Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice

[Anonymous]

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Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

When I got in trouble at school, my parents were called in during the day. They met with each of my teachers. If they didn't come or things didn't improve, the school would escalate to possibly sending me to the remedial school. Is that not done anymore?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
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Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

When I got in trouble at school, my parents were called in during the day. They met with each of my teachers. If they didn't come or things didn't improve, the school would escalate to possibly sending me to the remedial school. Is that not done anymore?

Yeah I don't think they can do it anymore due to capacity issues, there's LOTS of kids in trouble and no place where they all could go..

[Anonymous]

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Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

When I got in trouble at school, my parents were called in during the day. They met with each of my teachers. If they didn't come or things didn't improve, the school would escalate to possibly sending me to the remedial school. Is that not done anymore?

Yeah I don't think they can do it anymore due to capacity issues, there's LOTS of kids in trouble and no place where they all could go..

It's also considered raciat these days.

[Anonymous]

DCUM never ceases to amaze me. When teachers seem to be complaining about spoiled white kids, the response is that teachers are whiners who make six figures even though they just show movies and only work 7 hours a day 9 months a year. But as soon as teachers complain about black and brown kids, suddenly teachers only make $50k and are in constant mortal danger as they selflessly attempt to educate the ungrateful masses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCUM never ceases to amaze me. When teachers seem to be complaining about spoiled white kids, the response is that teachers are whiners who make six figures even though they just show movies and only work 7 hours a day 9 months a year. But as soon as teachers complain about black and brown kids, suddenly teachers only make $50k and are in constant mortal danger as they selflessly attempt to educate the ungrateful masses.

That's because it's all relative; in one instance teachers can't keep up with the spoiled white kids (or at least with their tiger parents), while in another the black/brown kids can't keep up with the teachers. And the straggler always gets the blame on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCUM never ceases to amaze me. When teachers seem to be complaining about spoiled white kids, the response is that teachers are whiners who make six figures even though they just show movies and only work 7 hours a day 9 months a year. But as soon as teachers complain about black and brown kids, suddenly teachers only make $50k and are in constant mortal danger as they selflessly attempt to educate the ungrateful masses.

The even funnier part is no matter what the school system does these same people complain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM never ceases to amaze me. When teachers seem to be complaining about spoiled white kids, the response is that teachers are whiners who make six figures even though they just show movies and only work 7 hours a day 9 months a year. But as soon as teachers complain about black and brown kids, suddenly teachers only make $50k and are in constant mortal danger as they selflessly attempt to educate the ungrateful masses.

The even funnier part is no matter what the school system does these same people complain.

It's different people complaining in the different threads. In this thread it's the high farm parents and teachers complaining. In the other it's the W school parents complaining. Different people schools and problems. The "school system" is responsible for serving all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there teacher and admin bias? Likely some, but they’ve had a lot of training already and have a lot of oversight by central office on discipline.It’s really unfair that MCPS continues to blame the teachers for EVERYTHING.

There are many, many kids who’ve sufffered trauma, have unmet special needs etc. These are likely the kids getting suspended.

Unfortunately, probably none of this is going to get better unless MCPS adds a lot of staff to the problem schools. If the schools were smaller, admin and teachers could head off many problems before they happen. But with the enormous schools in MoCo, kids get away with a lot and get into trouble.

This is a big circle that isn’t going to get better until they hire more teachers, counselors, social workers etc to work with the kids who need it. Or let the charter schools in to create smaller schools.

Or you can have parents take more responsibility on the kids instead of thinking the school system needs to raise them. Or should we just tax everyone to have different people raise kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

Not the PP, but a mandatory parent or guardian sit-in for a school day. Or at least half day. County-wide. Just like jury duty. Show a letter to employer. Instead of suspension, the parent needs to come in and spend the day with the student. Observe each class from the back, watch lunch, PE, etc...

Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

BRILLIANT!!!

This is what is called accountability. Many don’t like that. They will shout unfair for sure. But I think it is what school systems need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

When I got in trouble at school, my parents were called in during the day. They met with each of my teachers. If they didn't come or things didn't improve, the school would escalate to possibly sending me to the remedial school. Is that not done anymore?

Define “trouble in school”?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

Not the PP, but a mandatory parent or guardian sit-in for a school day. Or at least half day. County-wide. Just like jury duty. Show a letter to employer. Instead of suspension, the parent needs to come in and spend the day with the student. Observe each class from the back, watch lunch, PE, etc...

Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

BRILLIANT!!!

This is what is called accountability. Many don’t like that. They will shout unfair for sure. But I think it is what school systems need.

Thank his your not in charge ... do you even have an education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

Not the PP, but a mandatory parent or guardian sit-in for a school day. Or at least half day. County-wide. Just like jury duty. Show a letter to employer. Instead of suspension, the parent needs to come in and spend the day with the student. Observe each class from the back, watch lunch, PE, etc...

Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

BRILLIANT!!!

This is what is called accountability. Many don’t like that. They will shout unfair for sure. But I think it is what school systems need.

How is this brilliant? The parents just won't show up and the student will still face zero actual consequences.

[Anonymous]

Suspensions work to give teachers and kids who want to learn and want order in their classrooms a break from disruptive students. Kids who are on the fence about misbehaving then won't because they know there will be a consequence.
Some parents do in fact discipline their kids for getting suspended so the student us less likely to misbehave in the future.

Suspensions don't work for kids who have really challenging lives like foster kids. Those kids need in school suspensions or suspensions in an alternative setting doing something productive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suspensions work to give teachers and kids who want to learn and want order in their classrooms a break from disruptive students. Kids who are on the fence about misbehaving then won't because they know there will be a consequence.
Some parents do in fact discipline their kids for getting suspended so the student us less likely to misbehave in the future.

Suspensions don't work for kids who have really challenging lives like foster kids. Those kids need in school suspensions or suspensions in an alternative setting doing something productive.

Ya and corporal punishment! Bring back the lash and cane!

[Anonymous]

It sounds like children and teens with behavioral issues
of all colors--white, hispanic, asian, and black will no
longer be disciplined and essentially are considered throwaway children.

How can children and teens that are not disciplined in the schools and in the home be expected to function on jobs?

It sounds like the throwaway disruptive children are fast tracking to jail and prison.