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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The summer slide is known and well researched, right? How could anyone think that there isn't a learning loss associated with schools being closed/severely limited for an extended period of time? I don't understand people arguing that the data isn't real. You may think it's an acceptable trade off for safety in these circumstances, but that doesn't mean it isn't real. [/quote]

The data is real and long. I don't know why people haven't become more in favor of a 12 month calendar.   Maybe a month ish off in the winter and summer  a couple other 1-3 week breaks. It would all even out once daycare providers and camps adjusted.

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I certainly wish what they have in Germany: 6 weeks in the summer, 2 weeks in October, 2 weeks over Christmas, 1 week in February, 3 weeks around Easter. Makes so much more sense and is better for the kids than this antiquated, agricultural child labor focused American summer.[/quote]

Mothers don't work full-time there. So you can have those kinds of incredibly inconvenient-for-working-parents calendars. Speaking of antiquated. [/quote]

It is hilarious that you think that America is somehow more modern and friendly to working mothers than Germany, when it is Germany that offers subsidized, affordable daycare, and even offers subsidized daycare for school-aged children during those breaks that are distributed throughout the year. My family in Germany almost faints when I tell them what we have to shell out for camp every summer.[/quote]

Mothers work full-time at lower rates, and are almost non-existent in top jobs. https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2020/0923/Why-does-Germany-make-so-little-room-for-working-moms

Subsided child care doesn't mean you can actually find a slot, or that it covers the hours you're working.

Is that "modern and friendly to working mothers"? If you want to work part-time for pocket money, sure.

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It is still ridiculous to suggest that the long American summer break is evidence of our country’s greater accommodation of working moms - that is not how this practice evolved. We could have the breaks distributed throughout the year and still send the kids to camps that would be offered to accommodate that schedule. It is also not convincing to argue that a country that offers affordable daycare is not hostile to the idea of dual income families. It is true that in rural areas it may be hard to come by daycare spots, especially full-time, but in urban centers that is not usually a problem. I would guess the same is true in the US. Finally, the pandemic has certainly proven that Americans ultimately don’t give a hoot about the careers of women.[/quote]

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