PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

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Anonymous wrote:I think that if Christians are going to try to co-opt our Passover Seders, they should at least be forced to eat gefilte fish.

Seems only fair!

And eat matzah/Kosher for Passover for the entire week.

And don’t forget ALL the glasses of Manischewitz! They better not skimp!

Goys, that’s 4 glasses of wine per adult during Seder.

My Christian dad likes Manischewitz. He calls it his grape juice.

Wow really? I can’t imagine anyone choosing to drink it!

Amazing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that if Christians are going to try to co-opt our Passover Seders, they should at least be forced to eat gefilte fish.

Seems only fair!

And eat matzah/Kosher for Passover for the entire week.

And don’t forget ALL the glasses of Manischewitz! They better not skimp!

Goys, that’s 4 glasses of wine per adult during Seder.

My Christian dad likes Manischewitz. He calls it his grape juice.

Wow really? I can’t imagine anyone choosing to drink it!

Amazing.

He drinks it out of a juice glass!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

Nice to see you being so respectful of other people.

How is it respectful for YOU to try to tell others what to call gatherings held at THEIR church? Tell me how that is respectful.

The whole "as long as" or "well then do this" attitude of some on this thread is extremely disrespectful. It's basically mansplaining, if you will. I am part of a faith community that traditionally hosts a Passover Supper. You don't have to approve of that. You don't have to like that. It doesn't have to please you.

Just like the Jewish practice of circumcision (which yes, I know is practiced by many religions, including Christianity) doesn't have to please me. It's not a choice I made for my family, but I'm not out here criticizing or telling you not to or giving you conditions. You do you. I do me. That's respect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh who cares!! As a Jew, I’m delighted for anyone to host whatever they want. Just let me know what I can bring. We all need more warm events with family/friends.

I am with you pp! More celebrations and inclusiveness.

Op. Just mind your own business and spend less time scolding what others do. And I say this as someone who does not hold a seder.

It’s not inclusiveness to claim that the Passover seder (which is a Jewish religious ceremony) is actually a Christian religious tradition. I’m surprised so many people have a hard time understanding this. Given the history of oppression of Jewish people by Christians, it’s clear why many Jews would be pretty sensitive about this. Inclusiveness would be a Christian making efforts at actual interfaith connections and being invited to attend a Jewish seder as a guest. Not claiming “Jesus was a Jew so Judaism is basically a lesser version of Christianity!” Plus - the Passover seder is theologically incompatible with Christianity. It’s about God’s protection of the Jewish people who await the Medsiah - whereas Christianity believes Jesus is the Messiah, the Paschal sacridicial amb. You already HAVE a holiday celebrating Jesus’s celebration of Passover and his role as the Paschal sacrificd ... it’s called EASTER.

Yes! This articulates it perfectly.

It’s really not a good look to tell a minority asking for their traditions to be respected to basically STFU.

I'm guessing the two of you have never heard of Jews for Jesus. I mean, people can believe and practice whatever they want - we don't really get a say. (I'm a regular reform Jew, not a Jew for Jesus, but I think we have other, more pressing things to worry about, like the Qanon psychos and their vile antisemitic rhetoric).

Jews for Jesus are Christians. If you think you can coopt all Jewish religious practices into Christianity because of Jews for Jesus I don’t know what to tell you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

Nice to see you being so respectful of other people.

How is it respectful for YOU to try to tell others what to call gatherings held at THEIR church? Tell me how that is respectful.

The whole "as long as" or "well then do this" attitude of some on this thread is extremely disrespectful. It's basically mansplaining, if you will. I am part of a faith community that traditionally hosts a Passover Supper. You don't have to approve of that. You don't have to like that. It doesn't have to please you.

Just like the Jewish practice of circumcision (which yes, I know is practiced by many religions, including Christianity) doesn't have to please me. It's not a choice I made for my family, but I'm not out here criticizing or telling you not to or giving you conditions. You do you. I do me. That's respect.

I posted several articles explaining why it’s disrespectful.

Maybe read them and learn.

Would you like it if someone burned a Cross under the guise of their religion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that if Christians are going to try to co-opt our Passover Seders, they should at least be forced to eat gefilte fish.

Seems only fair!

And eat matzah/Kosher for Passover for the entire week.

And don’t forget ALL the glasses of Manischewitz! They better not skimp!

Goys, that’s 4 glasses of wine per adult during Seder.

My Christian dad likes Manischewitz. He calls it his grape juice.

Wow really? I can’t imagine anyone choosing to drink it!

Amazing.

He drinks it out of a juice glass!

Haha! I love it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

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Why not see if you can go to one of her classmate’s homes? I understand COVID makes that difficult, but after the pandemic ends that would be a better way of learning about it, than trying to do something you’re not familiar with.

Even without a pandemic, it takes chutzpah to ask if your Christian family can attend someone’s Seder. Lots of people wouldn’t mind, but some would.

Exactly. "See if you can go" = "invite yourself."

For Orthodox Jews and for many non-Orthodox Jews, Passover requires a lot of preparation and very deliberate food budgeting because so many of the usual foods are off limits and it is best to buy food ahead of time. Also, for many it is an extended family occasion where people are getting to see relatives once or twice a year that they don't regularly see and many people are hosting sleepover guests (maybe less now during COVID). Also, this year Passover starts on Saturday night, which means many people will need to have their preparations done today and have had their shopping done for days already. Adding two more adults to a seder (the little kid doesn't really count) on zero days notice is not something I would advise PP to ask of even a close friend unless it was an emergency, and certainly not just out of curiosity.

But I think the non-Jewish PP should feel free to do your own seder type thing based on what your child is learning at preschool. Or you could attend a virtual seder that is open to all, as many probably are.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren't Christian (raised Catholic, both now agnostic) but our kid goes to a Jewish preschool and they've been talking about Passover all week. So we're going to do a little Passover seder at home tomorrow so we can all learn a little more about it.

It's not a "Christian Seder" and we aren't inserting Jesus into it at all. More just a way to learn about the tradition and for our kid to apply some of what she learned at school in a respectful way. She knows we are not Jewish, but that her school is Jewish and that some of the people there (including her teachers and the rabbi who comes to visit on Fridays for a small shabbat celebration they do) are.

Anyway, not asking for permission, just noting that there are reasons non-Jewish people might celebrate passover in a way that isn't automatically disrespectful. But yes, I can see how trying to claim the seder as a Christian tradition is disrespectful.

Why not see if you can go to one of her classmate’s homes? I understand COVID makes that difficult, but after the pandemic ends that would be a better way of learning about it, than trying to do something you’re not familiar with.

Even without a pandemic, it takes chutzpah to ask if your Christian family can attend someone’s Seder. Lots of people wouldn’t mind, but some would.

I’m sure in non-covid times the preschool or congregation would have a community seder PP could go to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

Nice to see you being so respectful of other people.

How is it respectful for YOU to try to tell others what to call gatherings held at THEIR church? Tell me how that is respectful.

The whole "as long as" or "well then do this" attitude of some on this thread is extremely disrespectful. It's basically mansplaining, if you will. I am part of a faith community that traditionally hosts a Passover Supper. You don't have to approve of that. You don't have to like that. It doesn't have to please you.

Just like the Jewish practice of circumcision (which yes, I know is practiced by many religions, including Christianity) doesn't have to please me. It's not a choice I made for my family, but I'm not out here criticizing or telling you not to or giving you conditions. You do you. I do me. That's respect.

I posted several articles explaining why it’s disrespectful.

Maybe read them and learn.

Would you like it if someone burned a Cross under the guise of their religion?

That would not bother me in the least. It has nothing to do with me. It doesn't diminish my faith in any way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

Nice to see you being so respectful of other people.

How is it respectful for YOU to try to tell others what to call gatherings held at THEIR church? Tell me how that is respectful.

The whole "as long as" or "well then do this" attitude of some on this thread is extremely disrespectful. It's basically mansplaining, if you will. I am part of a faith community that traditionally hosts a Passover Supper. You don't have to approve of that. You don't have to like that. It doesn't have to please you.

Just like the Jewish practice of circumcision (which yes, I know is practiced by many religions, including Christianity) doesn't have to please me. It's not a choice I made for my family, but I'm not out here criticizing or telling you not to or giving you conditions. You do you. I do me. That's respect.

jfc dude. it’s called easter. EASTER. you don’t need to have a “Christian Passover supper.” You can have an EASTER liturgy where you read the Passion and Exodus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

[Anonymous]

This is America. People can do whatever they want, and call it whatever they want.

[Anonymous]

the one lesson I take from this is that many, many Christians are hopelessly confused and uneducated about their own religion.