Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

Ummm, did you not watch the debates??? Castro, and a majority want to decriminalize crossing the border illegally. That does not sound like border control?

This is why a lil bit of education or atleast the ability to find out what the word means goes a long way in understanding it. Decriminalize isn’t the same as open borders. In law there are two types , criminal law and civil law. Decriminalize simply means that the families who cross the border will be punished by civil law, not by criminal law. It means we don’t treat desperate people as rapists and murderers. It means we will be kind and humane but you would still be punished in a civil manner and involves jail time. But if you have criminal record or have committed other crimes while here illegally then and only then will you be considered a criminal.

Civil penalties are usually nominal with some fines attached.
So basically you are saying that sure, cross the border. It’s a civil penalty. Pleas pay a 100$ fine, but you get fee healthcare and all the social services that you need to stay in this country.
If I’m illegal, I’m coming over right now for that deal!

Understand what a civil penalty is first.

Exactly. It's not a deterrent at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

We want more LEGAL immigrants. But nice try, PP.

Bans from Muslim countries and how many kids in concentration camps, kids whose parents were LEGALLY seeking refugee status suggests this is not actually the case.

DP. Just the gross misuse of the phrase "concentration camps" is enough for me to discount anything else you might have said.

DP. I'm also a Dem and not Jewish and grossly offended by the comparison. AOC is a complete moron. And we're gonna lose again. Badly.

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AOC has never actually seen a concentration camp.
And her Socialist media friends LOVE her.

Nancy and Chuck are like the parents
who fear their temper tantruming toddler
making a fat scene in public.
AOC has a choke hold on them.
They have to allow their spoiled brat
do and have whatever she wants.
If she wants to eat candy all night,
just let her have it!

Or else she’ll show ‘em who’s really in charge.
And it won’t be pretty. Get the popcorn, folks.

I’m totally amused when kids control adults.
It’s a freggin’ freak show.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

We want more LEGAL immigrants. But nice try, PP.

Bans from Muslim countries and how many kids in concentration camps, kids whose parents were LEGALLY seeking refugee status suggests this is not actually the case.

DP. Just the gross misuse of the phrase "concentration camps" is enough for me to discount anything else you might have said.

DP. I'm also a Dem and not Jewish and grossly offended by the comparison. AOC is a complete moron. And we're gonna lose again. Badly.

+100

my holocaust refugee relatives think Trump is fascist and there are clear parallels, so ...

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Anonymous wrote:There is no illegal immigrant problem in most of the U.S. For much of the immigration haters is just the sorehead factor. Unless you are a Native American you are the spawn of immigrants who did exactly what these current immigrants want to do, which is find a better life in the U.S. There were just no immigration laws then.

Dems tried to pass immigration reform when Obama was president. Republicans bloced them, as they always do.

Of course they did. Party over country for the GOP every damn time. They would allow this country to be destroyed if the alternative was having a Democrat save it.

I would say you've got that exactly wrong. Party over country for liberals, every damn time. You would allow this country to be destroyed by admitting millions of illegal immigrants if the alternative is voting for Trump in 2020.

Not PP. What crap. Illegal immigration is declining since the peak during Bush. Do you know how to read graphs? Check below.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

What is destroying America is openly Asking Russia to subvert our democracy and having a Russian puppet as precedent. And the puppet says he trusts Putin over Americans and always meets Putin one-one to give personal reports to his boss.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

We want more LEGAL immigrants. But nice try, PP.

Bans from Muslim countries and how many kids in concentration camps, kids whose parents were LEGALLY seeking refugee status suggests this is not actually the case.

DP. Just the gross misuse of the phrase "concentration camps" is enough for me to discount anything else you might have said.

DP. I'm also a Dem and not Jewish and grossly offended by the comparison. AOC is a complete moron. And we're gonna lose again. Badly.

+100

my holocaust refugee relatives think Trump is fascist and there are clear parallels, so ...

My MIL and her sisters were teens/early 20s in Germany during WWII. They are terrified by the parallels they see between what our government is doing today and what their government did in the 1930s.

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My German friends are terrified by the massive invasion of their nation. They see their culture dying. They no longer feel safe.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

Read the OpEd by David Brooks.

Half of America does not vote.

For every David Brooks lost there are 5 more uninspired non-voters to be gained in his place. Instead of meeting their tangible daily needs, we are catering a handful of Brooks. Bye.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Exactly. I support using E-verify, but in no way will that deter people from coming here illegally. They can ALWAYS get work and they know this.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

Ummm, did you not watch the debates??? Castro, and a majority want to decriminalize crossing the border illegally. That does not sound like border control?

This is why a lil bit of education or atleast the ability to find out what the word means goes a long way in understanding it. Decriminalize isn’t the same as open borders. In law there are two types , criminal law and civil law. Decriminalize simply means that the families who cross the border will be punished by civil law, not by criminal law. It means we don’t treat desperate people as rapists and murderers. It means we will be kind and humane but you would still be punished in a civil manner and involves jail time. But if you have criminal record or have committed other crimes while here illegally then and only then will you be considered a criminal.

Civil penalties are usually nominal with some fines attached.
So basically you are saying that sure, cross the border. It’s a civil penalty. Pleas pay a 100$ fine, but you get fee healthcare and all the social services that you need to stay in this country.
If I’m illegal, I’m coming over right now for that deal!

Understand what a civil penalty is first.

Civil penalties are for the ones who are qualified to get asylum. Not for everyone. Also we need mandatory e-verify, which the dems support, so the greedy employers like Trump and corporations don’t hire them instead of Americans. Why is Trump against mandatory e-verify? Why is the GOP against mandatory e-verify? They are basically shifting the blame for illegal immigration on the desperate people and not on the rich people who give them employment as inducement for them to come. You’ve fallen for the craven lie the conman and the gop has propagated. It is the GOP which is inducing illegal immigration by not having mandatory e-verify. Get some education and understand the issue deeper.

You, are a moron. The lack of e-verify inducing illegal immigration? How about the promise of free healthcare you saw at the debates!

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x infinity

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Undocumented immigrants aren’t going to come if they have no way to earn money to survive. If employers actually used E-Verify (because there was a risk of real penalties if they didn’t), it would be much harder for undocumented immigrants to find employment, and the inability to earn money both for themselves and to send back home would significantly discourage migration.

Are you really this naïve? Of course they're going to come, regardless of E-verify. I agree that employers need to use it, but there are plenty of cash-only employees who will hire anybody and illegal immigrants know this. Everyone (except you, apparently?) knows this.

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Anonymous wrote:To the op, yes. I am a democrat & have know that my party is more interested in helping folks without Napier’s then in helping my middle class family. We simply cannot solve everyone’s problems. We just can’t. It’s not ‘inhumane’ to say we can’t take you in. It’s inhumane to over extended & pretend like we can.
Yes- Dems are making immigration decisions in an echo chamber.

Why didn’t you listen to what Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Ryan, Sanders, Booker etc had to say during the debates? They talked about struggling families, the high price of education and health care, depressed wages, investing in green technologies of the future that will create jobs. Did you just leave the room whenever those topics were addressed? And why do you think it’s a bad thing to bring together central American and Mexican leaders tonaddress the systemic problems that are causing people to flee those countries and north? It’s always better to do preventative medicine than to try to fix the illness.

What do you think we've been doing, for decades? Can you explain where the billions of dollars in aid we've sent to Central American countries has gone? How have their governments used it to help their people? We'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Exactly. I support using E-verify, but in no way will that deter people from coming here illegally. They can ALWAYS get work and they know this.

That’s a cop out. Let’s put businessmen like Conman Trump in jail for hiring illegals and then see how fast the problem declines. You have zero credibility if you don’t even want to try. The republicans are for open borders and for Russia as friends and fellow Democrat Americans as enemies. What a shame and fall for the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you for whom immigration is your #1 issue -- what exactly is it that bothers you so much?

I am SO much more bothered by the idea that our country is caging children. And I dearly hope there are more voters like me than there are children of immigrants (all of you) rushing to slam shut the door to freedom and opportunity.

False dilemma. You can treat children humanely AND have orderly immigration.

Why are YOU so eager to open "the door to freedom and opportunity" to the unverified and the uneducated over hundreds of thousands of us with advanced degrees and mortgages who have been standing in line patiently in front of that door?

Completely agree.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Undocumented immigrants aren’t going to come if they have no way to earn money to survive. If employers actually used E-Verify (because there was a risk of real penalties if they didn’t), it would be much harder for undocumented immigrants to find employment, and the inability to earn money both for themselves and to send back home would significantly discourage migration.

Are you really this naïve? Of course they're going to come, regardless of E-verify. I agree that employers need to use it, but there are plenty of cash-only employees who will hire anybody and illegal immigrants know this. Everyone (except you, apparently?) knows this.

You can’t do cash only for steady long term jobs. Period. Even then the employers are doing an illegal act by doing so. Raid them a few times and they will change. It is much better and smarter to monitor few thousand employers than to monitor millions of illegals. And it is easier to punish the employers for hiring illegals because they are Americans and they better care about america as much as other Americans. Or else they could go to jail. It’s the only way TRumps could be made to follow e-verify.