Kate Moss

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At 14 she was more beautiful because she looked normal instead of extremely thin

She's been a model for as long as I've been noticing clothes - decades now - and she was known for her "heroin chic" when she was young. = extremely skinny. That's when heroin was thought to have a chic (I guess? Things were weird in the 90s) as opposed to now when it's thought of as what people turn to when they can't get their other opioids anymore. But Kate's been there through it all.

This is what 'skinny' was in the 90s. The 'heroin chic' wasn't just about 'skinny' also about grunge, shadows under the eyes and hollow cheeks. Kate Moss had a slight build and excellent facial structure that, with a little makeup, could be transformed into 'heroin chic'. You could do the same thing to Twiggy from the 70s. Heroin chic is far more descriptive of today's fashion standards (Kaia Gerber comes to mind). Look how many celebrity women can't get a designer dress for the red carpet. https://people.com/style/celebrities-who-designers-wont-dress/

Guy here. Kate was hot then (and clearly had hips here) and she’s not now. I think this is a lot of women analyzing here. Plus, people don’t like to admit it, but the smoking anc sexy look added to her total hotness.

You mean white guy here right?

You mean white guy who still believes they didn’t photoshop her waist in to make he look like she has hips.

Dude you are pathetic... if u are a dude..

DP here (female). So, you think every image/video of her is photoshopped? Do you engage in other conspiracy theories?

A simple google search on "Kate Moss Runway" will give you a ton of hits for video of her walking runways. It's clear that she is not 'skinny' by today's standards and she definitely has 'hips'. She's definitely sexy. If you choose to believe that all those are photoshopped, well, I'm sorry for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLhlNcVh5_4

DP...All I see is a very skinny woman with the body of a teenage boy.

Nope, I have a skinny teenage son and the proportions are completely different.

I know your thesis is her shape only speaks to gay male designers, but that’s bunk. If you were to measure hip to waist ratio, of KM, the geometry is as dramatic as some of the curvy examples cited. I’ve altered dresses, although a larger woman may look curvier the percent of fabric that has to be suppressed for a skinny woman to fit a waist is often greater. The saving grace is skinny women often don’t need a completely cinched waist to look proportionate.

Nope, she is still shaped like a teenage boy. Maybe not your son but there are plenty of boys with that shape. We’ve all seen Kate in clothes. She has a boyish figure, including the small, almost nonexistent chest. You can try to bend it anyway you like but she looks like a teenage boy. You can try to find curves and call her curvy but she isn’t. She’s skinny, ribs showing and all. You want to believe skinny women have curves, they have don’t. But again, there is nothing wrong with that. Just own the shape and stop trying to make fetch happen.

DP. Christ, you need a handful of Xanax, girl.

Oh Miss DCUM, you never fail to respond the same way when someone disagrees with you and shows you up. Keep it up, girl!

You’re just such an asshole. I was reading and enjoying but your non-extant expertise got you wigging out, sweetie.

Please, please just keep going honey. You sound absolutely delightful. Tell us all more about how curvy you and Kate Moss are.

Please, I can hear your floorboards screaming We give up! with your every step.

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Important question: who is the picture of the woman below Kate Moss on the post with the two pics? Is it her with a different look? I’ve re-read the post and still not sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Important question: who is the picture of the woman below Kate Moss on the post with the two pics? Is it her with a different look? I’ve re-read the post and still not sure.

Twiggy, an English model from the ‘60s.

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No one is denying she is was very successful. All I am saying is that she was successful in the cultural context of White America. If a person outside of America who has no idea of famous models, and is shown pictures of Paulina, Gigi Hadid and Lupita - they will find Paulina, Gigi and Lupita beautiful but not Kate Moss. That she was famous because of her walk and association with famous designers etc - s not being debated. She is just not a beautiful woman without the context of American fashion.

I feel the same way about Kim Kardashian butt, figure and face. She looks like a cartoon, but in the context of social media exhibitionism, she has made millions, due to a particular moment in global society.

But how is that different from any other model who was successful at that same time? White America is where the advertisers are; certainly no model can become world famous without conquering the American market. What is your point exactly? It's not like Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer were unknowns in America.

I don't think you can say with any certainty what people outside America will think of Kate Moss en masse. The world's a big place and there are all kinds of opinions in it. Kate Moss wasn't famous because of her association with famous designers; it's quite the opposite - famous designers chose to associate with her because they saw something distinctive in it. Beauty alone does not rule success in the modeling business. Successful models have something else. It's something distinctive, or else it's their chameleon quality, the ability to change looks while remaining themselves. There are gorgeous women winning beauty contests every day who are way more beautiful than famous models, but they'd never succeed in modeling. Why? Who knows. It's just a different set of qualities.

For me, I think Paulina is very beautiful but she's more conventional. You can easily imagine there would be many Paulinas in the world. Moss has a unique look.

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Anonymous wrote:The arguments over whether Kate Moss is curvy are bizarre to me. She is not “curvy” as the term is traditionally used (meaning large breasts and generous hips and thighs). However, as others have noted, her hip to waist ratio is very feminine. She has a tiny waste and flaring hips. Anyone who compares her to a teenage boy is not familiar with teenage boy anatomy. They do not have nipped in waists.

‘Curvy’ is just a euphemism for fat.

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No one is denying she is was very successful. All I am saying is that she was successful in the cultural context of White America. If a person outside of America who has no idea of famous models, and is shown pictures of Paulina, Gigi Hadid and Lupita - they will find Paulina, Gigi and Lupita beautiful but not Kate Moss. That she was famous because of her walk and association with famous designers etc - s not being debated. She is just not a beautiful woman without the context of American fashion.

I feel the same way about Kim Kardashian butt, figure and face. She looks like a cartoon, but in the context of social media exhibitionism, she has made millions, due to a particular moment in global society.

But how is that different from any other model who was successful at that same time? White America is where the advertisers are; certainly no model can become world famous without conquering the American market. What is your point exactly? It's not like Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer were unknowns in America.

I don't think you can say with any certainty what people outside America will think of Kate Moss en masse. The world's a big place and there are all kinds of opinions in it. Kate Moss wasn't famous because of her association with famous designers; it's quite the opposite - famous designers chose to associate with her because they saw something distinctive in it. Beauty alone does not rule success in the modeling business. Successful models have something else. It's something distinctive, or else it's their chameleon quality, the ability to change looks while remaining themselves. There are gorgeous women winning beauty contests every day who are way more beautiful than famous models, but they'd never succeed in modeling. Why? Who knows. It's just a different set of qualities.

For me, I think Paulina is very beautiful but she's more conventional. You can easily imagine there would be many Paulinas in the world. Moss has a unique look.

Ha ha !! IRL, there are a lot more of Kate Moss kind of girls, looking cheap and common and fairly below average in beauty. She may have something that appealed to American masses but she is not beautiful. Paulina is stunningly beautiful and there are very few girls who are stunningly beautiful IRL.

Women liked Kate Moss because she was common and not more beautiful than them. They did not have the same jealous reaction to Kate Moss that they have to a say a looker like Kate Middleton or Gwyenth Paltrow.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is she considered beautiful? She has squint eyes, dirty hair, leathery skin, crooked teeth and uneven lips.

I think she is the ugliest model I have ever seen. Below average.

OP - I am guessing you have a hate on to a woman who looks like Kate Moss.

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Anonymous wrote:The arguments over whether Kate Moss is curvy are bizarre to me. She is not “curvy” as the term is traditionally used (meaning large breasts and generous hips and thighs). However, as others have noted, her hip to waist ratio is very feminine. She has a tiny waste and flaring hips. Anyone who compares her to a teenage boy is not familiar with teenage boy anatomy. They do not have nipped in waists.

‘Curvy’ is just a euphemism for fat.

Tell that to my DD who wears size 2 curvy jeans.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is she considered beautiful? She has squint eyes, dirty hair, leathery skin, crooked teeth and uneven lips.

I think she is the ugliest model I have ever seen. Below average.

OP - I am guessing you have a hate on to a woman who looks like Kate Moss.

I think there’s just an anti Kate Moss poster, which is really funny when you think about it. Like she would ever give a damn. And that’s why Kate Moss is awesome.

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Anonymous wrote:The arguments over whether Kate Moss is curvy are bizarre to me. She is not “curvy” as the term is traditionally used (meaning large breasts and generous hips and thighs). However, as others have noted, her hip to waist ratio is very feminine. She has a tiny waste and flaring hips. Anyone who compares her to a teenage boy is not familiar with teenage boy anatomy. They do not have nipped in waists.

‘Curvy’ is just a euphemism for fat.

Wondered when you would make an appearance!

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No one is denying she is was very successful. All I am saying is that she was successful in the cultural context of White America. If a person outside of America who has no idea of famous models, and is shown pictures of Paulina, Gigi Hadid and Lupita - they will find Paulina, Gigi and Lupita beautiful but not Kate Moss. That she was famous because of her walk and association with famous designers etc - s not being debated. She is just not a beautiful woman without the context of American fashion.

I feel the same way about Kim Kardashian butt, figure and face. She looks like a cartoon, but in the context of social media exhibitionism, she has made millions, due to a particular moment in global society.

But how is that different from any other model who was successful at that same time? White America is where the advertisers are; certainly no model can become world famous without conquering the American market. What is your point exactly? It's not like Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer were unknowns in America.

I don't think you can say with any certainty what people outside America will think of Kate Moss en masse. The world's a big place and there are all kinds of opinions in it. Kate Moss wasn't famous because of her association with famous designers; it's quite the opposite - famous designers chose to associate with her because they saw something distinctive in it. Beauty alone does not rule success in the modeling business. Successful models have something else. It's something distinctive, or else it's their chameleon quality, the ability to change looks while remaining themselves. There are gorgeous women winning beauty contests every day who are way more beautiful than famous models, but they'd never succeed in modeling. Why? Who knows. It's just a different set of qualities.

For me, I think Paulina is very beautiful but she's more conventional. You can easily imagine there would be many Paulinas in the world. Moss has a unique look.

Ha ha !! IRL, there are a lot more of Kate Moss kind of girls, looking cheap and common and fairly below average in beauty. She may have something that appealed to American masses but she is not beautiful. Paulina is stunningly beautiful and there are very few girls who are stunningly beautiful IRL.

Women liked Kate Moss because she was common and not more beautiful than them. They did not have the same jealous reaction to Kate Moss that they have to a say a looker like Kate Middleton or Gwyenth Paltrow.

Troll harder.

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Serious question: for the people who are FURIOUS in this thread. Are you high or drunk or something? What gives?

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: for the people who are FURIOUS in this thread. Are you high or drunk or something? What gives?

Are you talking about the Kate Moss fans?

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: for the people who are FURIOUS in this thread. Are you high or drunk or something? What gives?

Are you talking about the Kate Moss fans?

No, I am not

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: for the people who are FURIOUS in this thread. Are you high or drunk or something? What gives?

Who is furious? Are you high or drunk or on anxiety meds?