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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.[/quote]

This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.[/quote]

If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster?  Probably because that is where they could have privacy.  Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?)  and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room.  No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and [b]saw him humping a passed out girl.[/b]  The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial.  That is my guess.[/quote]

At the point that your partner passes out, playtime is over. You have to stop. If you do not stop, it's rape.

Your defense of this guy makes you sound guilty as hell, BTW.  How many drunk, unconscious women did you have sex with in college?  [/quote]

I am a woman.  I also partied in college and can see this situation with the wisdom of hindsight.  I'm not "defending" this guy for touching this woman in a sexual way while she was passed out - he was dead wrong and disgusting for doing that.  He had no right to do that to her.  And he should be in trouble for doing that to her.

At the same time, I am not giving this woman a blank check to drink as much as she wants when/wherever she wants and not be accountable for the damage that she does to herself and others  in the process.  Nor do I give her a pass for hooking up with an inexperienced underage drunk guy and laying the complete and total responsibility for that train wreck of a night at his feet.  He bears responsibility for what HE actually did - sexual assault is extremely serious.  But so does she - blacking out on a public street by a dumpster is pretty darned bad.  And I mean out of control crazy bad.  Neither one of these people behaved responsibly that night.  They were BOTH out of control.  And something bad DID happen and they have both paid a heavy price for it.

As for why this all occurred behind a gross dumpster - privacy.  They wanted to fool around in privacy and they had nowhere else to go.  Turns out it wasn't as private as they thought and they were both a heck of a lot more drunk than they thought.  But the victim will move on from this night that she'll never remember.  This guy will be branded for life and that will impact everything he does from here on out - jobs, marriage, kids, where he lives, the activities he participates in....it's pretty heavy stuff.  I don't know that such a heavy penalty is warranted in this case because I think that there is some gray in this particular situation.

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No no no. Just stop. This is not a case of people drunkenly fooling around. This is a case where a young woman drank more than she realized, became incapacitated, and was coerced to leave a party with a man who she'd just met who had been propositioning numerous other women at the party and who had been kicked out of a similar party recently for harassing women in the same way. She does not have to "be held accountable." He found a drunk girl and instead of taking her home, or to a hospital, he took her behind a dumpster, stripped her clothes off, and sexually assaulted her. Then when he was interrupted, he fled.

I don't understand the people on this thread who are hell-bent on making this a hook-up gone wrong. A jury saw all the evidence - photographs, testimony, police reports, victim impact statements, etc. - and decided that he was guilty of all charges. Three felonies, you guys. Do you know how hard it is to get a rape conviction? A jury unanimously convicting a privileged young white man of three violent felonies is a huge deal. He will branded for his entire life as a predator BECAUSE HE IS ONE. Maybe he can make changes and become something better, but in his adult life so far, what he is is a sexual predator who went to fraternity parties to get wasted and sexually harass women.

As for people saying that the sentencing judge's decision was totally cool, consider this. A person robs your house, gets interrupted and arrested immediately. The physical evidence is overwhelming enough to cause a jury to convict that person of three felonies, with a total prison sentence of up to 14 years in a state prison. The prosecution recommends that the robber serves 6 of those 14 years, presumably because there were concerns that the robber might not deserve to have the book thrown at him. However, the sentencing judge decides that even that is too long, and gives him 6 MONTHS. In a county jail. Meanwhile, your house was robbed. The sentencing judge's decision sends the message that the comfort of a convicted felon is more important than what happened to you.

In this country, we have a special kind of contempt for survivors of sexual assault and a really frightening amount of sympathy for sexual predators - provided that they are rich, young, and white. [/quote]

Seems to me that a true predator would try to drug a girl or get her drunk while remaining stone-cold sober himself. Here, both the boy and the girl got shit-faced on their own volition and started fooling around.  She passed out first, but he likely would have passed out himself in short or

der.  But it's war on white males these days, so he gets charged and she gets a pass, when they both deserve to be shamed and embarrassed.[/quote]

It's a war on white males?????   He got a six month sentence.  You think a black student would have got a six month sentence?? [/quote]

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