STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?

[Anonymous]

Unlike our country, you can't just waltz across the border into another nation and set up your new life. However, if you are serious, one thing you may want to consider is whether or not your target nations have compulsory military service.

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Anonymous wrote:In the meantime STEM folks from Europe can't wait to move here

Why the hell would they want to come here.

Because you don’t get paid crap in europe. I’m from Germany on a work visa and make double what I would make in Germany and pay half as much in housing and have a much much better quality of life.

Do you understand?

At this point it isn't about salaries. That's the least people should be concerned about. It's more about whether or not you want to live under an authoritarian fascist state. The USA is about to hit have free elections anymore at the rate it is going.

enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These countries are not easy to move to without a job. I don’t understand why Americans think they can just move to another country.

It's not just schulbs off the street. We are talking about PhDs, in STEM, trained at some of the best universities in the world, who also have years of experience developing highly valuable products in tech.

European countries can pick up this talent for pennies on the dollar right now if they want major boosts to their economy. Americans can bring massive expertise in very valuable fields. What's left in the US? A technocratic take over run by AI and the tech bros who want to drive the country into the ground? Awful healthcare and terrible education for your kids? There will be no more ecosystem left to develop talent in the US because they're cutting research grants and decimating universities. They're destroying it on purpose. Quoting Bible passages and raging about wokism and trans in sports isn't going to make blockbuster drugs in the future.

Basel sounds really good right about now.

What is a schulb?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unlike our country, you can't just waltz across the border into another nation and set up your new life. However, if you are serious, one thing you may want to consider is whether or not your target nations have compulsory military service.

That's why you get an education and bring your skills and years of experience in highly lucrative fields elsewhere. Plenty of countries have fast tracks for individuals with highly desired skills.

Everything this administration is doing is going to cause a massive brain drain of STEM talent. Russia did the same and look at them now. US rapidly becoming Russia 2.0.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, my relatives have PhDs in hard sciences and elected to go to Europe and Asia, one of them is very likely a best in the world at what he does and China is trying to convince them to go there. He actually had a tenure at T10 school here, but decided to bail during the first orange term and now is really happy with the decision. Current chaos will only make it worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unlike our country, you can't just waltz across the border into another nation and set up your new life. However, if you are serious, one thing you may want to consider is whether or not your target nations have compulsory military service.

I applied for two PhD programs starting in the fall out of country. If I’m going to go back for an advanced degree, it will be in a country that appreciates me.

[Anonymous]

Americans trashing H-1B Indians for coming here in search of a better life and supposedly taking all the STEM jobs while looking to do the same to other countries. Incredible.

[Anonymous]

We are not going anywhere. We spent almost all of our adult lives here, kids were born here and this is home now. Governments come and go, community is forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Americans trashing H-1B Indians for coming here in search of a better life and supposedly taking all the STEM jobs while looking to do the same to other countries. Incredible.

What? You didn’t know America is largely a nation of entitled hypocrites!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are not going anywhere. We spent almost all of our adult lives here, kids were born here and this is home now. Governments come and go, community is forever.

You paying any attention to what is coming out of this administration's mouth, especially JD Vance? This could be a massive miscalculation.

Besides, the damage they're doing now could be permanent or take decades to reverse. It is a total assault on American research and innovation. Communities aren't forever if they wipe them out. It took two world wars to dislodge German governments.

Once basic innovation and discoveries go down the tubes, so does American commercial innovation. Then so does the economy. Start learning Mandarin.

But I mean you do you. Have fun with sticking around to see how experimenting with christian white supremacist fascism turns out for the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because stem jobs here pay a lot more than anywhere else in the world.

Bigger, cheaper houses and cars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the meantime STEM folks from Europe can't wait to move here

Why the hell would they want to come here.

Because you don’t get paid crap in europe. I’m from Germany on a work visa and make double what I would make in Germany and pay half as much in housing and have a much much better quality of life.

Do you understand?

At this point it isn't about salaries. That's the least people should be concerned about. It's more about whether or not you want to live under an authoritarian fascist state. The USA is about to hit have free elections anymore at the rate it is going.

I find it pretty funny you are saying this to a german, or really any European, except maybe a Brit. But who would move there unless you really like being unemployed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Italy. Buy the $1 homes, put in another 100K to fix it. Then work remote or live on SS. I would do that if I was White.

I've seen youtube videos on it. It appears to be too good to be true. First, houses are not 1 euro, it's a marketing message. Places that aren't complete dumps where you'd be camping if you want to fix it up are tens of thousands of Euro. Then cost of labor/materials to fix them is more there and things are slow. If you move to a nearly abandoned Italian small town where there are no young workers you will have to be very handy yourself to fix things up. Anything that gets better with expat community gets immediately more expensive and no longer a huge bargain while still having a lot more limited access to amenities compared to better developed areas. Some people just get tired after a while and give up and sell back for whatever loss. There are some success stories too, but these are some really hard working and persistent people who do not have jobs and make it their life.
Honestly, you will have a much easier time buying cheap rural dilapidated house in picturesque setting or in some small town in the USA with a main street.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These countries are not easy to move to without a job. I don’t understand why Americans think they can just move to another country.

It's not just schulbs off the street. We are talking about PhDs, in STEM, trained at some of the best universities in the world, who also have years of experience developing highly valuable products in tech.

European countries can pick up this talent for pennies on the dollar right now if they want major boosts to their economy. Americans can bring massive expertise in very valuable fields. What's left in the US? A technocratic take over run by AI and the tech bros who want to drive the country into the ground? Awful healthcare and terrible education for your kids? There will be no more ecosystem left to develop talent in the US because they're cutting research grants and decimating universities. They're destroying it on purpose. Quoting Bible passages and raging about wokism and trans in sports isn't going to make blockbuster drugs in the future.

Basel sounds really good right about now.

Why would such high quality professionals not be able to do well in the USA exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so funny to read. Sure, go to Switzerland and see how easy it is to get residency. Or anywhere in Europe really. Of course I’m a dual US-European citizen who likes what I see and am considering coming back to the US under Trump. Go figure!

What do you see that you like?