STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?

[Anonymous]

Long story short, there is an unprecedented attack on everything from education to funding of science in the USA. Gutting of regulations and govt instituons is not going help. I'm just done with the USA experiment that now appears to be over. From unaffordable to healthcare to unaffordable education to now what is looking like a complete take over by Christitan nationalists who went to return the country to a low education, low information society, I think it is time to leave. Europe, Japan, Singapore,....where is a good place to look abroad for new opportunity? This is the world's chance to pickup highly trained experts from the USA with years of experience for pennies on the dollar.

I have years of experience in the drug industry dealing with development from the bench to the market. I know tons about international regs and standards. Is Switzerland a solid choice if all you can speak is English? I see Singapore uses English for business, but I've never heard of too much biotech there. UK is an obvious choice, but salaries are low and housing costs are high. Where else to pursue? I just think STEM in the US is pretty much over and the US being a world technical powerhouse is done. Countries should be trying to pickup massive talent from the US while they can. It would be massive booms for their economies.

Would love Japan too, but the language is impenetrable. I just want out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Long story short, there is an unprecedented attack on everything from education to funding of science in the USA. Gutting of regulations and govt instituons is not going help. I'm just done with the USA experiment that now appears to be over. From unaffordable to healthcare to unaffordable education to now what is looking like a complete take over by Christitan nationalists who went to return the country to a low education, low information society, I think it is time to leave. Europe, Japan, Singapore,....where is a good place to look abroad for new opportunity? This is the world's chance to pickup highly trained experts from the USA with years of experience for pennies on the dollar.

I have years of experience in the drug industry dealing with development from the bench to the market. I know tons about international regs and standards. Is Switzerland a solid choice if all you can speak is English? I see Singapore uses English for business, but I've never heard of too much biotech there. UK is an obvious choice, but salaries are low and housing costs are high. Where else to pursue? I just think STEM in the US is pretty much over and the US being a world technical powerhouse is done. Countries should be trying to pickup massive talent from the US while they can. It would be massive booms for their economies.

Would love Japan too, but the language is impenetrable. I just want out.

Australia and New Zealand will take people with in demand jobs.

[Anonymous]

My back up plan was Canada, but I’m nervous now about a war. We’re now looking at Australia. But I’m also limited by countries that accept Nurse Practitioner licenses.

[Anonymous]

Is being in the trades in demand anywhere in particular? My husband is in construction management.

[Anonymous]

In the meantime STEM folks from Europe can't wait to move here

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the meantime STEM folks from Europe can't wait to move here

Why the hell would they want to come here.

[Anonymous]

Because stem jobs here pay a lot more than anywhere else in the world.

[Anonymous]

If you want to be at the vanguard, I’d say China. But that’s not what you wanted to hear.

[Anonymous]

My advice would be to explore options but don't make any rash moves. I've had instincts to run also but at the end of the day, the grass is not always greener. The countries with the least cultural barriers for most Americans are also experiencing tremendous social upheaval and the rise of ultra right parties. Also very tough to compete with the salaries in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because stem jobs here pay a lot more than anywhere else in the world.

None of that matters if you have to live under a Christo-fascist state that has now defunded and gutted education and STEM research. STEM is going to severely contract in the US. And no one wants to live under an insane authoritarian state. A few extra dollars isn't worth fascism coupled with garbage healthcare and terrible education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you want to be at the vanguard, I’d say China. But that’s not what you wanted to hear.

There are many people considering China now. They are dumping huge amounts of money into STEM and provide table funding. Yeah, they don't have the best government either, but many are being attracted more and more by their stable funding environment and world class research that is catching up and even eclipsing the US now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to be at the vanguard, I’d say China. But that’s not what you wanted to hear.

There are many people considering China now. They are dumping huge amounts of money into STEM and provide table funding. Yeah, they don't have the best government either, but many are being attracted more and more by their stable funding environment and world class research that is catching up and even eclipsing the US now.

Ew. I would hate to live there. Even prefer the US to that crap.

[Anonymous]

I never get these posts as someone not from the US. Do you think there is no discontent elsewhere? You can get a very cheap education in the US. If you are fully employed you likely have health insurance benefits. You also seem to be well-paid and mention countries that pay much less. How will YOUR life actually improve? This makes sense for people actually deeply affected by Trump, and there are many, but all the countries you mention have their own issues, and you don't seem to have any need to move.

[Anonymous]

Bangaluru, India. If you are a STEM guru. Go there. Worker bees are dime a dozen there so don't bother.

[Anonymous]

This is so funny to read. Sure, go to Switzerland and see how easy it is to get residency. Or anywhere in Europe really. Of course I’m a dual US-European citizen who likes what I see and am considering coming back to the US under Trump. Go figure!