That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.

If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.

At the point that your partner passes out, playtime is over. You have to stop. If you do not stop, it's rape.

Your defense of this guy makes you sound guilty as hell, BTW. How many drunk, unconscious women did you have sex with in college?

I am a woman. I also partied in college and can see this situation with the wisdom of hindsight. I'm not "defending" this guy for touching this woman in a sexual way while she was passed out - he was dead wrong and disgusting for doing that. He had no right to do that to her. And he should be in trouble for doing that to her.

At the same time, I am not giving this woman a blank check to drink as much as she wants when/wherever she wants and not be accountable for the damage that she does to herself and others in the process. Nor do I give her a pass for hooking up with an inexperienced underage drunk guy and laying the complete and total responsibility for that train wreck of a night at his feet. He bears responsibility for what HE actually did - sexual assault is extremely serious. But so does she - blacking out on a public street by a dumpster is pretty darned bad. And I mean out of control crazy bad. Neither one of these people behaved responsibly that night. They were BOTH out of control. And something bad DID happen and they have both paid a heavy price for it.

As for why this all occurred behind a gross dumpster - privacy. They wanted to fool around in privacy and they had nowhere else to go. Turns out it wasn't as private as they thought and they were both a heck of a lot more drunk than they thought. But the victim will move on from this night that she'll never remember. This guy will be branded for life and that will impact everything he does from here on out - jobs, marriage, kids, where he lives, the activities he participates in....it's pretty heavy stuff. I don't know that such a heavy penalty is warranted in this case because I think that there is some gray in this particular situation.

No no no. Just stop. This is not a case of people drunkenly fooling around. This is a case where a young woman drank more than she realized, became incapacitated, and was coerced to leave a party with a man who she'd just met who had been propositioning numerous other women at the party and who had been kicked out of a similar party recently for harassing women in the same way. She does not have to "be held accountable." He found a drunk girl and instead of taking her home, or to a hospital, he took her behind a dumpster, stripped her clothes off, and sexually assaulted her. Then when he was interrupted, he fled.

I don't understand the people on this thread who are hell-bent on making this a hook-up gone wrong. A jury saw all the evidence - photographs, testimony, police reports, victim impact statements, etc. - and decided that he was guilty of all charges. Three felonies, you guys. Do you know how hard it is to get a rape conviction? A jury unanimously convicting a privileged young white man of three violent felonies is a huge deal. He will branded for his entire life as a predator BECAUSE HE IS ONE. Maybe he can make changes and become something better, but in his adult life so far, what he is is a sexual predator who went to fraternity parties to get wasted and sexually harass women.

As for people saying that the sentencing judge's decision was totally cool, consider this. A person robs your house, gets interrupted and arrested immediately. The physical evidence is overwhelming enough to cause a jury to convict that person of three felonies, with a total prison sentence of up to 14 years in a state prison. The prosecution recommends that the robber serves 6 of those 14 years, presumably because there were concerns that the robber might not deserve to have the book thrown at him. However, the sentencing judge decides that even that is too long, and gives him 6 MONTHS. In a county jail. Meanwhile, your house was robbed. The sentencing judge's decision sends the message that the comfort of a convicted felon is more important than what happened to you.

In this country, we have a special kind of contempt for survivors of sexual assault and a really frightening amount of sympathy for sexual predators - provided that they are rich, young, and white.

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.

If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.

At the point that your partner passes out, playtime is over. You have to stop. If you do not stop, it's rape.

Your defense of this guy makes you sound guilty as hell, BTW. How many drunk, unconscious women did you have sex with in college?

I am a woman. I also partied in college and can see this situation with the wisdom of hindsight. I'm not "defending" this guy for touching this woman in a sexual way while she was passed out - he was dead wrong and disgusting for doing that. He had no right to do that to her. And he should be in trouble for doing that to her.

At the same time, I am not giving this woman a blank check to drink as much as she wants when/wherever she wants and not be accountable for the damage that she does to herself and others in the process. Nor do I give her a pass for hooking up with an inexperienced underage drunk guy and laying the complete and total responsibility for that train wreck of a night at his feet. He bears responsibility for what HE actually did - sexual assault is extremely serious. But so does she - blacking out on a public street by a dumpster is pretty darned bad. And I mean out of control crazy bad. Neither one of these people behaved responsibly that night. They were BOTH out of control. And something bad DID happen and they have both paid a heavy price for it.

As for why this all occurred behind a gross dumpster - privacy. They wanted to fool around in privacy and they had nowhere else to go. Turns out it wasn't as private as they thought and they were both a heck of a lot more drunk than they thought. But the victim will move on from this night that she'll never remember. This guy will be branded for life and that will impact everything he does from here on out - jobs, marriage, kids, where he lives, the activities he participates in....it's pretty heavy stuff. I don't know that such a heavy penalty is warranted in this case because I think that there is some gray in this particular situation.

No no no. Just stop. This is not a case of people drunkenly fooling around. This is a case where a young woman drank more than she realized, became incapacitated, and was coerced to leave a party with a man who she'd just met who had been propositioning numerous other women at the party and who had been kicked out of a similar party recently for harassing women in the same way. She does not have to "be held accountable." He found a drunk girl and instead of taking her home, or to a hospital, he took her behind a dumpster, stripped her clothes off, and sexually assaulted her. Then when he was interrupted, he fled.

I don't understand the people on this thread who are hell-bent on making this a hook-up gone wrong. A jury saw all the evidence - photographs, testimony, police reports, victim impact statements, etc. - and decided that he was guilty of all charges. Three felonies, you guys. Do you know how hard it is to get a rape conviction? A jury unanimously convicting a privileged young white man of three violent felonies is a huge deal. He will branded for his entire life as a predator BECAUSE HE IS ONE. Maybe he can make changes and become something better, but in his adult life so far, what he is is a sexual predator who went to fraternity parties to get wasted and sexually harass women.

As for people saying that the sentencing judge's decision was totally cool, consider this. A person robs your house, gets interrupted and arrested immediately. The physical evidence is overwhelming enough to cause a jury to convict that person of three felonies, with a total prison sentence of up to 14 years in a state prison. The prosecution recommends that the robber serves 6 of those 14 years, presumably because there were concerns that the robber might not deserve to have the book thrown at him. However, the sentencing judge decides that even that is too long, and gives him 6 MONTHS. In a county jail. Meanwhile, your house was robbed. The sentencing judge's decision sends the message that the comfort of a convicted felon is more important than what happened to you.

In this country, we have a special kind of contempt for survivors of sexual assault and a really frightening amount of sympathy for sexual predators - provided that they are rich, young, and white.

A 19 year old first year student was able to trick this full grown, intelligent college grad frat party veteran into leaving with him. Really? Ha, no she was kissing him and she LEFT with him willingly. To fool around. That is why she left with him.

The jury convicted this guy because of the swedes with the help of some mighty convoluted California law.

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did he actually penetrate her with his penis? or only fingers?

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.

If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.

At the point that your partner passes out, playtime is over. You have to stop. If you do not stop, it's rape.

Your defense of this guy makes you sound guilty as hell, BTW. How many drunk, unconscious women did you have sex with in college?

I am a woman. I also partied in college and can see this situation with the wisdom of hindsight. I'm not "defending" this guy for touching this woman in a sexual way while she was passed out - he was dead wrong and disgusting for doing that. He had no right to do that to her. And he should be in trouble for doing that to her.

At the same time, I am not giving this woman a blank check to drink as much as she wants when/wherever she wants and not be accountable for the damage that she does to herself and others in the process. Nor do I give her a pass for hooking up with an inexperienced underage drunk guy and laying the complete and total responsibility for that train wreck of a night at his feet. He bears responsibility for what HE actually did - sexual assault is extremely serious. But so does she - blacking out on a public street by a dumpster is pretty darned bad. And I mean out of control crazy bad. Neither one of these people behaved responsibly that night. They were BOTH out of control. And something bad DID happen and they have both paid a heavy price for it.

As for why this all occurred behind a gross dumpster - privacy. They wanted to fool around in privacy and they had nowhere else to go. Turns out it wasn't as private as they thought and they were both a heck of a lot more drunk than they thought. But the victim will move on from this night that she'll never remember. This guy will be branded for life and that will impact everything he does from here on out - jobs, marriage, kids, where he lives, the activities he participates in....it's pretty heavy stuff. I don't know that such a heavy penalty is warranted in this case because I think that there is some gray in this particular situation.

No no no. Just stop. This is not a case of people drunkenly fooling around. This is a case where a young woman drank more than she realized, became incapacitated, and was coerced to leave a party with a man who she'd just met who had been propositioning numerous other women at the party and who had been kicked out of a similar party recently for harassing women in the same way. She does not have to "be held accountable." He found a drunk girl and instead of taking her home, or to a hospital, he took her behind a dumpster, stripped her clothes off, and sexually assaulted her. Then when he was interrupted, he fled.

I don't understand the people on this thread who are hell-bent on making this a hook-up gone wrong. A jury saw all the evidence - photographs, testimony, police reports, victim impact statements, etc. - and decided that he was guilty of all charges. Three felonies, you guys. Do you know how hard it is to get a rape conviction? A jury unanimously convicting a privileged young white man of three violent felonies is a huge deal. He will branded for his entire life as a predator BECAUSE HE IS ONE. Maybe he can make changes and become something better, but in his adult life so far, what he is is a sexual predator who went to fraternity parties to get wasted and sexually harass women.

As for people saying that the sentencing judge's decision was totally cool, consider this. A person robs your house, gets interrupted and arrested immediately. The physical evidence is overwhelming enough to cause a jury to convict that person of three felonies, with a total prison sentence of up to 14 years in a state prison. The prosecution recommends that the robber serves 6 of those 14 years, presumably because there were concerns that the robber might not deserve to have the book thrown at him. However, the sentencing judge decides that even that is too long, and gives him 6 MONTHS. In a county jail. Meanwhile, your house was robbed. The sentencing judge's decision sends the message that the comfort of a convicted felon is more important than what happened to you.

In this country, we have a special kind of contempt for survivors of sexual assault and a really frightening amount of sympathy for sexual predators - provided that they are rich, young, and white.

A 19 year old first year student was able to trick this full grown, intelligent college grad frat party veteran into leaving with him. Really? Ha, no she was kissing him and she LEFT with him willingly. To fool around. That is why she left with him.

The jury convicted this guy because of the swedes with the help of some mighty convoluted California law.

No, I'm saying that a man whose predatory behavior had been escalating moved from sexually harassing women at a party to sexual assault. He is not willing to accept that what he did was assault, so congratulations. You and Brock Turner have something in common.

As for the "convoluted California law" I agree completely - he should've been convicted of rape. The law should not require a penis for rape to occur. When the emergency room is removing dirt and pine needles from a woman's vagina, RAPE HAS OCCURRED. When a man strips a woman down and violates her unconscious body with anything, RAPE HAS OCCURRED. That CA doesn't see it that way is pretty fucked up.

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Anyone defending this guy on this thread after this went through due process and resulted in a *conviction* is seriously fucked in the head. You people are dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:did he actually penetrate her with his penis? or only fingers?

Fingers. One of the counts, however, was intent to commit rape. The jury clearly agreed that he was just getting started when the Swedes showed up.

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wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

If he was fooling around with his wife outside, laying on dirt and a bunch of pine needles, he could easily get dirt and pine needles on his hand before fingering her.

Actually, no. Sorry. Fooled around in plenty of forests with my husband and you cannot convince me of that.

Maybe keep trying, maybe after a few more shots, maybe, right?

It's nice to defend your friend, but you really need to stop.

Wait - you think he stuffed dirt and pine needles into her vagina, separate from the fingering? You have a vivid imagination. A vivid, perverted imagination.

Not PP, but I agree with her.

There isn't another plausible explanation. The pervert is Brock Turner.

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Anonymous wrote:No no no. Just stop. This is not a case of people drunkenly fooling around. This is a case where a young woman drank more than she realized, became incapacitated, and was coerced to leave a party with a man who she'd just met who had been propositioning numerous other women at the party and who had been kicked out of a similar party recently for harassing women in the same way. She does not have to "be held accountable." He found a drunk girl and instead of taking her home, or to a hospital, he took her behind a dumpster, stripped her clothes off, and sexually assaulted her. Then when he was interrupted, he fled.

I don't understand the people on this thread who are hell-bent on making this a hook-up gone wrong. A jury saw all the evidence - photographs, testimony, police reports, victim impact statements, etc. - and decided that he was guilty of all charges. Three felonies, you guys. Do you know how hard it is to get a rape conviction? A jury unanimously convicting a privileged young white man of three violent felonies is a huge deal. He will branded for his entire life as a predator BECAUSE HE IS ONE. Maybe he can make changes and become something better, but in his adult life so far, what he is is a sexual predator who went to fraternity parties to get wasted and sexually harass women.

As for people saying that the sentencing judge's decision was totally cool, consider this. A person robs your house, gets interrupted and arrested immediately. The physical evidence is overwhelming enough to cause a jury to convict that person of three felonies, with a total prison sentence of up to 14 years in a state prison. The prosecution recommends that the robber serves 6 of those 14 years, presumably because there were concerns that the robber might not deserve to have the book thrown at him. However, the sentencing judge decides that even that is too long, and gives him 6 MONTHS. In a county jail. Meanwhile, your house was robbed. The sentencing judge's decision sends the message that the comfort of a convicted felon is more important than what happened to you.

In this country, we have a special kind of contempt for survivors of sexual assault and a really frightening amount of sympathy for sexual predators - provided that they are rich, young, and white.

This x10000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Frightening, horrible people defending this shitbag, worthless asshole. He should be locked up. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone defending this guy on this thread after this went through due process and resulted in a *conviction* is seriously fucked in the head. You people are dangerous.

There's some aging fratbros on here who clearly did similar things in their youth and are now defending him because they can't admit that some of their drunken encounters were rape.

There's a handful of women on here who would rather blame the victim than think that their fratbro husbands or their fratbro sons are rapists.

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wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

If he was fooling around with his wife outside, laying on dirt and a bunch of pine needles, he could easily get dirt and pine needles on his hand before fingering her.

Actually, no. Sorry. Fooled around in plenty of forests with my husband and you cannot convince me of that.

Maybe keep trying, maybe after a few more shots, maybe, right?

It's nice to defend your friend, but you really need to stop.

Wait - you think he stuffed dirt and pine needles into her vagina, separate from the fingering? You have a vivid imagination. A vivid, perverted imagination.

Not PP, but I agree with her.

There isn't another plausible explanation. The pervert is Brock Turner.

Have you read this entire thread? This was discussed a ways back. Having sex outside can be messy. Calm yourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:It would appear that she is a major alcoholic too. Not only was her BAC quite high (.24 is very very high) but she not only passed out but blacked out.

Passed out drunk is what normal people do.

Black out drunk is what serious alcoholics do. And by her own admission, this was not the first time she was blackout drunk.

So, based upon what many many posters to this site have said on many many occasions, she is a liar and nothing she says can be believed. Or is that only when it's your spouse (DH) who is the alcoholic?

Perhaps this was one of the many things the PO looked at when he/she wrote the pre-sentencing report recommending 6 months.

Obviously something wrong happened and Brock needs to be punished. What is appropriate, though, is a different question. And it seems that all things being equal, it is reasonable to follow the recommendation of the governmental authority that is charged with determining what an appropriate sentence is in accordance with the ends that the state establishes (punishment, retribution, rehabilitation, prevention of recidivism) rather than following the desire of the prosecution, whose only job is to secure convictions and vengeance.

Whatever. She needs rehab. I hope she gets it or she will find herself in a similarly bad situation. Or dead.

TIL: It's okay to rape a woman if she is an alcoholic

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wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

If he was fooling around with his wife outside, laying on dirt and a bunch of pine needles, he could easily get dirt and pine needles on his hand before fingering her.

Actually, no. Sorry. Fooled around in plenty of forests with my husband and you cannot convince me of that.

Maybe keep trying, maybe after a few more shots, maybe, right?

It's nice to defend your friend, but you really need to stop.

Wait - you think he stuffed dirt and pine needles into her vagina, separate from the fingering? You have a vivid imagination. A vivid, perverted imagination.

Not PP, but I agree with her.

There isn't another plausible explanation. The pervert is Brock Turner.

Have you read this entire thread? This was discussed a ways back. Having sex outside can be messy. Calm yourselves.

Yes, I've read the entire thread. Pine needles don't go in the vagina unless you put them there. (You do know the difference between a vagina and a vulva, right?)

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No no no. Just stop. This is not a case of people drunkenly fooling around. This is a case where a young woman drank more than she realized, became incapacitated, and was coerced to leave a party with a man who she'd just met who had been propositioning numerous other women at the party and who had been kicked out of a similar party recently for harassing women in the same way. She does not have to "be held accountable." He found a drunk girl and instead of taking her home, or to a hospital, he took her behind a dumpster, stripped her clothes off, and sexually assaulted her. Then when he was interrupted, he fled.

I don't understand the people on this thread who are hell-bent on making this a hook-up gone wrong. A jury saw all the evidence - photographs, testimony, police reports, victim impact statements, etc. - and decided that he was guilty of all charges. Three felonies, you guys. Do you know how hard it is to get a rape conviction? A jury unanimously convicting a privileged young white man of three violent felonies is a huge deal. He will branded for his entire life as a predator BECAUSE HE IS ONE. Maybe he can make changes and become something better, but in his adult life so far, what he is is a sexual predator who went to fraternity parties to get wasted and sexually harass women.

As for people saying that the sentencing judge's decision was totally cool, consider this. A person robs your house, gets interrupted and arrested immediately. The physical evidence is overwhelming enough to cause a jury to convict that person of three felonies, with a total prison sentence of up to 14 years in a state prison. The prosecution recommends that the robber serves 6 of those 14 years, presumably because there were concerns that the robber might not deserve to have the book thrown at him. However, the sentencing judge decides that even that is too long, and gives him 6 MONTHS. In a county jail. Meanwhile, your house was robbed. The sentencing judge's decision sends the message that the comfort of a convicted felon is more important than what happened to you.

In this country, we have a special kind of contempt for survivors of sexual assault and a really frightening amount of sympathy for sexual predators - provided that they are rich, young, and white.

In your example, if a robber breaks into my house but doesn't steal anything, then I don't think a 14 year or 6 year sentence is appropriate.

I also don't think equating this crime with every other rape crime is helpful. Whether he was a drunk freshman looking to hook up and, at the crucial moment, made the wrong decision, or whether he is a sicko creep escalating to worse crimes, in this instance, all we can go with is what happened. Which is ugly, but it was just a hook up that he took too far.

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Anonymous wrote:Another major problem that this case should highlight is admissions standards for athletes. Brock's statement was so poorly written it's hard to believe he is a college student, much less at a top university. I was a swimmer so I know how he got there but it's a disgrace. Maybe he is smarter than he came across but if not he has no business being at the school.

The judge was a Stanford athlete also.

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Anonymous wrote:did he actually penetrate her with his penis? or only fingers?

Fingers. And I don't think it's clear if that happened before or after she passed out.