Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice

[Anonymous]

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Yes, I'm aware that common sense may not be true without proof. Even so, that's my best Bayesian probability estimate, if that makes you happier In any case if you don't agree with my opinion feel free to provide counter evidence (which would be hard to get since schools don't track "disruptive" metric), or provide your alternate belief of what might be true.

No, that's not a Bayesian probability estimate, it's your opinion. You get to have your opinion. Everybody gets to have their opinion. But it's not data.

Sure it is, it's my prior. Provide some data and I'll give you the posterior as well

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

Exactly and everybody is posting about violent criminals which has nothing to do with this... this is only for kids with minor issues in school.

Dude, did you forget to read the multiple postings by a bunch of teachers outlining how they got verbally and physically assaulted by *middle school* students? And the other teachers who feared talking to them in hallways because they looked like they were ready to attack them? Do you consider these minor issues? Many of these incidents are indeed crimes and would be prosecuted outside the school halls.

This is what I find crazy. My kids come home and tell me stories from MS that if anything’s like that happened to me at work or on a bus, I would one hundred percent be calling the police.

Kids assaulting other kids. Kids throwing things at teachers.

[Anonymous]

Is there teacher and admin bias? Likely some, but they’ve had a lot of training already and have a lot of oversight by central office on discipline.It’s really unfair that MCPS continues to blame the teachers for EVERYTHING.

There are many, many kids who’ve sufffered trauma, have unmet special needs etc. These are likely the kids getting suspended.

Unfortunately, probably none of this is going to get better unless MCPS adds a lot of staff to the problem schools. If the schools were smaller, admin and teachers could head off many problems before they happen. But with the enormous schools in MoCo, kids get away with a lot and get into trouble.

This is a big circle that isn’t going to get better until they hire more teachers, counselors, social workers etc to work with the kids who need it. Or let the charter schools in to create smaller schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

More education. And more admin support and involvement when behavior issues come that impact education in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

Exactly and everybody is posting about violent criminals which has nothing to do with this... this is only for kids with minor issues in school.

Dude, did you forget to read the multiple postings by a bunch of teachers outlining how they got verbally and physically assaulted by *middle school* students? And the other teachers who feared talking to them in hallways because they looked like they were ready to attack them? Do you consider these minor issues? Many of these incidents are indeed crimes and would be prosecuted outside the school halls.

This is what I find crazy. My kids come home and tell me stories from MS that if anything’s like that happened to me at work or on a bus, I would one hundred percent be calling the police.

Kids assaulting other kids. Kids throwing things at teachers.

Agree! My kids (6 and 8th) see kids tripping other teachers, putting crap on their desks, walking out of class, cursing at them, using cell phones and not putting them away. I mean the stories are unreal. When a child has ZERO consequences at home, he/she is more than likely not going to care. The attention they crave is all the kids laughing at them being little a-holes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

Not the PP, but a mandatory parent or guardian sit-in for a school day. Or at least half day. County-wide. Just like jury duty. Show a letter to employer. Instead of suspension, the parent needs to come in and spend the day with the student. Observe each class from the back, watch lunch, PE, etc...

Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

[Anonymous]

I think if behavior gets worse, people are going to create their own schools like they are doing in Florida. Given the demographics and who has control of resources, these schools will be disproportionately white and Asian.

[Anonymous]

Don't worry folks. It turns out that there was a definitive study done in the mid 1980's that explains everything. One of the major takeaways was that "When white people are alone, they give things to each other.... for free!". You gotta check it out https://youtu.be/l_LeJfn_qW0

[Anonymous]

What happens on social media happens irl. The kids are being parented by the content of social media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

Depends on the diagnosis, though. A lot of kids act out mainly in school due to separation anxiety or school-based social anxiety, etc. Sometimes it is specific to just one class or time of day. In such cases it's much harder for the parents to do much other than give suggestions and maybe break out the Zoloft. Different story if the child is also acting out at home in the same ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

Depends on the diagnosis, though. A lot of kids act out mainly in school due to separation anxiety or school-based social anxiety, etc. Sometimes it is specific to just one class or time of day. In such cases it's much harder for the parents to do much other than give suggestions and maybe break out the Zoloft. Different story if the child is also acting out at home in the same ways.

Most of those kids definitely are no angels at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

Depends on the diagnosis, though. A lot of kids act out mainly in school due to separation anxiety or school-based social anxiety, etc. Sometimes it is specific to just one class or time of day. In such cases it's much harder for the parents to do much other than give suggestions and maybe break out the Zoloft. Different story if the child is also acting out at home in the same ways.

Most of those kids definitely are no angels at home.

Do you know most of them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

Depends on the diagnosis, though. A lot of kids act out mainly in school due to separation anxiety or school-based social anxiety, etc. Sometimes it is specific to just one class or time of day. In such cases it's much harder for the parents to do much other than give suggestions and maybe break out the Zoloft. Different story if the child is also acting out at home in the same ways.

Most of those kids definitely are no angels at home.

Do you know most of them?

Yes, I have to speak with their moms.