20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

You are contradicting all the news articles and the locals who are all saying it was a notorious intersection and that the state had tried to make it safer a few years ago but hadn't succeeded. Apparently it is all a steep downhill and there is no warning that there is a T-junction with a stop sign coming, so people who are not intimately familiar with the area are not expecting it. Because nobody anticipates there being a stop sign at the bottom of a steep hill with nowhere to go but a ditch, since that isn't a well-considered road design. Trucks were banned from that section of the road because too many were losing control. And there are some suggestions that the limo's brakes failed.

The “locals” refers to the manager of the restaurant being quoted in multiple articles. It’s not a dangerous intersection.

You live near there? There haven’t been any other accidents at that intersection?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

You are contradicting all the news articles and the locals who are all saying it was a notorious intersection and that the state had tried to make it safer a few years ago but hadn't succeeded. Apparently it is all a steep downhill and there is no warning that there is a T-junction with a stop sign coming, so people who are not intimately familiar with the area are not expecting it. Because nobody anticipates there being a stop sign at the bottom of a steep hill with nowhere to go but a ditch, since that isn't a well-considered road design. Trucks were banned from that section of the road because too many were losing control. And there are some suggestions that the limo's brakes failed.

The “locals” refers to the manager of the restaurant being quoted in multiple articles. It’s not a dangerous intersection.

“Kirby says the local town supervisor worked with New York's Department of Transportation to bar heavy trucks from using the road.”
And more here: https://wnyt.com/news/schoharie-crash-intersection-concerned-residents/5100421/

Trucks that have lost their brakes—which were all of the previous accidents doesn’t make it a dangerous intersection. Those accidents were due to mechanical failures.

[Anonymous]

I wish seatbelts were required in limos and buses. Even school buses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i happen to know a lot about limousines and how they work and how they are built.

Chances are the brakes could no support the load. the cheap way out when buying these is to not upgrade the braking system.

All of them have seat belts that are rarely used so I am willing to bet they were not buckled in.

I am also willing to bet the driver had a medical emergency which makes it even more of a safety issue because a vehicle usually allowed to carry that many passengers should require a CDL and the driver would be required to have a physical. Many limousine companies get around this by listing it as a car not a vehicle that has a higher seating capacity requiring a CDL.

Imagine the brakes on your car trying to stop a vehicle with 10x the usual limit, at that speed if it wasn't a medical emergency, it isn't going to stop.

Never get in a vehicle like that, they are not safe for many reasons, the side impact is inferior and the chance of fire is greater and there is really no way out. T

the last limousine incident where many people died, over heated brakes caused a fire and many people burned to death inside the vehicle.

This is exactly what I was thinking. No way those breaks where meant to stop a load that heavy.

The Brakes might have been though. I have no idea how you upgrade breaks

Just like you do a transmission, or other modified parts. The brakes can be upgraded to brakes similar to those on a truck, calipers, pads, rotors etc. Imagine a pair of tweezers, you can hold a certain amount of piece of paper with a normal pair but add 50 more pieces, you can't hold it, that is how brakes work. eventually they can't hold the weight.

I know how to upgrade brakes. Read it again.

[Anonymous]

Drive the speed limit and obey stop signs:



Easy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not too many physics majors on DCUM today.

Yeah... all these responses expressing disbelief really explain the terrible driving on the beltway. I sometimes wonder how people are so careless with their lives to get one car ahead or shave a minute off a trip to the grocery store. I guess I have my answer.

+1

I'm a science PhD and it's pretty clear to me why and how all of them could be dead after that type of impact.

Truly awful, but not surprising.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reports say that the owner of the limo company has been located in Pakistan. Was he already there or did he abscond, I wonder.

I read an article this morning that led me to believe he was already there. He had previously been an FBI informant and it sounds like had committed murder in Pakistan. He doesn’t sound like a nice guy at all and I doubt the families will ever have any type of apology or resolution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reports say that the owner of the limo company has been located in Pakistan. Was he already there or did he abscond, I wonder.

I read an article this morning that led me to believe he was already there. He had previously been an FBI informant and it sounds like had committed murder in Pakistan. He doesn’t sound like a nice guy at all and I doubt the families will ever have any type of apology or resolution.

I think we have an extradition agreement with Pakistan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish seatbelts were required in limos and buses. Even school buses.

The buses our school uses for field trips has seatbelts and yes, the kids wear them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Reports say that the owner of the limo company has been located in Pakistan. Was he already there or did he abscond, I wonder.

I read an article this morning that led me to believe he was already there. He had previously been an FBI informant and it sounds like had committed murder in Pakistan. He doesn’t sound like a nice guy at all and I doubt the families will ever have any type of apology or resolution.

I think we have an extradition agreement with Pakistan.

That doesn't mean the families will get an apology or extradition. He'll file bankruptcy, close the business and then open up three more under a different name and TIN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish seatbelts were required in limos and buses. Even school buses.

The seatbelts are required to be available and functioning, but that doesn’t mean people use them. I’m not sure lap belts could have saved these people from a high speed crash.

Limousines of that size are difficult to drive. The company I worked for wouldn’t allow anyone without a class A CDL to drive them. Stoping takes some planning. It’s a lot of weight to bring to a halt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not too many physics majors on DCUM today.

Yeah... all these responses expressing disbelief really explain the terrible driving on the beltway. I sometimes wonder how people are so careless with their lives to get one car ahead or shave a minute off a trip to the grocery store. I guess I have my answer.

+1

I'm a science PhD and it's pretty clear to me why and how all of them could be dead after that type of impact.

Truly awful, but not surprising.

Please elaborate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not too many physics majors on DCUM today.

Yeah... all these responses expressing disbelief really explain the terrible driving on the beltway. I sometimes wonder how people are so careless with their lives to get one car ahead or shave a minute off a trip to the grocery store. I guess I have my answer.

+1

I'm a science PhD and it's pretty clear to me why and how all of them could be dead after that type of impact.

Truly awful, but not surprising.

Please elaborate.

Geez. Do you really not know this? None of them were wearing seatbelts. When the limo crashed they became 18 100lb+ projectiles moving 60+ MPH towards the front of the limo, where they hit each other and the walls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not too many physics majors on DCUM today.

Yeah... all these responses expressing disbelief really explain the terrible driving on the beltway. I sometimes wonder how people are so careless with their lives to get one car ahead or shave a minute off a trip to the grocery store. I guess I have my answer.

+1

I'm a science PhD and it's pretty clear to me why and how all of them could be dead after that type of impact.

Truly awful, but not surprising.

Please elaborate.

Geez. Do you really not know this? None of them were wearing seatbelts. When the limo crashed they became 18 100lb+ projectiles moving 60+ MPH towards the front of the limo, where they hit each other and the walls.

+1
And skulls, necks and spines aren't exactly made of steel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not too many physics majors on DCUM today.

Yeah... all these responses expressing disbelief really explain the terrible driving on the beltway. I sometimes wonder how people are so careless with their lives to get one car ahead or shave a minute off a trip to the grocery store. I guess I have my answer.

+1

I'm a science PhD and it's pretty clear to me why and how all of them could be dead after that type of impact.

Truly awful, but not surprising.

Please elaborate.

Geez. Do you really not know this? None of them were wearing seatbelts. When the limo crashed they became 18 100lb+ projectiles moving 60+ MPH towards the front of the limo, where they hit each other and the walls.

Yes, and that is ignoring the fact that stretch limos are stripped of pretty much every safety protection modern cars offer INCLUDING steel pillars to protect passengers. Here is a link about another limo crash and why stretch limos are particularly dangerous. www.nytimes.com/2015/07/24/nyregion/a-fatal-crash-shows-a-safety-problem-with-stretch-limousines.html