Question about the homophobia thread

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I’m starting to understand it a little more.

Transgender folks who have gender dysphoria (a psychiatric condition) medically transition. Their sex organs must match their gender or else it causes too much psychological stress.

A transperson without gender dysphoria does not medically transition because they are only identifying with the societal construct of womanhood (or manhood) - nothing of what they are feeling has anything to do with the sex organs. So medical transition is not necessary in this case.

I still think the first case makes a person transsexual, not transgender, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

If someone chooses to identify as transexual they are able to but most people use transgender at this point in time. It’s up to the individual how they want to identify with each label[b].

And that’s where you lose me and a lot of people. It’s like you can label yourself whatever you want whenever you want, without any rhyme or reason - and we must respect this 100% or else we’re hateful.

Words have meanings. Scientific words have meanings. And they’re being lost.

Why shouldn't people be free to call themselves the terms they feel comfortable with? It's really strange that you're trying to define what other people are allowed to call themselves. Are you the person upset about "pregnant people"?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/996319297/gender-identity-pronouns-expression-guide-lgbtq

Gender identity is one's own internal sense of self and their gender, whether that is man, woman, neither or both. Unlike gender expression, gender identity is not outwardly visible to others.

For most people, gender identity aligns with the sex assigned at birth, the American Psychological Association notes. For transgender people, gender identity differs in varying degrees from the sex assigned at birth.

I’m confused. If gender identity is related to internal sense of self, why is sex re-assignment hormones and surgery a common path of treatment?

Because it’s really distressing not to feel like your appearance matches your internal sense of self. I’m a woman with PCOS and my beard, receding hairline, and excessive body hair have literally made me suicidal. It doesn’t make me any less of a woman to have those male characteristics, but the dysphoria is intense.

I’m not debating with anyone that dysphoria isn’t real. I’m asking how gender identity is different than dysphoria because everyone says you don’t need to be dysphoric to be trans.

transgender = gender identity differs from the sex assigned at birth

gender dysphoria = "psychological distress that results from an incongruence between one's sex assigned at birth and one's gender identity. Not all trans people experience dysphoria, and those who do may experience it at varying levels of intensity."

So transgender is the same as gender dysphoria but without the psychological distress? Is that right?

I am a transgender woman. Transgender in that sentence is an adjective describing the type of woman I am. I am a skinny transgender woman. That sentence has two adjectives. Both define the type of woman. These are adjectives that modify the noun.

I am a skinny transgender woman with gender dysphoria.

I hope this clears up confusion.

Exactly as I thought. You are trans because you say you are. Your biology may be undistinguishable from a male. But you because you sat “I am trans” that is what makes it so. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Imagine that we were discussing gay people, whose legitimacy I assume you don't question. How do we know that gay people are really gay? They don't have any biological markers that we can check. They tell us they are gay and we accept it. We accept that they are telling us this for good reason, not simply because they decided that day to be gay and will maybe decide to be not gay the next day, right? Their reasons are presumably based on feelings that they have. We don't question those feelings, do we? When someone tells us they are attracted to members of their same sex we accept what they are saying and, at least these days, don't have an issue with it (not so long ago, of course, such people were treated as having mental health conditions or being "unnatural" and even said to be going against biology and science).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I’m starting to understand it a little more.

Transgender folks who have gender dysphoria (a psychiatric condition) medically transition. Their sex organs must match their gender or else it causes too much psychological stress.

A transperson without gender dysphoria does not medically transition because they are only identifying with the societal construct of womanhood (or manhood) - nothing of what they are feeling has anything to do with the sex organs. So medical transition is not necessary in this case.

I still think the first case makes a person transsexual, not transgender, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

If someone chooses to identify as transexual they are able to but most people use transgender at this point in time. It’s up to the individual how they want to identify with each label[b].

And that’s where you lose me and a lot of people. It’s like you can label yourself whatever you want whenever you want, without any rhyme or reason - and we must respect this 100% or else we’re hateful.

Words have meanings. Scientific words have meanings. And they’re being lost.

Why shouldn't people be free to call themselves the terms they feel comfortable with? It's really strange that you're trying to define what other people are allowed to call themselves. Are you the person upset about "pregnant people"?

You can call yourself whatever you want. But for a transwoman to demand that they are entitled to compete against biological females (in sports) based on a feeeling? C’mon - you have to see how ridiculous that is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I’m starting to understand it a little more.

Transgender folks who have gender dysphoria (a psychiatric condition) medically transition. Their sex organs must match their gender or else it causes too much psychological stress.

A transperson without gender dysphoria does not medically transition because they are only identifying with the societal construct of womanhood (or manhood) - nothing of what they are feeling has anything to do with the sex organs. So medical transition is not necessary in this case.

I still think the first case makes a person transsexual, not transgender, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

If someone chooses to identify as transexual they are able to but most people use transgender at this point in time. It’s up to the individual how they want to identify with each label[b].

And that’s where you lose me and a lot of people. It’s like you can label yourself whatever you want whenever you want, without any rhyme or reason - and we must respect this 100% or else we’re hateful.

Words have meanings. Scientific words have meanings. And they’re being lost.

Why shouldn't people be free to call themselves the terms they feel comfortable with? It's really strange that you're trying to define what other people are allowed to call themselves. Are you the person upset about "pregnant people"?

You can call yourself whatever you want. But for a transwoman to demand that they are entitled to compete against biological females (in sports) based on a feeeling? C’mon - you have to see how ridiculous that is.

Alright, you've lost me at this sudden change in topics.

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Anonymous wrote:Adult human female. I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings or make them sad, but physical safety is paramount to me. Truly sad that my definition feels exclusionary and makes people feel badly. But their feelings don’t trump women’s safety.

Limiting the definition of woman will not address your irrational fears.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/woman
woman
an adult female human being:
an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth:
a wife or female sexual partner:
women in general:

My fears are not irrational.

Everyone who was born with a penis is not out to assault you.

Nah bro, but +95% of the people who want to assault us have a penis.

Go ahead dude, keep telling women how we should feel about our safety. Totally hysterical that we don’t want our female relatives to be incarcerated with violent males, right?

Unless you or your female relatives live in a red state, they are fine.

Irrational fears.

More gaslighting.

Facts. There just aren't that many transgender people out there.

So then why on earth do we need to change language for so few people?

Because the old timey language is no longer accurate.

I find it hilarious that “pregnant woman” is considered old timey language.

You can still use “pregnant woman” if you want.

And other people can use “pregnant people”.

Either work. 👍

While theoretically this is true, it seems that routinely using “pregnant woman” will lead you to being labeled as not inclusive. And the official definition of lesbian (according to Hopkins) replaces woman with non-man (or non-male, can’t remember which). Doesn’t seem like either “woman” or “non-man” work - if they did, the definition would have included both.

I'm so sorry that you don't feel like you're allowed to label people the way you feel they should be labeled. That must be very distressing for you. I hope you're able to find some peace. If you want to share your experiences about how you've been made to feel bad for calling someone a woman, I'm happy to listen.

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Anonymous wrote:Adult human female. I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings or make them sad, but physical safety is paramount to me. Truly sad that my definition feels exclusionary and makes people feel badly. But their feelings don’t trump women’s safety.

Limiting the definition of woman will not address your irrational fears.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/woman
woman
an adult female human being:
an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth:
a wife or female sexual partner:
women in general:

My fears are not irrational.

Everyone who was born with a penis is not out to assault you.

Nah bro, but +95% of the people who want to assault us have a penis.

Go ahead dude, keep telling women how we should feel about our safety. Totally hysterical that we don’t want our female relatives to be incarcerated with violent males, right?

Unless you or your female relatives live in a red state, they are fine.

Irrational fears.

More gaslighting.

Facts. There just aren't that many transgender people out there.

So then why on earth do we need to change language for so few people?

Because the old timey language is no longer accurate.

I find it hilarious that “pregnant woman” is considered old timey language.

You can still use “pregnant woman” if you want.

And other people can use “pregnant people”.

Either work. 👍

While theoretically this is true, it seems that routinely using “pregnant woman” will lead you to being labeled as not inclusive. And the official definition of lesbian (according to Hopkins) replaces woman with non-man (or non-male, can’t remember which). Doesn’t seem like either “woman” or “non-man” work - if they did, the definition would have included both.

I'm so sorry that you don't feel like you're allowed to label people the way you feel they should be labeled. That must be very distressing for you. I hope you're able to find some peace. If you want to share your experiences about how you've been made to feel bad for calling someone a woman, I'm happy to listen.

You don’t seem very genuine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I’m starting to understand it a little more.

Transgender folks who have gender dysphoria (a psychiatric condition) medically transition. Their sex organs must match their gender or else it causes too much psychological stress.

A transperson without gender dysphoria does not medically transition because they are only identifying with the societal construct of womanhood (or manhood) - nothing of what they are feeling has anything to do with the sex organs. So medical transition is not necessary in this case.

I still think the first case makes a person transsexual, not transgender, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

If someone chooses to identify as transexual they are able to but most people use transgender at this point in time. It’s up to the individual how they want to identify with each label[b].

And that’s where you lose me and a lot of people. It’s like you can label yourself whatever you want whenever you want, without any rhyme or reason - and we must respect this 100% or else we’re hateful.

Words have meanings. Scientific words have meanings. And they’re being lost.

Why shouldn't people be free to call themselves the terms they feel comfortable with? It's really strange that you're trying to define what other people are allowed to call themselves. Are you the person upset about "pregnant people"?

You can call yourself whatever you want. But for a transwoman to demand that they are entitled to compete against biological females (in sports) based on a feeeling? C’mon - you have to see how ridiculous that is.

No, no we don't. Since when do you care about womens sports anyway?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I’m starting to understand it a little more.

Transgender folks who have gender dysphoria (a psychiatric condition) medically transition. Their sex organs must match their gender or else it causes too much psychological stress.

A transperson without gender dysphoria does not medically transition because they are only identifying with the societal construct of womanhood (or manhood) - nothing of what they are feeling has anything to do with the sex organs. So medical transition is not necessary in this case.

I still think the first case makes a person transsexual, not transgender, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

If someone chooses to identify as transexual they are able to but most people use transgender at this point in time. It’s up to the individual how they want to identify with each label[b].

And that’s where you lose me and a lot of people. It’s like you can label yourself whatever you want whenever you want, without any rhyme or reason - and we must respect this 100% or else we’re hateful.

Words have meanings. Scientific words have meanings. And they’re being lost.

Why shouldn't people be free to call themselves the terms they feel comfortable with? It's really strange that you're trying to define what other people are allowed to call themselves. Are you the person upset about "pregnant people"?

Call yourself whatever you want. Just don’t expect me to play along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I’m starting to understand it a little more.

Transgender folks who have gender dysphoria (a psychiatric condition) medically transition. Their sex organs must match their gender or else it causes too much psychological stress.

A transperson without gender dysphoria does not medically transition because they are only identifying with the societal construct of womanhood (or manhood) - nothing of what they are feeling has anything to do with the sex organs. So medical transition is not necessary in this case.

I still think the first case makes a person transsexual, not transgender, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

If someone chooses to identify as transexual they are able to but most people use transgender at this point in time. It’s up to the individual how they want to identify with each label[b].

And that’s where you lose me and a lot of people. It’s like you can label yourself whatever you want whenever you want, without any rhyme or reason - and we must respect this 100% or else we’re hateful.

Words have meanings. Scientific words have meanings. And they’re being lost.

Why shouldn't people be free to call themselves the terms they feel comfortable with? It's really strange that you're trying to define what other people are allowed to call themselves. Are you the person upset about "pregnant people"?

Call yourself whatever you want. Just don’t expect me to play along.

Do you regularly walk up to transgender men and yell, "You're a woman!" in their faces?

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Anonymous wrote:Adult human female. I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings or make them sad, but physical safety is paramount to me. Truly sad that my definition feels exclusionary and makes people feel badly. But their feelings don’t trump women’s safety.

Limiting the definition of woman will not address your irrational fears.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/woman
woman
an adult female human being:
an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth:
a wife or female sexual partner:
women in general:

My fears are not irrational.

Everyone who was born with a penis is not out to assault you.

Nah bro, but +95% of the people who want to assault us have a penis.

Go ahead dude, keep telling women how we should feel about our safety. Totally hysterical that we don’t want our female relatives to be incarcerated with violent males, right?

Unless you or your female relatives live in a red state, they are fine.

Irrational fears.

More gaslighting.

Facts. There just aren't that many transgender people out there.

So then why on earth do we need to change language for so few people?

Because the old timey language is no longer accurate.

I find it hilarious that “pregnant woman” is considered old timey language.

You can still use “pregnant woman” if you want.

And other people can use “pregnant people”.

Either work. 👍

While theoretically this is true, it seems that routinely using “pregnant woman” will lead you to being labeled as not inclusive. And the official definition of lesbian (according to Hopkins) replaces woman with non-man (or non-male, can’t remember which). Doesn’t seem like either “woman” or “non-man” work - if they did, the definition would have included both.

I'm so sorry that you don't feel like you're allowed to label people the way you feel they should be labeled. That must be very distressing for you. I hope you're able to find some peace. If you want to share your experiences about how you've been made to feel bad for calling someone a woman, I'm happy to listen.

You don’t seem very genuine.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't feel like the person claiming there's a ton of backlash for not always saying pregnant person rather than pregnant woman seems genuine. But if they've personally experienced any negative consequences from saying pregnant woman, I'd really appreciate if they'd share them. I understand how difficult it can be when language changes, and I totally get how frustrating it can be when we find out a word we're used to using is considered offensive but we didn't have any ill intentions when we said it. The worst that's ever happened to me when I've done that is someone corrected me, and I felt embarrassed and maybe a little self conscious going forward when using that word. That's a me problem though. I get to decide if someone is being overly sensitive or if I don't care about their feelings more than I care about my desire to use a particular word, then I get to choose if I want to continue using that word or be mindful of my audience and change my wording. No one has ever shunned me, I've never lost my job or friends, nothing like that. The worst that's ever happened is someone else corrected a word I said and suggested an alternative. I'm curious what actual situations the PP has been in where she feels she's not allowed to say woman, and maybe she'll feel better getting it off her chest and sharing.

Maybe she spoke at a birthing class that had two trans men who chose to become pregnant, but she kept insisting on saying pregnant women. I can see how there would be pushback against saying pregnant women instead of pregnant people or parents. Or maybe she saw someone complaining about someone who said women on twitter, and feels like now she's not allowed to say women. Or maybe her tween daughter is rebelling and has chosen gender issues to be the topic she nitpicks her mom about to get under her skin, and it's causing friction at home. I don't know, but I can think of several situations where someone might comment on the use of pregnant woman, and I'm curious what PP's experience was. I have my own feelings about their post, but the offer was definitely genuine, and I'm open to other viewpoints and calm discussion if they want to engage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I’m starting to understand it a little more.

Transgender folks who have gender dysphoria (a psychiatric condition) medically transition. Their sex organs must match their gender or else it causes too much psychological stress.

A transperson without gender dysphoria does not medically transition because they are only identifying with the societal construct of womanhood (or manhood) - nothing of what they are feeling has anything to do with the sex organs. So medical transition is not necessary in this case.

I still think the first case makes a person transsexual, not transgender, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

If someone chooses to identify as transexual they are able to but most people use transgender at this point in time. It’s up to the individual how they want to identify with each label[b].

And that’s where you lose me and a lot of people. It’s like you can label yourself whatever you want whenever you want, without any rhyme or reason - and we must respect this 100% or else we’re hateful.

Words have meanings. Scientific words have meanings. And they’re being lost.

Gender isn’t “scientific”. It’s a social construct.

Gender is a word with a meaning. So is the word woman. It has meaning. But apparently not anymore. Some people will even tell you female doesn’t have the same meaning anymore. It’s all feelings.

Gender roles/expectations change over time.

Languages change over time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I’m starting to understand it a little more.

Transgender folks who have gender dysphoria (a psychiatric condition) medically transition. Their sex organs must match their gender or else it causes too much psychological stress.

A transperson without gender dysphoria does not medically transition because they are only identifying with the societal construct of womanhood (or manhood) - nothing of what they are feeling has anything to do with the sex organs. So medical transition is not necessary in this case.

I still think the first case makes a person transsexual, not transgender, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

If someone chooses to identify as transexual they are able to but most people use transgender at this point in time. It’s up to the individual how they want to identify with each label[b].

And that’s where you lose me and a lot of people. It’s like you can label yourself whatever you want whenever you want, without any rhyme or reason - and we must respect this 100% or else we’re hateful.

Words have meanings. Scientific words have meanings. And they’re being lost.

Why shouldn't people be free to call themselves the terms they feel comfortable with? It's really strange that you're trying to define what other people are allowed to call themselves. Are you the person upset about "pregnant people"?

You can call yourself whatever you want. But for a transwoman to demand that they are entitled to compete against biological females (in sports) based on a feeeling? C’mon - you have to see how ridiculous that is.

No, no we don't. Since when do you care about womens sports anyway?

My daughter is an athlete - a swimmer actually. Does that pass your litmus test for concern? Or do you still think my opinion is invalid?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I’m starting to understand it a little more.

Transgender folks who have gender dysphoria (a psychiatric condition) medically transition. Their sex organs must match their gender or else it causes too much psychological stress.

A transperson without gender dysphoria does not medically transition because they are only identifying with the societal construct of womanhood (or manhood) - nothing of what they are feeling has anything to do with the sex organs. So medical transition is not necessary in this case.

I still think the first case makes a person transsexual, not transgender, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

If someone chooses to identify as transexual they are able to but most people use transgender at this point in time. It’s up to the individual how they want to identify with each label[b].

And that’s where you lose me and a lot of people. It’s like you can label yourself whatever you want whenever you want, without any rhyme or reason - and we must respect this 100% or else we’re hateful.

Words have meanings. Scientific words have meanings. And they’re being lost.

Why shouldn't people be free to call themselves the terms they feel comfortable with? It's really strange that you're trying to define what other people are allowed to call themselves. Are you the person upset about "pregnant people"?

DP. This is such a profoundly male, white, and privileged outlook.

Anyone who is truly part of a marginalized group understands the answer to this. Would not actually even ask the question.

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Anonymous wrote:Adult human female. I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings or make them sad, but physical safety is paramount to me. Truly sad that my definition feels exclusionary and makes people feel badly. But their feelings don’t trump women’s safety.

Limiting the definition of woman will not address your irrational fears.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/woman
woman
an adult female human being:
an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth:
a wife or female sexual partner:
women in general:

My fears are not irrational.

Everyone who was born with a penis is not out to assault you.

Nah bro, but +95% of the people who want to assault us have a penis.

Go ahead dude, keep telling women how we should feel about our safety. Totally hysterical that we don’t want our female relatives to be incarcerated with violent males, right?

Unless you or your female relatives live in a red state, they are fine.

Irrational fears.

More gaslighting.

Facts. There just aren't that many transgender people out there.

So then why on earth do we need to change language for so few people?

Because the old timey language is no longer accurate.

I find it hilarious that “pregnant woman” is considered old timey language.

You can still use “pregnant woman” if you want.

And other people can use “pregnant people”.

Either work. 👍

While theoretically this is true, it seems that routinely using “pregnant woman” will lead you to being labeled as not inclusive. And the official definition of lesbian (according to Hopkins) replaces woman with non-man (or non-male, can’t remember which). Doesn’t seem like either “woman” or “non-man” work - if they did, the definition would have included both.

I'm so sorry that you don't feel like you're allowed to label people the way you feel they should be labeled. That must be very distressing for you. I hope you're able to find some peace. If you want to share your experiences about how you've been made to feel bad for calling someone a woman, I'm happy to listen.

You don’t seem very genuine.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't feel like the person claiming there's a ton of backlash for not always saying pregnant person rather than pregnant woman seems genuine. But if they've personally experienced any negative consequences from saying pregnant woman, I'd really appreciate if they'd share them. I understand how difficult it can be when language changes, and I totally get how frustrating it can be when we find out a word we're used to using is considered offensive but we didn't have any ill intentions when we said it. The worst that's ever happened to me when I've done that is someone corrected me, and I felt embarrassed and maybe a little self conscious going forward when using that word. That's a me problem though. I get to decide if someone is being overly sensitive or if I don't care about their feelings more than I care about my desire to use a particular word, then I get to choose if I want to continue using that word or be mindful of my audience and change my wording. No one has ever shunned me, I've never lost my job or friends, nothing like that. The worst that's ever happened is someone else corrected a word I said and suggested an alternative. I'm curious what actual situations the PP has been in where she feels she's not allowed to say woman, and maybe she'll feel better getting it off her chest and sharing.

Maybe she spoke at a birthing class that had two trans men who chose to become pregnant, but she kept insisting on saying pregnant women. I can see how there would be pushback against saying pregnant women instead of pregnant people or parents. Or maybe she saw someone complaining about someone who said women on twitter, and feels like now she's not allowed to say women. Or maybe her tween daughter is rebelling and has chosen gender issues to be the topic she nitpicks her mom about to get under her skin, and it's causing friction at home. I don't know, but I can think of several situations where someone might comment on the use of pregnant woman, and I'm curious what PP's experience was. I have my own feelings about their post, but the offer was definitely genuine, and I'm open to other viewpoints and calm discussion if they want to engage.

Or maybe PP saw other people whining about it on Twitter and wanted to join in the whine fest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I’m starting to understand it a little more.

Transgender folks who have gender dysphoria (a psychiatric condition) medically transition. Their sex organs must match their gender or else it causes too much psychological stress.

A transperson without gender dysphoria does not medically transition because they are only identifying with the societal construct of womanhood (or manhood) - nothing of what they are feeling has anything to do with the sex organs. So medical transition is not necessary in this case.

I still think the first case makes a person transsexual, not transgender, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

If someone chooses to identify as transexual they are able to but most people use transgender at this point in time. It’s up to the individual how they want to identify with each label[b].

And that’s where you lose me and a lot of people. It’s like you can label yourself whatever you want whenever you want, without any rhyme or reason - and we must respect this 100% or else we’re hateful.

Words have meanings. Scientific words have meanings. And they’re being lost.

Why shouldn't people be free to call themselves the terms they feel comfortable with? It's really strange that you're trying to define what other people are allowed to call themselves. Are you the person upset about "pregnant people"?

DP. This is such a profoundly male, white, and privileged outlook.

Anyone who is truly part of a marginalized group understands the answer to this. Would not actually even ask the question.

Exactly, pregnant people includes trans men. Only the truest privileged would feel like they get to define trans men out of existence.