS.
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Anonymous wrote:Hard to fathom how anyone at this point is still nitpicking over the extent of Hamas’ barbaric attacks.


There’s nothing more barbaric or inhuman about Hamas attacks than Israel’s attacks right now. Killing a 3 month old with a 6,000 lb bomb and calling Palestinians animals or human shields (take your pick) is just as blood thirsty and cruel as Hamas


Hamas is lying. They bomb Israel daily. Yes, there is the Iron dome, but do you think they would not be bombing without the dome?
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Anonymous wrote:Hard to fathom how anyone at this point is still nitpicking over the extent of Hamas’ barbaric attacks.


Because Israel’s barbaric attacks are a million times worse. No Israel has no excuse to act like animals and no this is not self defense. Mindless bombing is not getting rid of Hamas. It is creating a bigger following for Hamas. Just like how ISIS was created because the U.S. could not mind its own business and invaded Iraq. Have you seen the way the Israelis government is talking about killing Palestinians. They have no remorse. Hamas is a terrorist organization but what does that make Israel? What Israel is doing is outright cold blooded murder of innocent Palestinians. First these Zionists take their land, rob them of their humanity, confine them to a narrow strip of land, imprison their innocent men and when the occupied become extremists and fight back, these Zionists scream anti semitism. Thank God for sane voices such as Jewish voice for peace who see things for what they are and refuse to make excuses for Israel’s genocide campaign.


You just said that Israelis are acting like animals? That is dehumanizing and not constructive.
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Captured Hamas structure = pile of dead Palestinian children.


No. Hamas is a heavily militarized death cult.


Yet, Israel does all the killing.

Even if we were operating under the barbaric an eye for an eye, Israel has slaughtered twice as many more children and babies than the total number killed by Hamas.

How many more do they need to feel avenged? Will Israel not stop until every man, woman and child in Gaza is dead? I wonder how long they’ve planned this genocide.


Again, this War will cost Dems the presidency. Trump is out but Biden has already lost.


Agreed. Biden’s press office had to issue a correction when he spread the fake propaganda about beheaded babies on 10/7. As if that wasn’t bad enough, since then, he’s said he doesn’t believe the death toll in Gaza.

“I have no confidence in the numbers the Palestinians are using.”



That clip is going to play over and over again during campaign. His legacy is going to be a genocide denier.


No, he’s a genocide enabler. I will never vote for him


You do you, but um, the alternative is much much worse. You can disenfranchise yourself if you want of course. Personally I look at elections as a choice between different versions of reality, and pick the least bad one.



I can’t stomach genocide. I also cannot align myself with people who openly support it . It’s my red line so will vote third party. Hopefully Ds will separate themselves from ethnic cleansing. Shouldn’t be that hard of an ask


There is a difference between killing people in a war and "genocide". It doesn't matter how many times you say the word; it is simply not what is happening here.
Do you understand what war is? And what happens during war? Do you understand that wars have been raging all over the world your entire life? Wars involve blackouts, hunger, thirst, buildings turned to rubble, dead children. It is hell and it's been happening somewhere since the day you were born and for thousands of years before that.

It seems like we have a lot of people who've lived in la-la-land, then saw some TikTok videos about this conflict, learned the word "genocide" and have run with it, barking all over the Internet for weeks.


Lol how the heck is this a WAR? This is a one sided conflict with one side getting 3 billion dollars every year in military aid from the U.S. and the other side throwing random pathetic rockets which seldom land anywhere. A war is between two militaries, two armies, two countries! This is not a war! This is one country trying to kill an entire population because they believe they have the God given right to do so.

You suggest Israel responds with an invasion to behead Palestinian babies, rape their women, and kidnap elderly? Would this be fair in your eyes?


Israeli babies weren’t beheaded. If it was true, it wouldn’t have been walked back by the White House.

Rape isn’t confirmed either. We haven’t heard any stories from any Israeli woman that she was raped by Hamas


Suddenly you’re concerned with verifying facts?

That’s rich.


Facts should always come before emotion. Biden said women were raped before IDF said it.

There is lots of misinformation about Oct 7 namely beheading babies and the mass rape of many Israeli women. None of these things are confirmed but according to the IDF, it’s “presumed” to have happened

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/what-we-know-about-three-widespread-israel-hamas-war-claims/

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You didn’t even understand the point.

You’re a dreadful failure as a propagandist.


How am I a propagandist if I’m anti Hamas? I’ve been hand wringing about getting to the tunnels or destroying the tunnels all throughout the threads. Hamas is not in Gaza. They are outside of Gaza in the tunnels.

Israel knows where they are but are killing civilians because of revenge which I get but the response is way past getting even at this point. Israel already won the kill Olympics so I don’t understand why continue the siege on Gaza when Hamas is still shooting rockets into Israel proving nothing is really Getting done unless these tunnels get handled


Outside of Gaza, where? In Israel? In Egypt?


They are outside where rockets can be launched not inside buildings. But that doesn’t stop Israel from crushing babies and women and kids to death in these buildings and creating more Hamas .

Actually yes. They are in Israel according to the hostages. They recognized some of the terrorists as part of a work permit program and some
Spoke Hebrew. They are everywhere in Egypt and in the West Bank as well as Syria and Lebanon and Qatar. They are more spread out then the IDF. Now what is bombing buildings and homes in Gaza going to do to root out Hamas? It creates more Hamas


Since, you are into fact-checking, Palestinians lied about hospital bombing to make Israel look bad. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-fakes-surrounding-the-gaza-hospital-blast/a-67154393

Based on that, they probably routinely lie about the rest of the bombings and causalities, so you can calm down a bit.

Also, if you are right about the Russians training Hamas, then Hamas learned to blame the other side for their, Hamas, was crimes and atrocities. Fight Hamas, not Israel.


Palestinians hacked Hananya Naftali’s Twitter account, and the IDF Arabic Facebook account? Both claimed responsibility for bombing the hospital.

If Israel is certain they didn’t bomb the hospital after warning them about an imminent bombing for days, let a team of neutral foreign chemical explosive specialists come to Gaza and test whether the chemicals on the scene resemble IDF or Palestinian bombs . Will Israel allow this ?
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There’s nothing more barbaric or inhuman about Hamas attacks than Israel’s attacks right now. Killing a 3 month old with a 6,000 lb bomb and calling Palestinians animals or human shields (take your pick) is just as blood thirsty and cruel as Hamas


Hamas is lying. They bomb Israel daily. Yes, there is the Iron dome, but do you think they would not be bombing without the dome?


At least Israel has a freaking dome and bomb shelters and safe rooms. We don’t even have this in the US. We get shot down like dogs by nut jobs.

Israelis are relatively safer than both Americans and Palestinians even after Oct 7. Yes rockets are annoying I’m sure but what does that say about Israel’s strategy if Hamas is still stronger than ever with their stupid rockets? Is killing half the Gazan population really doing anything here if Hamas hasn’t even run out of rockets? 98% of the rockets get dismantled by the Iron Dome.

Israelis just seem like they only care about themselves. Gazans are the ones suffering more than Israelis . Every day is Oct 7 for them , and every image we see looks like a 9/11 there with an entire building destroyed with rubble and dust and bodies dead and alive trapped within.
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Anonymous wrote:This is all so heart breaking. The Palestinians have been cut off from the world. They have no electricity and internet. They are sitting there in darkness and getting bombed. This is GENOCIDE no matter what you say. Half the Palestinian population is under 18. Do you guys have no shame? Do you guys not fear your God? Do you think your God will be in favor of taking the lives of these innocent children?

This in insanity. This mindless bombing is not killing Hamas. It is creating more Hamas members by killing people’s entire families and making them harbor even more resentment towards their occupiers. Netanyahu couldn’t care less about getting Hamas. Hamas actually helps his agenda. Pretty sure he willfully ignored the signs of an imminent Hamas attack because it gave him the perfect excuse to go in and annihilate the Palestinian population. There is no way the IDF and Mossad did not know what was coming with all their intelligence and support from the U.S. The IDF just wants to kill all Palestinians and the world is just watching as this genocide is taking place. What a sad world to raise our kids in.


This is not genocide.

This is not mindless bombing.

This is killing Hamas.

The IDF does not just want to kill Palestinians.

Your conspiracy theory is wrong.

In short, everything you wrote is factually incorrect.


Ok IDF propaganda machine. This is GENOCIDE. It is mindless bombing when apartment buildings have turned into rubble and people are moving concrete with their bare hands to pull dead kids out. I don’t know how you can in your conscience justify this barbaric behavior.

Sadly this isn’t a video game where Israel is bombing to get the bad guys. This is real life and almost 3000 Palestinians children have died and many more have been orphaned. Where is Hamas? If Hamas is in tunnels what will bombing apartment buildings so when the tunnels are intact??! Is the plan to turn all of Gaza into rubble?! Then just say it out loud instead of telling Palestinians to run south and then start bombing the south, telling them to shelter in safe places and then bomb those exact safe places. This is really psychotic behavior.

It’s sickening how they are just playing with Palestinian lives. Meanwhile the Israeli youth is mocking the plight of the Palestinians and making fun of them on their tiktok videos. How cruel can one be??!


Hamas are the villains who made this happen. Stop supporting terrorists who attack Israeli civilians and then hide behind Palestinian civilians.


Hamas were trained by Russian mercenary terrorists as souring wanted to divert Workd attention from his illegal war.

What Hamas terrorists did to innocent Israelis was horrific but this does not justify the war crimes being visited upon so many innocent two million mostly young and poor Palestinians.

Israel is not only behaving in barbaric indiscriminate way by continuing to bomb Gaza but is radicalizing many Muslims against Israel. They are making Israel’s position in the Middle East much less safe and stable. This response a lose-lose way to deal with Hamas terrorists.


“Radicalizing many Muslims against Israel?”

As opposed to all the love that Muslims have shown to Israel since 1948?

You’re joking, right?


That is your response to war crimes not being justified ?

Obviously 79 years of ongoing tensions and occasional wars has created a tinder box ready to explode: Israel’s indiscriminate response to innocent Palestinians is obviously going to make the many Muslims in Palestine and nearby Muslim countries even angrier and feeling justified in more violent responses to Israel.

This indiscriminate bombing is a lose lose for both sides.

It is also morally and legally wrong.


Yes, my response to your absurd assertion is to point out its absurdity.

Since nearby Muslim countries have been so very welcoming to Israel since they rolled out the welcome mat in 1948, I agree that continuing this history of amicable co-existence should be Israel’s top priority.

Now, whether there’s a better, more humane way for Israel to achieve its goals?

That’s a good question: what would you suggest, exactly?
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Anonymous wrote:Israeli flag being raised at captured Hamas structure. It is only temporary—Israel wants nothing to do with the place. Who would?


Captured Hamas structure = pile of dead Palestinian children.


No. Hamas is a heavily militarized death cult.


Yet, Israel does all the killing.

Even if we were operating under the barbaric an eye for an eye, Israel has slaughtered twice as many more children and babies than the total number killed by Hamas.

How many more do they need to feel avenged? Will Israel not stop until every man, woman and child in Gaza is dead? I wonder how long they’ve planned this genocide.


Again, this War will cost Dems the presidency. Trump is out but Biden has already lost.


Agreed. Biden’s press office had to issue a correction when he spread the fake propaganda about beheaded babies on 10/7. As if that wasn’t bad enough, since then, he’s said he doesn’t believe the death toll in Gaza.

“I have no confidence in the numbers the Palestinians are using.”



That clip is going to play over and over again during campaign. His legacy is going to be a genocide denier.


No, he’s a genocide enabler. I will never vote for him


You do you, but um, the alternative is much much worse. You can disenfranchise yourself if you want of course. Personally I look at elections as a choice between different versions of reality, and pick the least bad one.



I can’t stomach genocide. I also cannot align myself with people who openly support it . It’s my red line so will vote third party. Hopefully Ds will separate themselves from ethnic cleansing. Shouldn’t be that hard of an ask


There is a difference between killing people in a war and "genocide". It doesn't matter how many times you say the word; it is simply not what is happening here.
Do you understand what war is? And what happens during war? Do you understand that wars have been raging all over the world your entire life? Wars involve blackouts, hunger, thirst, buildings turned to rubble, dead children. It is hell and it's been happening somewhere since the day you were born and for thousands of years before that.

It seems like we have a lot of people who've lived in la-la-land, then saw some TikTok videos about this conflict, learned the word "genocide" and have run with it, barking all over the Internet for weeks.


Lol how the heck is this a WAR? This is a one sided conflict with one side getting 3 billion dollars every year in military aid from the U.S. and the other side throwing random pathetic rockets which seldom land anywhere. A war is between two militaries, two armies, two countries! This is not a war! This is one country trying to kill an entire population because they believe they have the God given right to do so.

You suggest Israel responds with an invasion to behead Palestinian babies, rape their women, and kidnap elderly? Would this be fair in your eyes?


Israeli babies weren’t beheaded. If it was true, it wouldn’t have been walked back by the White House.

Rape isn’t confirmed either. We haven’t heard any stories from any Israeli woman that she was raped by Hamas


Suddenly you’re concerned with verifying facts?

That’s rich.


Facts should always come before emotion. Biden said women were raped before IDF said it.

There is lots of misinformation about Oct 7 namely beheading babies and the mass rape of many Israeli women. None of these things are confirmed but according to the IDF, it’s “presumed” to have happened

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/what-we-know-about-three-widespread-israel-hamas-war-claims/

Of


You didn’t even understand the point.

You’re a dreadful failure as a propagandist.


How am I a propagandist if I’m anti Hamas? I’ve been hand wringing about getting to the tunnels or destroying the tunnels all throughout the threads. Hamas is not in Gaza. They are outside of Gaza in the tunnels.

Israel knows where they are but are killing civilians because of revenge which I get but the response is way past getting even at this point. Israel already won the kill Olympics so I don’t understand why continue the siege on Gaza when Hamas is still shooting rockets into Israel proving nothing is really Getting done unless these tunnels get handled


Outside of Gaza, where? In Israel? In Egypt?


They are outside where rockets can be launched not inside buildings. But that doesn’t stop Israel from crushing babies and women and kids to death in these buildings and creating more Hamas .

Actually yes. They are in Israel according to the hostages. They recognized some of the terrorists as part of a work permit program and some
Spoke Hebrew. They are everywhere in Egypt and in the West Bank as well as Syria and Lebanon and Qatar. They are more spread out then the IDF. Now what is bombing buildings and homes in Gaza going to do to root out Hamas? It creates more Hamas


Since, you are into fact-checking, Palestinians lied about hospital bombing to make Israel look bad. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-fakes-surrounding-the-gaza-hospital-blast/a-67154393

Based on that, they probably routinely lie about the rest of the bombings and causalities, so you can calm down a bit.

Also, if you are right about the Russians training Hamas, then Hamas learned to blame the other side for their, Hamas, was crimes and atrocities. Fight Hamas, not Israel.


Palestinians hacked Hananya Naftali’s Twitter account, and the IDF Arabic Facebook account? Both claimed responsibility for bombing the hospital.

If Israel is certain they didn’t bomb the hospital after warning them about an imminent bombing for days, let a team of neutral foreign chemical explosive specialists come to Gaza and test whether the chemicals on the scene resemble IDF or Palestinian bombs . Will Israel allow this ?


Dear genius,

Hamas refused to turn over any parts of the explosive for independent analysis.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67216929
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Anonymous wrote:Hard to fathom how anyone at this point is still nitpicking over the extent of Hamas’ barbaric attacks.


Because Israel’s barbaric attacks are a million times worse. No Israel has no excuse to act like animals and no this is not self defense. Mindless bombing is not getting rid of Hamas. It is creating a bigger following for Hamas. Just like how ISIS was created because the U.S. could not mind its own business and invaded Iraq. Have you seen the way the Israelis government is talking about killing Palestinians. They have no remorse. Hamas is a terrorist organization but what does that make Israel? What Israel is doing is outright cold blooded murder of innocent Palestinians. First these Zionists take their land, rob them of their humanity, confine them to a narrow strip of land, imprison their innocent men and when the occupied become extremists and fight back, these Zionists scream anti semitism. Thank God for sane voices such as Jewish voice for peace who see things for what they are and refuse to make excuses for Israel’s genocide campaign.


Yes, this is self defense.

Yes, this is killing Hamas fighters.

No, this is not genocide.

The reason the Palestinians don’t have a state is because THEY rejected the two state solution in 1948 (and many times since) and tried to destroy Israel.

FFS.


LOL they have been carpet bombing Gaza for the past 22 days and apparently have only killed a few Hamas fighters but have successfully killed 7000 civilians. Gosh they really suck at their job. Keep stating your lies but I can guarantee you repeatedly stating these statements will not make them true. A lie is a lie is a lie.
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