Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's good for your kids to feel comfortable with saying grace. They'll encounter it a lot in other settings.

Like where? In nearly 40 years of life I have very rarely encountered anyone who regularly says grace at mealtimes. I think one of my college roommates did. Pretty much no one else.

I have a good friend who is protestant who says grace before every meal, even when we are out to lunch, she'll close her eyes for a few seconds to say it.

Was just at a hotel the other day and noticed the mother of a family also doing it.

Both African American, by the way.

What does their race have to do with this? You’ve seen this on two occasions, so it means that it’s a common occurrence? You’re an oddball.

Why do you find it necessary to insult people? Not necessary even if you disagree. What religion, or none, are you?

My religion is none of your damn business?

[Anonymous]

I get the impression you are very insular and afraid of any custom that is not part of Judaism. Do you respect other customs and ways? I know you expect the world to understand yours and be respectful. Does that door only swing one way? Is it your way and no other way, ever?

In a perfect bubble, no Jewish child would ever eat with people who do not keep kosher or are not Jewish. Is that the ideal way to prepare the next generation to live in this part of America?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I get the impression you are very insular and afraid of any custom that is not part of Judaism. Do you respect other customs and ways? I know you expect the world to understand yours and be respectful. Does that door only swing one way? Is it your way and no other way, ever?

In a perfect bubble, no Jewish child would ever eat with people who do not keep kosher or are not Jewish. Is that the ideal way to prepare the next generation to live in this part of America?

Someone who truly believed that people should respect each other’s beliefs wouldn’t even ask this question. What do you mean by ‘this part of America’? If people don’t act like you, do you call them unAmerican? You should take a good, long look at your own biases before pointing the (ignorant) finger at others.

[Anonymous]

I'm the PP who posted that OP's children will be in settings throughout their lives where they are forced to sit at a table with people saying grace, and might as well get used to it now. I posted this based on my own extensive experience, as a kid and as an adult. I'm middle aged. I've experienced this again and again throughout my life. Do I live in a bubble? There's no way to tell, but I would guess not, since I grew up in DC around people from many different backgrounds. When I was growing up we said a simple grace at the table and yet I remember feeling really weird holding someone' else's parents' hands at their table when I visited friends, or closing my eyes to pray like others at the table did (I kept my eyes open).

Saying grace before eating is part of life for many people and you might as well give your kids at least some minimal experience of it, keeping it short and sweet, so they at least know what it's about. At least talk to them about it, tell them that their grandmother says grace but we don't and here's why, and here's what you're going to be expected to do when you're at someone else's house eating dinner, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who posted that OP's children will be in settings throughout their lives where they are forced to sit at a table with people saying grace, and might as well get used to it now. I posted this based on my own extensive experience, as a kid and as an adult. I'm middle aged. I've experienced this again and again throughout my life. Do I live in a bubble? There's no way to tell, but I would guess not, since I grew up in DC around people from many different backgrounds. When I was growing up we said a simple grace at the table and yet I remember feeling really weird holding someone' else's parents' hands at their table when I visited friends, or closing my eyes to pray like others at the table did (I kept my eyes open).

Saying grace before eating is part of life for many people and you might as well give your kids at least some minimal experience of it, keeping it short and sweet, so they at least know what it's about. At least talk to them about it, tell them that their grandmother says grace but we don't and here's why, and here's what you're going to be expected to do when you're at someone else's house eating dinner, etc.

They see it at grandma’s house already. No need for some big preparatory lecture. The issue isn’t what grandma does, it’s what how op raises her kids. Actually the real issue is op’s inability to tell grandma to butt out, because that would solve it and then we wouldnt have this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I get the impression you are very insular and afraid of any custom that is not part of Judaism. Do you respect other customs and ways? I know you expect the world to understand yours and be respectful. Does that door only swing one way? Is it your way and no other way, ever?

In a perfect bubble, no Jewish child would ever eat with people who do not keep kosher or are not Jewish. Is that the ideal way to prepare the next generation to live in this part of America?

OP here. Wow. Just ... wow.

Do you want to say Jewish prayers in your home (if you’re not Jewish)? If you don’t, then I guess you’re insular and disrespectful too. How about Hindu customs? Muslim customs?

Raising my child Jewish doesn’t mean I don’t respect other religions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I get the impression you are very insular and afraid of any custom that is not part of Judaism. Do you respect other customs and ways? I know you expect the world to understand yours and be respectful. Does that door only swing one way? Is it your way and no other way, ever?

In a perfect bubble, no Jewish child would ever eat with people who do not keep kosher or are not Jewish. Is that the ideal way to prepare the next generation to live in this part of America?

OP here. Wow. Just ... wow.

Do you want to say Jewish prayers in your home (if you’re not Jewish)? If you don’t, then I guess you’re insular and disrespectful too. How about Hindu customs? Muslim customs?

Raising my child Jewish doesn’t mean I don’t respect other religions.

Not the PP you are responding to, but I think it's a real benefit for your kids to have a catholic grandmother, so they can experience some small part of it first hand, through their own family. If we teach our children tolerance, and to not be threatened by the religious practices of others, here's your opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get the impression you are very insular and afraid of any custom that is not part of Judaism. Do you respect other customs and ways? I know you expect the world to understand yours and be respectful. Does that door only swing one way? Is it your way and no other way, ever?

In a perfect bubble, no Jewish child would ever eat with people who do not keep kosher or are not Jewish. Is that the ideal way to prepare the next generation to live in this part of America?

OP here. Wow. Just ... wow.

Do you want to say Jewish prayers in your home (if you’re not Jewish)? If you don’t, then I guess you’re insular and disrespectful too. How about Hindu customs? Muslim customs?

Raising my child Jewish doesn’t mean I don’t respect other religions.

Not the PP you are responding to, but I think it's a real benefit for your kids to have a catholic grandmother, so they can experience some small part of it first hand, through their own family. If we teach our children tolerance, and to not be threatened by the religious practices of others, here's your opportunity.

OP here. Of course, but that doesn’t mean we need to be saying grace every day when she’s not there. That’s her request for us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's good for your kids to feel comfortable with saying grace. They'll encounter it a lot in other settings.

Like where? In nearly 40 years of life I have very rarely encountered anyone who regularly says grace at mealtimes. I think one of my college roommates did. Pretty much no one else.

I have a good friend who is protestant who says grace before every meal, even when we are out to lunch, she'll close her eyes for a few seconds to say it.

Was just at a hotel the other day and noticed the mother of a family also doing it.

Both African American, by the way.

What does their race have to do with this? You’ve seen this on two occasions, so it means that it’s a common occurrence? You’re an oddball.

Why do you find it necessary to insult people? Not necessary even if you disagree. What religion, or none, are you?

My religion is none of your damn business?

Whatever it is, it’s not doing you a lot of favors, behavior-wise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get the impression you are very insular and afraid of any custom that is not part of Judaism. Do you respect other customs and ways? I know you expect the world to understand yours and be respectful. Does that door only swing one way? Is it your way and no other way, ever?

In a perfect bubble, no Jewish child would ever eat with people who do not keep kosher or are not Jewish. Is that the ideal way to prepare the next generation to live in this part of America?

OP here. Wow. Just ... wow.

Do you want to say Jewish prayers in your home (if you’re not Jewish)? If you don’t, then I guess you’re insular and disrespectful too. How about Hindu customs? Muslim customs?

Raising my child Jewish doesn’t mean I don’t respect other religions.

Not the PP you are responding to, but I think it's a real benefit for your kids to have a catholic grandmother, so they can experience some small part of it first hand, through their own family. If we teach our children tolerance, and to not be threatened by the religious practices of others, here's your opportunity.

OP here. Of course, but that doesn’t mean we need to be saying grace every day when she’s not there. That’s her request for us.

Yea, OP, you're just here to argue. Now we get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get the impression you are very insular and afraid of any custom that is not part of Judaism. Do you respect other customs and ways? I know you expect the world to understand yours and be respectful. Does that door only swing one way? Is it your way and no other way, ever?

In a perfect bubble, no Jewish child would ever eat with people who do not keep kosher or are not Jewish. Is that the ideal way to prepare the next generation to live in this part of America?

OP here. Wow. Just ... wow.

Do you want to say Jewish prayers in your home (if you’re not Jewish)? If you don’t, then I guess you’re insular and disrespectful too. How about Hindu customs? Muslim customs?

Raising my child Jewish doesn’t mean I don’t respect other religions.

Not the PP you are responding to, but I think it's a real benefit for your kids to have a catholic grandmother, so they can experience some small part of it first hand, through their own family. If we teach our children tolerance, and to not be threatened by the religious practices of others, here's your opportunity.

OP here. Of course, but that doesn’t mean we need to be saying grace every day when she’s not there. That’s her request for us.

Yea, OP, you're just here to argue. Now we get it.

I’m really not. I think some of you are misunderstanding the situation. I don’t care about her saying grace while she’s here. I care about her requesting that we say grace every day when she’s not here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get the impression you are very insular and afraid of any custom that is not part of Judaism. Do you respect other customs and ways? I know you expect the world to understand yours and be respectful. Does that door only swing one way? Is it your way and no other way, ever?

In a perfect bubble, no Jewish child would ever eat with people who do not keep kosher or are not Jewish. Is that the ideal way to prepare the next generation to live in this part of America?

OP here. Wow. Just ... wow.

Do you want to say Jewish prayers in your home (if you’re not Jewish)? If you don’t, then I guess you’re insular and disrespectful too. How about Hindu customs? Muslim customs?

Raising my child Jewish doesn’t mean I don’t respect other religions.

Not the PP you are responding to, but I think it's a real benefit for your kids to have a catholic grandmother, so they can experience some small part of it first hand, through their own family. If we teach our children tolerance, and to not be threatened by the religious practices of others, here's your opportunity.

OP here. Of course, but that doesn’t mean we need to be saying grace every day when she’s not there. That’s her request for us.

Yea, OP, you're just here to argue. Now we get it.

I’m really not. I think some of you are misunderstanding the situation. I don’t care about her saying grace while she’s here. I care about her requesting that we say grace every day when she’s not here.

Just don't do it then. How will she know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get the impression you are very insular and afraid of any custom that is not part of Judaism. Do you respect other customs and ways? I know you expect the world to understand yours and be respectful. Does that door only swing one way? Is it your way and no other way, ever?

In a perfect bubble, no Jewish child would ever eat with people who do not keep kosher or are not Jewish. Is that the ideal way to prepare the next generation to live in this part of America?

OP here. Wow. Just ... wow.

Do you want to say Jewish prayers in your home (if you’re not Jewish)? If you don’t, then I guess you’re insular and disrespectful too. How about Hindu customs? Muslim customs?

Raising my child Jewish doesn’t mean I don’t respect other religions.

Not the PP you are responding to, but I think it's a real benefit for your kids to have a catholic grandmother, so they can experience some small part of it first hand, through their own family. If we teach our children tolerance, and to not be threatened by the religious practices of others, here's your opportunity.

OP here. Of course, but that doesn’t mean we need to be saying grace every day when she’s not there. That’s her request for us.

Yea, OP, you're just here to argue. Now we get it.

I’m really not. I think some of you are misunderstanding the situation. I don’t care about her saying grace while she’s here. I care about her requesting that we say grace every day when she’s not here.

So don’t do it. The end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's good for your kids to feel comfortable with saying grace. They'll encounter it a lot in other settings.

Like where? In nearly 40 years of life I have very rarely encountered anyone who regularly says grace at mealtimes. I think one of my college roommates did. Pretty much no one else.

I have a good friend who is protestant who says grace before every meal, even when we are out to lunch, she'll close her eyes for a few seconds to say it.

Was just at a hotel the other day and noticed the mother of a family also doing it.

Both African American, by the way.

What does their race have to do with this? You’ve seen this on two occasions, so it means that it’s a common occurrence? You’re an oddball.

Why do you find it necessary to insult people? Not necessary even if you disagree. What religion, or none, are you?

My religion is none of your damn business?

Whatever it is, it’s not doing you a lot of favors, behavior-wise.

I DGAF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get the impression you are very insular and afraid of any custom that is not part of Judaism. Do you respect other customs and ways? I know you expect the world to understand yours and be respectful. Does that door only swing one way? Is it your way and no other way, ever?

In a perfect bubble, no Jewish child would ever eat with people who do not keep kosher or are not Jewish. Is that the ideal way to prepare the next generation to live in this part of America?

OP here. Wow. Just ... wow.

Do you want to say Jewish prayers in your home (if you’re not Jewish)? If you don’t, then I guess you’re insular and disrespectful too. How about Hindu customs? Muslim customs?

Raising my child Jewish doesn’t mean I don’t respect other religions.

Not the PP you are responding to, but I think it's a real benefit for your kids to have a catholic grandmother, so they can experience some small part of it first hand, through their own family. If we teach our children tolerance, and to not be threatened by the religious practices of others, here's your opportunity.

OP here. Of course, but that doesn’t mean we need to be saying grace every day when she’s not there. That’s her request for us.

Dp-I suggested upthread how to deal and find a middle ground, but you seem bent on having just your way. I suspect your father must have squashed your mother in a similar way as you. You are intolerant. Just accept it that you’re that way, and that you and your mom are stubborn, then move on.