That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

If he was fooling around with his wife outside, laying on dirt and a bunch of pine needles, he could easily get dirt and pine needles on his hand before fingering her.

Actually, no. Sorry. Fooled around in plenty of forests with my husband and you cannot convince me of that.

Maybe keep trying, maybe after a few more shots, maybe, right?

It's nice to defend your friend, but you really need to stop.

Wait - you think he stuffed dirt and pine needles into her vagina, separate from the fingering? You have a vivid imagination. A vivid, perverted imagination.

Not PP, but I agree with her.

There isn't another plausible explanation. The pervert is Brock Turner.

Have you read this entire thread? This was discussed a ways back. Having sex outside can be messy. Calm yourselves.

Yes, I've read the entire thread. Pine needles don't go in the vagina unless you put them there. (You do know the difference between a vagina and a vulva, right?)

Yes, you silly twat, I am familiar with female anatomy.

Scene: Two drunk people rolling around in pine needles. Pine needles get on his hands and, just for kicks, on her vulva. There are fingers with pine needles on them rubbing against the pine-needled vulva and then going in and out of her vagina.

I am really struggling with why you are struggling that this is a completely plausible explanation. Seriously. Are you...mentally incapacitated in some way? Hit your head this AM?

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Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.

Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.

It would take you a "few minutes" to realize your wife passed out??! I think most people would be able to notice this in under 20 seconds. And then do you leave your wife naked where you two are fooling around and just hump her unconscious body? NO. A good person in this situation quickly gets their shit together, makes sure wife has clothes on, and calls for help.

wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

Accept no one accused him of purposely doing that - wouldn't that be in Emily Doe's letter to him? It isn't. They were laying in a filthy area - littered with dirt and pine needles. The victim had them in her clothes, in her hair, she vividly remembers them falling off of her wherever she went at the hospital. She may have removed her own underwear and sat down on that debris and then it got pushed inside her when they were fooling around or after she passed out and he was still touching her body.

He was too drunk to be careful and she was too drunk to care. It was a mess of a night.

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Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.

Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.

It would take you a "few minutes" to realize your wife passed out??! I think most people would be able to notice this in under 20 seconds. And then do you leave your wife naked where you two are fooling around and just hump her unconscious body? NO. A good person in this situation quickly gets their shit together, makes sure wife has clothes on, and calls for help.

wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

Accept no one accused him of purposely doing that - wouldn't that be in Emily Doe's letter to him? It isn't. They were laying in a filthy area - littered with dirt and pine needles. The victim had them in her clothes, in her hair, she vividly remembers them falling off of her wherever she went at the hospital. She may have removed her own underwear and sat down on that debris and then it got pushed inside her when they were fooling around or after she passed out and he was still touching her body.

He was too drunk to be careful and she was too drunk to care. It was a mess of a night.

So now she may have taken off her own clothing.

It should be comforting to a lot of college boys that when your daughters , nieces, younger sisters go to college, a lot of cases of what could be sexual assault and rape will only be considered a hook up gone wrong and some of the posters here will be first in line to argue against any crime being committed.

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wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

If he was fooling around with his wife outside, laying on dirt and a bunch of pine needles, he could easily get dirt and pine needles on his hand before fingering her.

Actually, no. Sorry. Fooled around in plenty of forests with my husband and you cannot convince me of that.

Maybe keep trying, maybe after a few more shots, maybe, right?

It's nice to defend your friend, but you really need to stop.

Wait - you think he stuffed dirt and pine needles into her vagina, separate from the fingering? You have a vivid imagination. A vivid, perverted imagination.

Not PP, but I agree with her.

There isn't another plausible explanation. The pervert is Brock Turner.

Have you read this entire thread? This was discussed a ways back. Having sex outside can be messy. Calm yourselves.

Yes, I've read the entire thread. Pine needles don't go in the vagina unless you put them there. (You do know the difference between a vagina and a vulva, right?)

Yes, you silly twat, I am familiar with female anatomy.

Scene: Two drunk people rolling around in pine needles. Pine needles get on his hands and, just for kicks, on her vulva. There are fingers with pine needles on them rubbing against the pine-needled vulva and then going in and out of her vagina.

I am really struggling with why you are struggling that this is a completely plausible explanation. Seriously. Are you...mentally incapacitated in some way? Hit your head this AM?

No. Somehow it is more plausible that this socially awkward horny 1st year student lured this older woman out of the party under the false pretenses of walking her home, knowing all along that she would pass out soon and he would have the opportunity to stuff her half naked body with pine needles....

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Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.

Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.

It would take you a "few minutes" to realize your wife passed out??! I think most people would be able to notice this in under 20 seconds. And then do you leave your wife naked where you two are fooling around and just hump her unconscious body? NO. A good person in this situation quickly gets their shit together, makes sure wife has clothes on, and calls for help.

wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

Accept no one accused him of purposely doing that - wouldn't that be in Emily Doe's letter to him? It isn't. They were laying in a filthy area - littered with dirt and pine needles. The victim had them in her clothes, in her hair, she vividly remembers them falling off of her wherever she went at the hospital. She may have removed her own underwear and sat down on that debris and then it got pushed inside her when they were fooling around or after she passed out and he was still touching her body.

He was too drunk to be careful and she was too drunk to care. It was a mess of a night.

So now she may have taken off her own clothing.

It should be comforting to a lot of college boys that when your daughters , nieces, younger sisters go to college, a lot of cases of what could be sexual assault and rape will only be considered a hook up gone wrong and some of the posters here will be first in line to argue against any crime being committed.

The only crime here, on DCUM, is some idiot misinterpreting what happened. "Stuffing pine needles and dirt into her" WTF?!

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Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.

Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.

It would take you a "few minutes" to realize your wife passed out??! I think most people would be able to notice this in under 20 seconds. And then do you leave your wife naked where you two are fooling around and just hump her unconscious body? NO. A good person in this situation quickly gets their shit together, makes sure wife has clothes on, and calls for help.

wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

Accept no one accused him of purposely doing that - wouldn't that be in Emily Doe's letter to him? It isn't. They were laying in a filthy area - littered with dirt and pine needles. The victim had them in her clothes, in her hair, she vividly remembers them falling off of her wherever she went at the hospital. She may have removed her own underwear and sat down on that debris and then it got pushed inside her when they were fooling around or after she passed out and he was still touching her body.

He was too drunk to be careful and she was too drunk to care. It was a mess of a night.

So now she may have taken off her own clothing.

It should be comforting to a lot of college boys that when your daughters , nieces, younger sisters go to college, a lot of cases of what could be sexual assault and rape will only be considered a hook up gone wrong and some of the posters here will be first in line to argue against any crime being committed.

Yes. Her underwear was off of her. Not torn off, but laying next to her. All he was doing to her was fingering her and if you believe some posters stuffing pine needles in her in advance of raping her....nothing like PIV with pine needles. Ouch!

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No. Somehow it is more plausible that this socially awkward horny 1st year student lured this older woman out of the party under the false pretenses of walking her home, knowing all along that she would pass out soon and he would have the opportunity to stuff her half naked body with pine needles...

Ha! Of course...

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What's sad to me is that things like this happened from time to time when I was in college in the 80s. No one called it assault. No one reported it. The women felt like crap for drinking too much or trusting the wrong guy. It's taking time but the perspective us changing. Emily Doe may end having a big effect on the national conversation. Good outcome to a bad event.

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.

If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.

At the point that your partner passes out, playtime is over. You have to stop. If you do not stop, it's rape.

Your defense of this guy makes you sound guilty as hell, BTW. How many drunk, unconscious women did you have sex with in college?

I am a woman. I also partied in college and can see this situation with the wisdom of hindsight. I'm not "defending" this guy for touching this woman in a sexual way while she was passed out - he was dead wrong and disgusting for doing that. He had no right to do that to her. And he should be in trouble for doing that to her.

At the same time, I am not giving this woman a blank check to drink as much as she wants when/wherever she wants and not be accountable for the damage that she does to herself and others in the process. Nor do I give her a pass for hooking up with an inexperienced underage drunk guy and laying the complete and total responsibility for that train wreck of a night at his feet. He bears responsibility for what HE actually did - sexual assault is extremely serious. But so does she - blacking out on a public street by a dumpster is pretty darned bad. And I mean out of control crazy bad. Neither one of these people behaved responsibly that night. They were BOTH out of control. And something bad DID happen and they have both paid a heavy price for it.

As for why this all occurred behind a gross dumpster - privacy. They wanted to fool around in privacy and they had nowhere else to go. Turns out it wasn't as private as they thought and they were both a heck of a lot more drunk than they thought. But the victim will move on from this night that she'll never remember. This guy will be branded for life and that will impact everything he does from here on out - jobs, marriage, kids, where he lives, the activities he participates in....it's pretty heavy stuff. I don't know that such a heavy penalty is warranted in this case because I think that there is some gray in this particular situation.

No no no. Just stop. This is not a case of people drunkenly fooling around. This is a case where a young woman drank more than she realized, became incapacitated, and was coerced to leave a party with a man who she'd just met who had been propositioning numerous other women at the party and who had been kicked out of a similar party recently for harassing women in the same way. She does not have to "be held accountable." He found a drunk girl and instead of taking her home, or to a hospital, he took her behind a dumpster, stripped her clothes off, and sexually assaulted her. Then when he was interrupted, he fled.

I don't understand the people on this thread who are hell-bent on making this a hook-up gone wrong. A jury saw all the evidence - photographs, testimony, police reports, victim impact statements, etc. - and decided that he was guilty of all charges. Three felonies, you guys. Do you know how hard it is to get a rape conviction? A jury unanimously convicting a privileged young white man of three violent felonies is a huge deal. He will branded for his entire life as a predator BECAUSE HE IS ONE. Maybe he can make changes and become something better, but in his adult life so far, what he is is a sexual predator who went to fraternity parties to get wasted and sexually harass women.

As for people saying that the sentencing judge's decision was totally cool, consider this. A person robs your house, gets interrupted and arrested immediately. The physical evidence is overwhelming enough to cause a jury to convict that person of three felonies, with a total prison sentence of up to 14 years in a state prison. The prosecution recommends that the robber serves 6 of those 14 years, presumably because there were concerns that the robber might not deserve to have the book thrown at him. However, the sentencing judge decides that even that is too long, and gives him 6 MONTHS. In a county jail. Meanwhile, your house was robbed. The sentencing judge's decision sends the message that the comfort of a convicted felon is more important than what happened to you.

In this country, we have a special kind of contempt for survivors of sexual assault and a really frightening amount of sympathy for sexual predators - provided that they are rich, young, and white.

Seems to me that a true predator would try to drug a girl or get her drunk while remaining stone-cold sober himself. Here, both the boy and the girl got shit-faced on their own volition and started fooling around. She passed out first, but he likely would have passed out himself in short order. But it's war on white males these days, so he gets charged and she gets a pass, when they both deserve to be shamed and embarrassed.

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Anonymous wrote:What's sad to me is that things like this happened from time to time when I was in college in the 80s. No one called it assault. No one reported it. The women felt like crap for drinking too much or trusting the wrong guy. It's taking time but the perspective us changing. Emily Doe may end having a big effect on the national conversation. Good outcome to a bad event.

Huh? Yes even back in the day it was frowned upon BIG TIME to sexually touch a passed out woman...or photograph her...or invite other guys in to look at her...whatever. Same with women and passed out men - it would have been frowned upon to touch a passed out guy's body/take pictures of him/invite the girls in to gawk at him. In general, college kids treat each other with decency thank goodness. But there are some that don't and they were viewed as a problem then just as much as they are now.

Women feel shame when this happens because they know that they drank way too much, allowed a guy that they didn't know to have access to their body, then passed out and lost complete control and memory over what may/may not have happened to them. And they have no way to know what happened or prove that anything happened much less who was responsible.

It has never been a good idea to get Black out drunk. And passing out outside on a public street by a dumpster is about as out of control as it gets.

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Anonymous wrote:What's sad to me is that things like this happened from time to time when I was in college in the 80s. No one called it assault. No one reported it. The women felt like crap for drinking too much or trusting the wrong guy. It's taking time but the perspective us changing. Emily Doe may end having a big effect on the national conversation. Good outcome to a bad event.

Huh? Yes even back in the day it was frowned upon BIG TIME to sexually touch a passed out woman...or photograph her...or invite other guys in to look at her...whatever. Same with women and passed out men - it would have been frowned upon to touch a passed out guy's body/take pictures of him/invite the girls in to gawk at him. In general, college kids treat each other with decency thank goodness. But there are some that don't and they were viewed as a problem then just as much as they are now.

Women feel shame when this happens because they know that they drank way too much, allowed a guy that they didn't know to have access to their body, then passed out and lost complete control and memory over what may/may not have happened to them. And they have no way to know what happened or prove that anything happened much less who was responsible.

It has never been a good idea to get Black out drunk. And passing out outside on a public street by a dumpster is about as out of control as it gets.

Hopefully, she'll get her alcohol problem addressed, along with therapy for her ordeal.

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Anonymous wrote:What's sad to me is that things like this happened from time to time when I was in college in the 80s. No one called it assault. No one reported it. The women felt like crap for drinking too much or trusting the wrong guy. It's taking time but the perspective us changing. Emily Doe may end having a big effect on the national conversation. Good outcome to a bad event.

Huh? Yes even back in the day it was frowned upon BIG TIME to sexually touch a passed out woman...or photograph her...or invite other guys in to look at her...whatever. Same with women and passed out men - it would have been frowned upon to touch a passed out guy's body/take pictures of him/invite the girls in to gawk at him. In general, college kids treat each other with decency thank goodness. But there are some that don't and they were viewed as a problem then just as much as they are now.

Women feel shame when this happens because they know that they drank way too much, allowed a guy that they didn't know to have access to their body, then passed out and lost complete control and memory over what may/may not have happened to them. And they have no way to know what happened or prove that anything happened much less who was responsible.

It has never been a good idea to get Black out drunk. And passing out outside on a public street by a dumpster is about as out of control as it gets.

I know what I saw and heard in college. I know the things that went on. You may say it was frowned upon big time. But honestly at my small private college in NE no one said much of anything. In my perspective things have vastly changed. You may have a different experience. But that does not make mine invalid

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.

If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.

At the point that your partner passes out, playtime is over. You have to stop. If you do not stop, it's rape.

Your defense of this guy makes you sound guilty as hell, BTW. How many drunk, unconscious women did you have sex with in college?

I am a woman. I also partied in college and can see this situation with the wisdom of hindsight. I'm not "defending" this guy for touching this woman in a sexual way while she was passed out - he was dead wrong and disgusting for doing that. He had no right to do that to her. And he should be in trouble for doing that to her.

At the same time, I am not giving this woman a blank check to drink as much as she wants when/wherever she wants and not be accountable for the damage that she does to herself and others in the process. Nor do I give her a pass for hooking up with an inexperienced underage drunk guy and laying the complete and total responsibility for that train wreck of a night at his feet. He bears responsibility for what HE actually did - sexual assault is extremely serious. But so does she - blacking out on a public street by a dumpster is pretty darned bad. And I mean out of control crazy bad. Neither one of these people behaved responsibly that night. They were BOTH out of control. And something bad DID happen and they have both paid a heavy price for it.

As for why this all occurred behind a gross dumpster - privacy. They wanted to fool around in privacy and they had nowhere else to go. Turns out it wasn't as private as they thought and they were both a heck of a lot more drunk than they thought. But the victim will move on from this night that she'll never remember. This guy will be branded for life and that will impact everything he does from here on out - jobs, marriage, kids, where he lives, the activities he participates in....it's pretty heavy stuff. I don't know that such a heavy penalty is warranted in this case because I think that there is some gray in this particular situation.

No no no. Just stop. This is not a case of people drunkenly fooling around. This is a case where a young woman drank more than she realized, became incapacitated, and was coerced to leave a party with a man who she'd just met who had been propositioning numerous other women at the party and who had been kicked out of a similar party recently for harassing women in the same way. She does not have to "be held accountable." He found a drunk girl and instead of taking her home, or to a hospital, he took her behind a dumpster, stripped her clothes off, and sexually assaulted her. Then when he was interrupted, he fled.

I don't understand the people on this thread who are hell-bent on making this a hook-up gone wrong. A jury saw all the evidence - photographs, testimony, police reports, victim impact statements, etc. - and decided that he was guilty of all charges. Three felonies, you guys. Do you know how hard it is to get a rape conviction? A jury unanimously convicting a privileged young white man of three violent felonies is a huge deal. He will branded for his entire life as a predator BECAUSE HE IS ONE. Maybe he can make changes and become something better, but in his adult life so far, what he is is a sexual predator who went to fraternity parties to get wasted and sexually harass women.

As for people saying that the sentencing judge's decision was totally cool, consider this. A person robs your house, gets interrupted and arrested immediately. The physical evidence is overwhelming enough to cause a jury to convict that person of three felonies, with a total prison sentence of up to 14 years in a state prison. The prosecution recommends that the robber serves 6 of those 14 years, presumably because there were concerns that the robber might not deserve to have the book thrown at him. However, the sentencing judge decides that even that is too long, and gives him 6 MONTHS. In a county jail. Meanwhile, your house was robbed. The sentencing judge's decision sends the message that the comfort of a convicted felon is more important than what happened to you.

In this country, we have a special kind of contempt for survivors of sexual assault and a really frightening amount of sympathy for sexual predators - provided that they are rich, young, and white.

Seems to me that a true predator would try to drug a girl or get her drunk while remaining stone-cold sober himself. Here, both the boy and the girl got shit-faced on their own volition and started fooling around. She passed out first, but he likely would have passed out himself in short or

der. But it's war on white males these days, so he gets charged and she gets a pass, when they both deserve to be shamed and embarrassed.

It's a war on white males????? He got a six month sentence. You think a black student would have got a six month sentence??

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Anonymous wrote:What's sad to me is that things like this happened from time to time when I was in college in the 80s. No one called it assault. No one reported it. The women felt like crap for drinking too much or trusting the wrong guy. It's taking time but the perspective us changing. Emily Doe may end having a big effect on the national conversation. Good outcome to a bad event.

Huh? Yes even back in the day it was frowned upon BIG TIME to sexually touch a passed out woman...or photograph her...or invite other guys in to look at her...whatever. Same with women and passed out men - it would have been frowned upon to touch a passed out guy's body/take pictures of him/invite the girls in to gawk at him. In general, college kids treat each other with decency thank goodness. But there are some that don't and they were viewed as a problem then just as much as they are now.

Women feel shame when this happens because they know that they drank way too much, allowed a guy that they didn't know to have access to their body, then passed out and lost complete control and memory over what may/may not have happened to them. And they have no way to know what happened or prove that anything happened much less who was responsible.

It has never been a good idea to get Black out drunk. And passing out outside on a public street by a dumpster is about as out of control as it gets.

I know what I saw and heard in college. I know the things that went on. You may say it was frowned upon big time. But honestly at my small private college in NE no one said much of anything. In my perspective things have vastly changed. You may have a different experience. But that does not make mine invalid

You could get yourself arrested and kicked out of school for being a part of this sort of thing - yes, sexually touching/abusing a passed out person was absolutely frowned on at the large public university that I went to.

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Anonymous wrote:What's sad to me is that things like this happened from time to time when I was in college in the 80s. No one called it assault. No one reported it. The women felt like crap for drinking too much or trusting the wrong guy. It's taking time but the perspective us changing. Emily Doe may end having a big effect on the national conversation. Good outcome to a bad event.

Huh? Yes even back in the day it was frowned upon BIG TIME to sexually touch a passed out woman...or photograph her...or invite other guys in to look at her...whatever. Same with women and passed out men - it would have been frowned upon to touch a passed out guy's body/take pictures of him/invite the girls in to gawk at him. In general, college kids treat each other with decency thank goodness. But there are some that don't and they were viewed as a problem then just as much as they are now.

Women feel shame when this happens because they know that they drank way too much, allowed a guy that they didn't know to have access to their body, then passed out and lost complete control and memory over what may/may not have happened to them. And they have no way to know what happened or prove that anything happened much less who was responsible.

It has never been a good idea to get Black out drunk. And passing out outside on a public street by a dumpster is about as out of control as it gets.

I know what I saw and heard in college. I know the things that went on. You may say it was frowned upon big time. But honestly at my small private college in NE no one said much of anything. In my perspective things have vastly changed. You may have a different experience. But that does not make mine invalid

You could get yourself arrested and kicked out of school for being a part of this sort of thing - yes, sexually touching/abusing a passed out person was absolutely frowned on at the large public university that I went to.

When I was in school, it was also greatly frowned upon for a woman to get really drunk and pass out.