Donor eggs

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Anonymous wrote:I Was told at 35/36 donor eggs were the way to go because of severe DOR. I couldn’t do it for all of the reasons mentioned by OP. Luckily changed RE’s and protocols and gpt my DD at 37. We have 10 bio embryos on ice untested - we start our first FET for #2 next month and if none of them work out we’re done. My DD is all my husband at 14 months (looks and personality) but I know she’s mine - i couldn’t have forseen that and imagine that if she had been via donor egg it would be truly hard for me. Just being honest.

I think most women feel the exact same way as you but don’t want to admit it.

No one here is saying DE is their primary choice and that making the decision to create a family using a donated egg (or sperm) is easy. It isn’t and good for you for pursuing a second opinion. Most couples who have chosen to use donor eggs/donor sperm have been through hell and back already, so this provides them an option for another chance—it isn’t a guarantee that after 10’s of thousands of dollars are paid that you will finally have success.

As for OP, I can’t read your last post. I just can’t with you. I’m guessing you think gay and lesbian couples have no morals for pursuing their dreams of a family either. You are truly a dispicable, disgusting, hateful, cruel, narrow minded, miserable excuse for a human being.

/done

Yeah, get out of the conversation, scumbag, because you did not read my post at all and you have nothing intelligent to write. You are like many self-serving morons out there, if a conversation doesn't serve you, you turn to insults. So in turn I insult you: you lowlife scumbag.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many people who don’t “get” de are childless. As a parent of conceived naturally, I can see how little of being a parent is dependent on a genetic relationship.

Actually, I totally disagree. Children can be frustrating and exhausting, especially if one is dealing with special needs. With your own genetic child, the love and connection is there automatically. If raising a difficult child that is not your own, I can see how it would be much harder to deal with.

Np here. I actually was more open to DE after having a child genetically my own. They are their own little people, with thoughts, feelings and personalities unto themselves. I realized the genetics were less important, not more, once I had my own kid. I did go on to have a second on our own, but truthfully her personality is so different from mine she could have been from another mother. I'm told she looks like me, but again, she's her own person with her own way of doing things.

If you are not comfortable with the idea of DE, you have a choice, you don't have to do it. I do agree some doctors gloss over the emotional component of the decision, much like many people ignore the real difficulties involved when they say "just adopt". There are not enough children looking for homes as there are families looking to adopt. It's expensive and often heartbreaking. Truthfully I think many RE's push IVF without digging in to find the cause of someone's infertility. Thyroid and immune issues in particular are often not well treated before someone is told they need IVF.

children are their own little peole precisely because they have their own genes and come to the world already formed to a great extent. what your example suggests that child's genes are not entirely predictable from their parent's genes. we know thy are not - beautiful actresses have homely children all the time etc. but there have been loads of research in this area and parents' genes matter a great deal.

Well, duh, "genes matter" -- life depends on them. Nobody's saying genes don't matter. Some people here are simply saying that sharing a genetic connection with your child isn't critical to forming the parent-child bond. I happen to agree. OP, you come off as sounding very self-righteous and with a grandiose sense of self, but you're also making very simple-minded points. We hear you, some people agree with you, others disagree, it's probably time to just move on and live in peace with the choices YOU make.

first of all, this is not OP, it's a different poster entirely. i happen to have kids and they are very much like me. a day doesn't pass without me noticing some insane similarity in the way they think about the world, people that is very similar to mine yet something they had no way of learning from me.

that said, there two separate issues here. one is a parent-child bond and the other one is controlling the genes that come from the mothetZ

as for the former, I don't doubt the bond, but at the same time, this is almost nobody's first choice. human psychology is such that peole adapt to whatever they are given. but that doesn't mean some outcomes are not more desirable than others.

as for the latter, trait inheritance has been studied for 50+ years. There is a strong correlation between parents and their bio offspring. this is just a fact. it's not 100% by any means (there are two parents to begin with and it's more complicate than that) but it remains the best way to control your child genes as much as you can control them at all.

now, of course, some of you might not like yourselves all that imuch so this is not much of a concern. some of us are very happy with the genetic ticket we were given and want to pass it along. it is for their own benefit, frankly, to the extent that that benefit can be controlled at all.

Self-replication - while certainly a biological reality - is not really the driving force behind wanting to love and nurture a child. I happen to love myself and feel pretty proud of my accomplishments (I'm a former professional ballet dancer who graduated phi beta kappa and most importantly - has been lucky enough to raise one incredible child). First and foremost though, I want to mother again. Something is clearly wrong with my fantastic genes, since I have lost 8 babies (so far....). If taking my seemingly amazing, but apparently wonky genetics out of the reproductive equation allows me to love and raise another baby, so be it. I am currently 37 weeks pregnant with a baby that I pray makes it into t he world alive, and after so much heartbreak, I am prepared for the worst. But if epigenetics allows my genes to impact the genes of a baby whose cells came from donated genetics to thrive, so be it. Science also tells me that I carry with me in my blood the DNA of the many babies I have lost. They will also be with me, and the daughter I am lucky to be carrying. A daughter, I have mentioned earlier, who will have full access to her biological history, because she deserves it. I pray daily for my one living OE child that she hasn't inherited a future of miscarriages and dead babies, along with my intelligence and artistic abilities.

PP i am not on a all that different of a page as you are except that i managed to have children without DE (or any miscarriages for that matter). I am not like OP in having some kind of principled opposition to DE. I think it's great that the option exists. I would probably pursue it myself especially if I had no children (not sure about siblings which was a situation I was facing).

what I don't like is a premature pressure by REs who present it as an only viable option for parenthood (which it might be for some but there are numerous cases where that was plainly not the case) and dismissal of the role that genetic inheritance plays in creating a child. like, it doesn't matter at all and you are a fool for even thinking about it ("do you want a baby or not"). this is my beef with DE. I don't judge people (patients) who pursued DE negatively at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I Was told at 35/36 donor eggs were the way to go because of severe DOR. I couldn’t do it for all of the reasons mentioned by OP. Luckily changed RE’s and protocols and gpt my DD at 37. We have 10 bio embryos on ice untested - we start our first FET for #2 next month and if none of them work out we’re done. My DD is all my husband at 14 months (looks and personality) but I know she’s mine - i couldn’t have forseen that and imagine that if she had been via donor egg it would be truly hard for me. Just being honest.

I think most women feel the exact same way as you but don’t want to admit it.

No one here is saying DE is their primary choice and that making the decision to create a family using a donated egg (or sperm) is easy. It isn’t and good for you for pursuing a second opinion. Most couples who have chosen to use donor eggs/donor sperm have been through hell and back already, so this provides them an option for another chance—it isn’t a guarantee that after 10’s of thousands of dollars are paid that you will finally have success.

As for OP, I can’t read your last post. I just can’t with you. I’m guessing you think gay and lesbian couples have no morals for pursuing their dreams of a family either. You are truly a dispicable, disgusting, hateful, cruel, narrow minded, miserable excuse for a human being.

/done

Yeah, get out of the conversation, scumbag, because you did not read my post at all and you have nothing intelligent to write. You are like many self-serving morons out there, if a conversation doesn't serve you, you turn to insults. So in turn I insult you: you lowlife scumbag.

NP here. You should get help for your anger issues, OP.

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Anonymous wrote:I Was told at 35/36 donor eggs were the way to go because of severe DOR. I couldn’t do it for all of the reasons mentioned by OP. Luckily changed RE’s and protocols and gpt my DD at 37. We have 10 bio embryos on ice untested - we start our first FET for #2 next month and if none of them work out we’re done. My DD is all my husband at 14 months (looks and personality) but I know she’s mine - i couldn’t have forseen that and imagine that if she had been via donor egg it would be truly hard for me. Just being honest.

I think most women feel the exact same way as you but don’t want to admit it.

No one here is saying DE is their primary choice and that making the decision to create a family using a donated egg (or sperm) is easy. It isn’t and good for you for pursuing a second opinion. Most couples who have chosen to use donor eggs/donor sperm have been through hell and back already, so this provides them an option for another chance—it isn’t a guarantee that after 10’s of thousands of dollars are paid that you will finally have success.

As for OP, I can’t read your last post. I just can’t with you. I’m guessing you think gay and lesbian couples have no morals for pursuing their dreams of a family either. You are truly a dispicable, disgusting, hateful, cruel, narrow minded, miserable excuse for a human being.

/done

Yeah, get out of the conversation, scumbag, because you did not read my post at all and you have nothing intelligent to write. You are like many self-serving morons out there, if a conversation doesn't serve you, you turn to insults. So in turn I insult you: you lowlife scumbag.

NP here. You should get help for your anger issues, OP.

Right, but the PP who outright insulted me, assumed things about me and spewed hatred should not get help? Wow, talk about self-serving hypocrites. Did either you or that PP read my points? They are so far removed from anything that PP said about me.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many people who don’t “get” de are childless. As a parent of conceived naturally, I can see how little of being a parent is dependent on a genetic relationship.

Actually, I totally disagree. Children can be frustrating and exhausting, especially if one is dealing with special needs. With your own genetic child, the love and connection is there automatically. If raising a difficult child that is not your own, I can see how it would be much harder to deal with.

Np here. I actually was more open to DE after having a child genetically my own. They are their own little people, with thoughts, feelings and personalities unto themselves. I realized the genetics were less important, not more, once I had my own kid. I did go on to have a second on our own, but truthfully her personality is so different from mine she could have been from another mother. I'm told she looks like me, but again, she's her own person with her own way of doing things.

If you are not comfortable with the idea of DE, you have a choice, you don't have to do it. I do agree some doctors gloss over the emotional component of the decision, much like many people ignore the real difficulties involved when they say "just adopt". There are not enough children looking for homes as there are families looking to adopt. It's expensive and often heartbreaking. Truthfully I think many RE's push IVF without digging in to find the cause of someone's infertility. Thyroid and immune issues in particular are often not well treated before someone is told they need IVF.

children are their own little peole precisely because they have their own genes and come to the world already formed to a great extent. what your example suggests that child's genes are not entirely predictable from their parent's genes. we know thy are not - beautiful actresses have homely children all the time etc. but there have been loads of research in this area and parents' genes matter a great deal.

Well, duh, "genes matter" -- life depends on them. Nobody's saying genes don't matter. Some people here are simply saying that sharing a genetic connection with your child isn't critical to forming the parent-child bond. I happen to agree. OP, you come off as sounding very self-righteous and with a grandiose sense of self, but you're also making very simple-minded points. We hear you, some people agree with you, others disagree, it's probably time to just move on and live in peace with the choices YOU make.

first of all, this is not OP, it's a different poster entirely. i happen to have kids and they are very much like me. a day doesn't pass without me noticing some insane similarity in the way they think about the world, people that is very similar to mine yet something they had no way of learning from me.

that said, there two separate issues here. one is a parent-child bond and the other one is controlling the genes that come from the mothetZ

as for the former, I don't doubt the bond, but at the same time, this is almost nobody's first choice. human psychology is such that peole adapt to whatever they are given. but that doesn't mean some outcomes are not more desirable than others.

as for the latter, trait inheritance has been studied for 50+ years. There is a strong correlation between parents and their bio offspring. this is just a fact. it's not 100% by any means (there are two parents to begin with and it's more complicate than that) but it remains the best way to control your child genes as much as you can control them at all.

now, of course, some of you might not like yourselves all that imuch so this is not much of a concern. some of us are very happy with the genetic ticket we were given and want to pass it along. it is for their own benefit, frankly, to the extent that that benefit can be controlled at all.

Self-replication - while certainly a biological reality - is not really the driving force behind wanting to love and nurture a child. I happen to love myself and feel pretty proud of my accomplishments (I'm a former professional ballet dancer who graduated phi beta kappa and most importantly - has been lucky enough to raise one incredible child). First and foremost though, I want to mother again. Something is clearly wrong with my fantastic genes, since I have lost 8 babies (so far....). If taking my seemingly amazing, but apparently wonky genetics out of the reproductive equation allows me to love and raise another baby, so be it. I am currently 37 weeks pregnant with a baby that I pray makes it into t he world alive, and after so much heartbreak, I am prepared for the worst. But if epigenetics allows my genes to impact the genes of a baby whose cells came from donated genetics to thrive, so be it. Science also tells me that I carry with me in my blood the DNA of the many babies I have lost. They will also be with me, and the daughter I am lucky to be carrying. A daughter, I have mentioned earlier, who will have full access to her biological history, because she deserves it. I pray daily for my one living OE child that she hasn't inherited a future of miscarriages and dead babies, along with my intelligence and artistic abilities.

PP i am not on a all that different of a page as you are except that i managed to have children without DE (or any miscarriages for that matter). I am not like OP in having some kind of principled opposition to DE. I think it's great that the option exists. I would probably pursue it myself especially if I had no children (not sure about siblings which was a situation I was facing).

what I don't like is a premature pressure by REs who present it as an only viable option for parenthood (which it might be for some but there are numerous cases where that was plainly not the case) and dismissal of the role that genetic inheritance plays in creating a child. like, it doesn't matter at all and you are a fool for even thinking about it ("do you want a baby or not"). this is my beef with DE. I don't judge people (patients) who pursued DE negatively at all.

So other than adoption, what would be the path to parenthood for someone whose OE did not work?

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Anonymous wrote:I think many people who don’t “get” de are childless. As a parent of conceived naturally, I can see how little of being a parent is dependent on a genetic relationship.

Actually, I totally disagree. Children can be frustrating and exhausting, especially if one is dealing with special needs. With your own genetic child, the love and connection is there automatically. If raising a difficult child that is not your own, I can see how it would be much harder to deal with.

Np here. I actually was more open to DE after having a child genetically my own. They are their own little people, with thoughts, feelings and personalities unto themselves. I realized the genetics were less important, not more, once I had my own kid. I did go on to have a second on our own, but truthfully her personality is so different from mine she could have been from another mother. I'm told she looks like me, but again, she's her own person with her own way of doing things.

If you are not comfortable with the idea of DE, you have a choice, you don't have to do it. I do agree some doctors gloss over the emotional component of the decision, much like many people ignore the real difficulties involved when they say "just adopt". There are not enough children looking for homes as there are families looking to adopt. It's expensive and often heartbreaking. Truthfully I think many RE's push IVF without digging in to find the cause of someone's infertility. Thyroid and immune issues in particular are often not well treated before someone is told they need IVF.

children are their own little peole precisely because they have their own genes and come to the world already formed to a great extent. what your example suggests that child's genes are not entirely predictable from their parent's genes. we know thy are not - beautiful actresses have homely children all the time etc. but there have been loads of research in this area and parents' genes matter a great deal.

Well, duh, "genes matter" -- life depends on them. Nobody's saying genes don't matter. Some people here are simply saying that sharing a genetic connection with your child isn't critical to forming the parent-child bond. I happen to agree. OP, you come off as sounding very self-righteous and with a grandiose sense of self, but you're also making very simple-minded points. We hear you, some people agree with you, others disagree, it's probably time to just move on and live in peace with the choices YOU make.

first of all, this is not OP, it's a different poster entirely. i happen to have kids and they are very much like me. a day doesn't pass without me noticing some insane similarity in the way they think about the world, people that is very similar to mine yet something they had no way of learning from me.

that said, there two separate issues here. one is a parent-child bond and the other one is controlling the genes that come from the mothetZ

as for the former, I don't doubt the bond, but at the same time, this is almost nobody's first choice. human psychology is such that peole adapt to whatever they are given. but that doesn't mean some outcomes are not more desirable than others.

as for the latter, trait inheritance has been studied for 50+ years. There is a strong correlation between parents and their bio offspring. this is just a fact. it's not 100% by any means (there are two parents to begin with and it's more complicate than that) but it remains the best way to control your child genes as much as you can control them at all.

now, of course, some of you might not like yourselves all that imuch so this is not much of a concern. some of us are very happy with the genetic ticket we were given and want to pass it along. it is for their own benefit, frankly, to the extent that that benefit can be controlled at all.

Self-replication - while certainly a biological reality - is not really the driving force behind wanting to love and nurture a child. I happen to love myself and feel pretty proud of my accomplishments (I'm a former professional ballet dancer who graduated phi beta kappa and most importantly - has been lucky enough to raise one incredible child). First and foremost though, I want to mother again. Something is clearly wrong with my fantastic genes, since I have lost 8 babies (so far....). If taking my seemingly amazing, but apparently wonky genetics out of the reproductive equation allows me to love and raise another baby, so be it. I am currently 37 weeks pregnant with a baby that I pray makes it into t he world alive, and after so much heartbreak, I am prepared for the worst. But if epigenetics allows my genes to impact the genes of a baby whose cells came from donated genetics to thrive, so be it. Science also tells me that I carry with me in my blood the DNA of the many babies I have lost. They will also be with me, and the daughter I am lucky to be carrying. A daughter, I have mentioned earlier, who will have full access to her biological history, because she deserves it. I pray daily for my one living OE child that she hasn't inherited a future of miscarriages and dead babies, along with my intelligence and artistic abilities.

PP i am not on a all that different of a page as you are except that i managed to have children without DE (or any miscarriages for that matter). I am not like OP in having some kind of principled opposition to DE. I think it's great that the option exists. I would probably pursue it myself especially if I had no children (not sure about siblings which was a situation I was facing).

what I don't like is a premature pressure by REs who present it as an only viable option for parenthood (which it might be for some but there are numerous cases where that was plainly not the case) and dismissal of the role that genetic inheritance plays in creating a child. like, it doesn't matter at all and you are a fool for even thinking about it ("do you want a baby or not"). this is my beef with DE. I don't judge people (patients) who pursued DE negatively at all.

So other than adoption, what would be the path to parenthood for someone whose OE did not work?

"OE didn't work" is a very broad category. DE (and adoption) are the only viable options for a 45 year old woman with bad numbers and no children. however, DEs are often pushed on women who are younger than, say, 42, have decent numbers and often a child at home with diagnosis "unexplained". this is a very different type of cases. i mean, the very fact that so many cases are "unexplained" shows that ability of REs to understand what is going on with a given woman is limited. not necessarily their fault, just where we are medical-knowledge wise. which is all the more reason not to push for fairly radical solutions like DE in those situations (of course they do this is by pretending that this is not radical solution at all, just another treatment like moving from BC pills to estrogen priming).

of course, if you have been struggling for many years and had many miscarriages it makes sense to move on to DE. not everyone is in that place in terms of medical and emotional mileage or financial resources.

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Anonymous wrote:My DE kids are my kids! I never think about their genes. They act (but they don't look) like my bio child because they were raised in the same family with the same values. The donor was of a lower SES but she was also an immigrant (like my low SES parents). Her SES probably has nothing to do with her intelligence and everything to do with her circumstances. Anyway, all of my kids are kind and sweet and are doing great academically. I couldn't care less about their genetic material.

you don't think about your children's genes but people who have their genetic children often observe amazing similarities. it is an extra connection and extra dimension.

I also have a biological child. My bio child and my donor egg twins all have very different personalities. I see a bit of me in each one of them. There is no extra dimension in my relationship with my bio child. In fact I pretty much never think about it.

I love hearing this, PP I have a bio child but also severe DOR (I'm in my early 30s, we conceived my daughter while pursuing donor eggs) and I've thought a lot about the dynamic between DE and OE children. We're likely heading down the DE route soon and this is so nice to see.

I'm the PP with the DE twins and an older bio child. I really do adore all three children equally and since I've carried and nurtured each one of them since day one, they are all my kids.

The kids know that my eggs were "sick" and I used another woman's eggs to conceive the twins. I started telling them the story occasionally (if we were having a related discussion) from the time the twins were about age 3. I have also explained simple biology to them in the sense that we inherit one chromosome from each pair of chromosomes from each parent. I explained that the twins got one set of chromosomes from dad and the other set from the donor. The twins are almost seven and are starting to understand the implications. They ask a few questions and then they want to know who's turn it is to play Minecraft. The questions and feelings will inevitably become more complex with time, but for now the discussion is pretty dry and scientific.

PP, I hope you’re not implying that since I didn’t carry and deliver my daughter, but rather adopted her, that she is not my child.

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Anonymous wrote:My DE kids are my kids! I never think about their genes. They act (but they don't look) like my bio child because they were raised in the same family with the same values. The donor was of a lower SES but she was also an immigrant (like my low SES parents). Her SES probably has nothing to do with her intelligence and everything to do with her circumstances. Anyway, all of my kids are kind and sweet and are doing great academically. I couldn't care less about their genetic material.

you don't think about your children's genes but people who have their genetic children often observe amazing similarities. it is an extra connection and extra dimension.

I also have a biological child. My bio child and my donor egg twins all have very different personalities. I see a bit of me in each one of them. There is no extra dimension in my relationship with my bio child. In fact I pretty much never think about it.

I love hearing this, PP I have a bio child but also severe DOR (I'm in my early 30s, we conceived my daughter while pursuing donor eggs) and I've thought a lot about the dynamic between DE and OE children. We're likely heading down the DE route soon and this is so nice to see.

I'm the PP with the DE twins and an older bio child. I really do adore all three children equally and since I've carried and nurtured each one of them since day one, they are all my kids.

The kids know that my eggs were "sick" and I used another woman's eggs to conceive the twins. I started telling them the story occasionally (if we were having a related discussion) from the time the twins were about age 3. I have also explained simple biology to them in the sense that we inherit one chromosome from each pair of chromosomes from each parent. I explained that the twins got one set of chromosomes from dad and the other set from the donor. The twins are almost seven and are starting to understand the implications. They ask a few questions and then they want to know who's turn it is to play Minecraft. The questions and feelings will inevitably become more complex with time, but for now the discussion is pretty dry and scientific.

PP, I hope you’re not implying that since I didn’t carry and deliver my daughter, but rather adopted her, that she is not my child.

No. You are looking for reasons to be offended. I cannot judge your relationship with your child just like the anti-DE people cannot judge my relationship with my children. I would absolutely believe you if you said you bond with your adopted children is the same as my bond with my OE and DE children.

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PP here. I am sorry that I got defensive about adoption. Your phrasing, while probably unintentional, is what many anti-adoption people use to negate an adoptee’s connection with their adoptive family so it naturally raised my hackles. I absolutely believe (and assume, until proven otherwise) that adopted, DE, surrogate, etc. children are loved equally to biological/genetic children. I also have bio children (so I know what it’s like to love both biologically unrelated and related children), and I’m an adult adoptee who has reunited with my birth family (so I know what it’s like to have a relationship with parents biologically unrelated to me and those who are indeed biologically related).

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. I am sorry that I got defensive about adoption. Your phrasing, while probably unintentional, is what many anti-adoption people use to negate an adoptee’s connection with their adoptive family so it naturally raised my hackles. I absolutely believe (and assume, until proven otherwise) that adopted, DE, surrogate, etc. children are loved equally to biological/genetic children. I also have bio children (so I know what it’s like to love both biologically unrelated and related children), and I’m an adult adoptee who has reunited with my birth family (so I know what it’s like to have a relationship with parents biologically unrelated to me and those who are indeed biologically related).

I come from a culture where middle class families often take in poor children and raise them as their own. Two of my cousins were the children of a poor "washer woman" who had eleven kids. They were raised by my aunt (They were never legally adopted. She just took them from the street and brought them to her house) and nobody even refers to them as adopted. They are simply Auntie Larla's daughters and they always have been. So I was raised to believe that families are fluid. Whoever happens to be living in your house at any given time is your family - no questions asked.

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I didn’t read the whole thread but I have twins from DE. We went to the Czech Republic and it was anonymously. We got to request some things and I said 1.) Blonde and fair (like me), 2.) Young 3.) a sunny disposition. We had started looking at ED here but the whole match.com like process was a huge turnoff. I said those three things and left it up to fate. My twins look like me and they are definitely my children. In the Czech women aren’t stimulated here so you don’t get as many eggs. They also have to be currently in university or college educated. I didn’t want to go somewhere were I felt they were exploited for eggs. I don’t regret it for a second but it took me about 5 years to come with terms of needing a ED. Ended up with a natural surprise pregnancy when they were 11 months old. The whole thing cost 6k. Best decision of our life. We went to Zlin. They were fabulous and professional.

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Pp here. Egg donor children are biologically your children if you carry them, they are not genetically but they are biologically. The carrier will turn on the genetic markers though so the child technically ends up with 3 people’s DNA the sperm carrier, the egg donor and the surrogate.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Egg donor children are biologically your children if you carry them, they are not genetically but they are biologically. The carrier will turn on the genetic markers though so the child technically ends up with 3 people’s DNA the sperm carrier, the egg donor and the surrogate.

Rationalizing it that way is definitely easier but we all know that's simply not the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Egg donor children are biologically your children if you carry them, they are not genetically but they are biologically. The carrier will turn on the genetic markers though so the child technically ends up with 3 people’s DNA the sperm carrier, the egg donor and the surrogate.

Rationalizing it that way is definitely easier but we all know that's simply not the truth.

Why are you such a dick?

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I don't know what you mean about RE clinics pushing DE on 40+ women. I came to SGF, a mother of all baby factories, at 41.5. No one even mentioned DE to me. I had a single successful cycle that produced multiple viable embryos. So it is just not true that DE is the preferred solution for 40+ patients before trying other things.

If you are 40+ and had multiple cycles without success, it's only normal that the doctor will suggest DE. It would be way easier and more lucrative for them to keep selling you cycle after cycle with OE while lying that it's all a matter of trying hard enough.