DC data on learning loss

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Anonymous wrote:The summer slide is known and well researched, right? How could anyone think that there isn't a learning loss associated with schools being closed/severely limited for an extended period of time? I don't understand people arguing that the data isn't real. You may think it's an acceptable trade off for safety in these circumstances, but that doesn't mean it isn't real.

The data is real and long. I don't know why people haven't become more in favor of a 12 month calendar. Maybe a month ish off in the winter and summer a couple other 1-3 week breaks. It would all even out once daycare providers and camps adjusted.

I certainly wish what they have in Germany: 6 weeks in the summer, 2 weeks in October, 2 weeks over Christmas, 1 week in February, 3 weeks around Easter. Makes so much more sense and is better for the kids than this antiquated, agricultural child labor focused American summer.

Mothers don't work full-time there. So you can have those kinds of incredibly inconvenient-for-working-parents calendars. Speaking of antiquated.

It is hilarious that you think that America is somehow more modern and friendly to working mothers than Germany, when it is Germany that offers subsidized, affordable daycare, and even offers subsidized daycare for school-aged children during those breaks that are distributed throughout the year. My family in Germany almost faints when I tell them what we have to shell out for camp every summer.

Mothers work full-time at lower rates, and are almost non-existent in top jobs. https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2020/0923/Why-does-Germany-make-so-little-room-for-working-moms

Subsided child care doesn't mean you can actually find a slot, or that it covers the hours you're working.

Is that "modern and friendly to working mothers"? If you want to work part-time for pocket money, sure.

It is still ridiculous to suggest that the long American summer break is evidence of our country’s greater accommodation of working moms - that is not how this practice evolved. We could have the breaks distributed throughout the year and still send the kids to camps that would be offered to accommodate that schedule. It is also not convincing to argue that a country that offers affordable daycare is not hostile to the idea of dual income families. It is true that in rural areas it may be hard to come by daycare spots, especially full-time, but in urban centers that is not usually a problem. I would guess the same is true in the US. Finally, the pandemic has certainly proven that Americans ultimately don’t give a hoot about the careers of women.

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* hard to argue a country is hostile, not “not hostile “

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Anonymous wrote:From the New York Times:

"Many of the common preconditions to opening schools — including vaccines for teachers or students, and low rates of infection in the community — are not necessary to safely teach children in person, a consensus of pediatric infectious disease experts said in a new survey.

Instead, the 175 experts — mostly pediatricians focused on public health — largely agreed that it was safe for schools to be open for elementary students for full-time and in-person instruction now....

Most believe the extent of virus spread in a community is not an important indicator of whether schools should be open, even though many districts still rely on that metric. Schools should close only when there are Covid-19 cases in the school itself, most said..."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/upshot/schools-reopening-coronavirus-experts.html

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Anonymous wrote:See pages 4-5 and 12-14.

"Overall 11% point drop in students meeting benchmarks on DIBELS in grades K-2 at the beginning of year (BOY) compared to last year at BOY;
in Kindergarten there is an 11% point drop, in 1st grade a 12% point drop, and in 2nd grade a 7% point drop.
● Cohort to cohort comparisons from last year’s mid-year point to BOY this year show a 20%-point drop in the % of 1st graders meeting benchmarks at BOY compared to their 19-20
performance as middle of year (MOY) K students.
● 15%-point drop in this year’s 2nd-grade cohort meeting benchmarks at BOY compared to their performance as 1st-grade students at MOY in 19-20.
● Achievement gaps in early literacy (K-2) have grown during the pandemic:
○ The early literacy gap between Black and White students has grown from 28% to 35%.
○ The early literacy gap between Latino and White students has grown from 30% to 37%.
● Black and Latino students (K-2) have fallen behind at a higher rate than White students:
○ Black students in K-2 meeting early literacy benchmarks have decreased by 14%compared to 6% for White students.
○ The percent of Latino students in K-2 meeting early literacy benchmarks has decreased by 13% points compared to 6% points for White students."

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gb0k62G4R7a3spCuMu8H-EHJM_0oUN5D/view?fbclid=IwAR3DrfHJdHvMSs5pPzkWbOEN7VX5ZinHnVsGizd4sEdpXZaO6HMPIQZTgIg

Tattoo this on Elizabeth Davis's forehead

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Thanks, WTU! Great work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:See pages 4-5 and 12-14.

"Overall 11% point drop in students meeting benchmarks on DIBELS in grades K-2 at the beginning of year (BOY) compared to last year at BOY;
in Kindergarten there is an 11% point drop, in 1st grade a 12% point drop, and in 2nd grade a 7% point drop.
● Cohort to cohort comparisons from last year’s mid-year point to BOY this year show a 20%-point drop in the % of 1st graders meeting benchmarks at BOY compared to their 19-20
performance as middle of year (MOY) K students.
● 15%-point drop in this year’s 2nd-grade cohort meeting benchmarks at BOY compared to their performance as 1st-grade students at MOY in 19-20.
● Achievement gaps in early literacy (K-2) have grown during the pandemic:
○ The early literacy gap between Black and White students has grown from 28% to 35%.
○ The early literacy gap between Latino and White students has grown from 30% to 37%.
● Black and Latino students (K-2) have fallen behind at a higher rate than White students:
○ Black students in K-2 meeting early literacy benchmarks have decreased by 14%compared to 6% for White students.
○ The percent of Latino students in K-2 meeting early literacy benchmarks has decreased by 13% points compared to 6% points for White students."

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gb0k62G4R7a3spCuMu8H-EHJM_0oUN5D/view?fbclid=IwAR3DrfHJdHvMSs5pPzkWbOEN7VX5ZinHnVsGizd4sEdpXZaO6HMPIQZTgIg

Tattoo this on Elizabeth Davis's forehead

+1. These numbers are terrible. 100% that the reality is that it’s much worst than this.

I’m sure not all the kids were assessed either. All the kids not logging in or engaging in DL did not even participate.

[Anonymous]

Schools in NYC have been open for months. Sounds like it's going FAR better than the teachers union predicted. Maybe everyone should just stop listening to teachers unions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/nyregion/coronavirus-elementary-school-reopening.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools in NYC have been open for months. Sounds like it's going FAR better than the teachers union predicted. Maybe everyone should just stop listening to teachers unions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/nyregion/coronavirus-elementary-school-reopening.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Remember when WTU sent body bags to DC officials that read "your favorite teacher." Ha. WTU has been wrong about everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools in NYC have been open for months. Sounds like it's going FAR better than the teachers union predicted. Maybe everyone should just stop listening to teachers unions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/nyregion/coronavirus-elementary-school-reopening.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Remember when WTU sent body bags to DC officials that read "your favorite teacher." Ha. WTU has been wrong about everything.

At least I know the DCPS drama program is strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools in NYC have been open for months. Sounds like it's going FAR better than the teachers union predicted. Maybe everyone should just stop listening to teachers unions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/nyregion/coronavirus-elementary-school-reopening.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Remember when WTU sent body bags to DC officials that read "your favorite teacher." Ha. WTU has been wrong about everything.

Unfortunately the unions destroyed a lot of goodwill with parents, and for what?! A couple more months of staying at home?! To many concerned families teachers now just look like another self-interested industry lobby that did not come through for our kids when it really mattered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The summer slide is known and well researched, right? How could anyone think that there isn't a learning loss associated with schools being closed/severely limited for an extended period of time? I don't understand people arguing that the data isn't real. You may think it's an acceptable trade off for safety in these circumstances, but that doesn't mean it isn't real.

The data is real and long. I don't know why people haven't become more in favor of a 12 month calendar. Maybe a month ish off in the winter and summer a couple other 1-3 week breaks. It would all even out once daycare providers and camps adjusted.

I certainly wish what they have in Germany: 6 weeks in the summer, 2 weeks in October, 2 weeks over Christmas, 1 week in February, 3 weeks around Easter. Makes so much more sense and is better for the kids than this antiquated, agricultural child labor focused American summer.

Mothers don't work full-time there. So you can have those kinds of incredibly inconvenient-for-working-parents calendars. Speaking of antiquated.

It is hilarious that you think that America is somehow more modern and friendly to working mothers than Germany, when it is Germany that offers subsidized, affordable daycare, and even offers subsidized daycare for school-aged children during those breaks that are distributed throughout the year. My family in Germany almost faints when I tell them what we have to shell out for camp every summer.

Mothers work full-time at lower rates, and are almost non-existent in top jobs. https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2020/0923/Why-does-Germany-make-so-little-room-for-working-moms

Subsided child care doesn't mean you can actually find a slot, or that it covers the hours you're working.

Is that "modern and friendly to working mothers"? If you want to work part-time for pocket money, sure.

It is still ridiculous to suggest that the long American summer break is evidence of our country’s greater accommodation of working moms - that is not how this practice evolved. We could have the breaks distributed throughout the year and still send the kids to camps that would be offered to accommodate that schedule. It is also not convincing to argue that a country that offers affordable daycare is not hostile to the idea of dual income families. It is true that in rural areas it may be hard to come by daycare spots, especially full-time, but in urban centers that is not usually a problem. I would guess the same is true in the US. Finally, the pandemic has certainly proven that Americans ultimately don’t give a hoot about the careers of women.

+1 The current American school calendar does not accommodate or favor working parents, especially working mothers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools in NYC have been open for months. Sounds like it's going FAR better than the teachers union predicted. Maybe everyone should just stop listening to teachers unions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/nyregion/coronavirus-elementary-school-reopening.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Remember when WTU sent body bags to DC officials that read "your favorite teacher." Ha. WTU has been wrong about everything.

Unfortunately the unions destroyed a lot of goodwill with parents, and for what?! A couple more months of staying at home?! To many concerned families teachers now just look like another self-interested industry lobby that did not come through for our kids when it really mattered.

Like your goodwill means anything to teachers at title 1 schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools in NYC have been open for months. Sounds like it's going FAR better than the teachers union predicted. Maybe everyone should just stop listening to teachers unions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/nyregion/coronavirus-elementary-school-reopening.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Remember when WTU sent body bags to DC officials that read "your favorite teacher." Ha. WTU has been wrong about everything.

Unfortunately the unions destroyed a lot of goodwill with parents, and for what?! A couple more months of staying at home?! To many concerned families teachers now just look like another self-interested industry lobby that did not come through for our kids when it really mattered.

Like your goodwill means anything to teachers at title 1 schools.

A public sector union needs public support. If the public is against you, then politicians have the incentive to make unfavorable changes to your working conditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools in NYC have been open for months. Sounds like it's going FAR better than the teachers union predicted. Maybe everyone should just stop listening to teachers unions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/nyregion/coronavirus-elementary-school-reopening.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Remember when WTU sent body bags to DC officials that read "your favorite teacher." Ha. WTU has been wrong about everything.

At least I know the DCPS drama program is strong.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools in NYC have been open for months. Sounds like it's going FAR better than the teachers union predicted. Maybe everyone should just stop listening to teachers unions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/nyregion/coronavirus-elementary-school-reopening.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Remember when WTU sent body bags to DC officials that read "your favorite teacher." Ha. WTU has been wrong about everything.

At least I know the DCPS drama program is strong.

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