Donor eggs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In my view my husband would have a child with another woman not me. No matter how blasé REs are about that and how much uproar comes from the group that says that genetic connection doesn't matter, no matter how nicely packaged the offer of donor egg, the plain truth is that my husband would be procreating with another woman. That's why I could never do it.

I know that people are nicer on this forum than on the other DCUMs forums, but I think you are crazy. Or maybe a troll.

I was in my early 40s when I was ready to start a family. Nobody pushed donor eggs on me, but I was given some sobering stats about my odds of conceiving with my own eggs. If you are willing to try, go through multiple rounds of IVF, bank embryos, test, and then see if it works, then more power to you. Quite frankly, this is the more lucrative path for the fertility clinics. But if that does not work, DE may be the only way to become pregnant. Please don't even try to take the joy of parenting away from women who went the DE route. This may not be for you, but those who gave birth with DE, gave birth to THEIR children and they love them from the bottom of their heart.

Well let's have a poll then - if you used DE for $$$, would you pay the same $$$ for something that gave you your own eggs? Maybe more? or not?

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OP here - no, just basing my opinions on what I consider morally right (1), what doesn't work for me personally (2), and the realistic state of the IVF industry (3). I am not interested in sugar coating DE process. I am especially not interested in making infertility clinics rich for little effort they invest to truly help people. If you are an RE and if you have done 100 egg retrievals and have used cookie cutter protocols you will be skilled at it even if you are of lower IQ. So, really they have no reason whatsoever to justify their costs. Inventing new methods for DOR, older women, and those with complicated scenarios and making it possible for those populations to have their own genetic children would make me respect those clinics and "experts" more. I am not fond of Walmart packaged and sold as Whole Foods.

Again, it sounds like you think the IVF industry should follow a vision you have for them. And they just really don't care. They have their own view on how they ought to operate, and it works for them and thousands of women. Are you that resentful that no one has invented a cure for cancer yet? You think medicine has an answer for everything and they just keep it under lock and key for some evil reasons of their own? There isn't currently a way to make women produce viable eggs regardless of age. If there was, believe me, they'd find a way to make you buy it.

OP here - why would they invest any time, effort, and money (from huge profits) to get women viable eggs? [/quote

Because you will be delighted to pay for it.

OP here - They don't invest money in new innovations to get women their own viable eggs because it is cheaper to substitute DEs by using old drugs and protocols on donors. You probably work for infertility industry and are threatened when people start speaking up the real truth. If you are RE you are scared to lose your 350k salary, $2.5 mortgage on Bethesda home, vacation to Bahamas, and tutors for your kids. I get it. You have too much at stake for too little that you give to people that you rip off.

Now you're going into the crazy category. I understand that infertility is hurtful but what you're doing is not productive.

I am a 44-year old RE patient who had two kids with my own eggs at 41 and 44. No one pushed DEs on me because they were happy with my numbers - for a good reason, since I was able to conceive and carry term with my own material. If my numbers did not stack up, they would probably suggest DEs because that's what's available right now for women who cannot produce their own eggs. It's not personal. You have this weird delusion that the RE industry owes it to you to invest in whatever you think will give you your own eggs (even if science doesn't know of anything to produce this result). Like if you stomp your feet loud enough and somehow force them to pour enough money into it, you'd get the result you want?

Do you also think medicine didn't yet find a cure for cancer because multiple rounds of radiation and chemo are more lucrative? If there was a way to make older women produce their own eggs, they would happily pay DE-level costs for them. (DE patients - would you?)

OP here - I am well versed in the health care system (probably more than you to be frank) to know that profits absolutely outweigh the interests of patients. If you want to get into it, I can get into it and prove it to you. Yes, believe it or not, when you examine the movement of capital in the healthcare system they indeed OWE US new inventions. Shocking, I know.

[Anonymous]

I'm the PP who endured six years of miscarriages and second trimester losses (8 total) - all with OE and natural conceptions because I'm hella fertile - and ultimately made the decision to switch to DE so I could actually hold and nurture and mother a living baby. the fact is, there is a ton of research being done right now that involves using the bioloigical mother's DNA in creating an embryo, it's called mitochondrial transfer.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/27/worlds-first-baby-born-using-dna-from-three-parents

Would I have loved to have attempted something like this to keep my bloodline in my baby's mix? Of course. I am Jewish, one of the last in the line of a family tree decimated by the holocaust. There was enormous soul-searching in this process. But at 42 I ran out of time. I had been trying and failing to have a healthy baby to love since I was 37. How many more years of empty arms and heartache could I endure.

Going down this path wasn't easy at all, and I am happy that US clinics generally require counseling before embarking on it. I had been in therapy for my RPL for years anyways, so I was privileged to be able to think this all through with a neutral third party.

I also want to note though that the science behind epigenetics IS fascinating. I do think the DE community sometimes makes more of it than is really there, but the interplay between a biological mother's RNA, and the DNA of a donor is quite real. In my case, I also take comfort in knowing that my the baby I am growing is also coming into contact with the DNA of the babies that never made it before her. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/babys-cells-can-manipulate-moms-body-decades-180956493/

https://justonemorebaby.blogspot.com

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who endured six years of miscarriages and second trimester losses (8 total) - all with OE and natural conceptions because I'm hella fertile - and ultimately made the decision to switch to DE so I could actually hold and nurture and mother a living baby. the fact is, there is a ton of research being done right now that involves using the bioloigical mother's DNA in creating an embryo, it's called mitochondrial transfer.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/27/worlds-first-baby-born-using-dna-from-three-parents

Would I have loved to have attempted something like this to keep my bloodline in my baby's mix? Of course. I am Jewish, one of the last in the line of a family tree decimated by the holocaust. There was enormous soul-searching in this process. But at 42 I ran out of time. I had been trying and failing to have a healthy baby to love since I was 37. How many more years of empty arms and heartache could I endure.

Going down this path wasn't easy at all, and I am happy that US clinics generally require counseling before embarking on it. I had been in therapy for my RPL for years anyways, so I was privileged to be able to think this all through with a neutral third party.

I also want to note though that the science behind epigenetics IS fascinating. I do think the DE community sometimes makes more of it than is really there, but the interplay between a biological mother's RNA, and the DNA of a donor is quite real. In my case, I also take comfort in knowing that my the baby I am growing is also coming into contact with the DNA of the babies that never made it before her. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/babys-cells-can-manipulate-moms-body-decades-180956493/

https://justonemorebaby.blogspot.com

OP here - I am wishing you all the best, safe delivery, and healthy baby.

[Anonymous]

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OP here - I am well versed in the health care system (probably more than you to be frank) to know that profits absolutely outweigh the interests of patients. If you want to get into it, I can get into it and prove it to you. Yes, believe it or not, when you examine the movement of capital in the healthcare system they indeed OWE US new inventions. Shocking, I know.

First I'm a RE doctor, and then you're better versed in the healthcare system? Do you just make it up as you go to make your argument look good?

Again - if the RE clinic pushed you toward DE, and looking at the accounts of multiple 40+ women who were NOT pushed toward DE, do you think there might be possibly - just possibly - something about your medical profile that indicates it? Or are you just angry?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
OP here - I am well versed in the health care system (probably more than you to be frank) to know that profits absolutely outweigh the interests of patients. If you want to get into it, I can get into it and prove it to you. Yes, believe it or not, when you examine the movement of capital in the healthcare system they indeed OWE US new inventions. Shocking, I know.

First I'm a RE doctor, and then you're better versed in the healthcare system? Do you just make it up as you go to make your argument look good?

Again - if the RE clinic pushed you toward DE, and looking at the accounts of multiple 40+ women who were NOT pushed toward DE, do you think there might be possibly - just possibly - something about your medical profile that indicates it? Or are you just angry?

The one who is angry is you. You are angry that there are some of us who DARE to question the status quo, who know few things about the capital structure of your industry in addition to others. That's why you are so persistent on this thread. You want the good times to last: your 350k salary, your fancy living, your designers clothes, your private schools, I get it. You think you deserve it because you went through medical school (ummm, ever heard of IBM Watson - yeah, sorry, he is smarter than you). Not to worry though. DE business model will last another few years, in time for you to pay off medical student loans. But unfortunately it won't last forever, all good things come to an end. Enjoy it will you can. Patients will demand better technologies and innovations with or without this thread. It will happen. CRISPAR/CAS9 is in infancy but knowing the exponential nature of the progress it's not far fetched. There will be at home monitoring kits. Huge profits from cycles that cost 20k+ will simply become unsustainable. Hey, don't hate me. It's how the business goes. And for the record no one pushed DEs on me. I am just looking at the infertility industry with eyes wide open. If you are in fact RE you should stop monitoring infertility boards for any "dissent" among patients and start inventing new technologies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
OP here - I am well versed in the health care system (probably more than you to be frank) to know that profits absolutely outweigh the interests of patients. If you want to get into it, I can get into it and prove it to you. Yes, believe it or not, when you examine the movement of capital in the healthcare system they indeed OWE US new inventions. Shocking, I know.

First I'm a RE doctor, and then you're better versed in the healthcare system? Do you just make it up as you go to make your argument look good?

Again - if the RE clinic pushed you toward DE, and looking at the accounts of multiple 40+ women who were NOT pushed toward DE, do you think there might be possibly - just possibly - something about your medical profile that indicates it? Or are you just angry?

The one who is angry is you. You are angry that there are some of us who DARE to question the status quo, who know few things about the capital structure of your industry in addition to others. That's why you are so persistent on this thread. You want the good times to last: your 350k salary, your fancy living, your designers clothes, your private schools, I get it. You think you deserve it because you went through medical school (ummm, ever heard of IBM Watson - yeah, sorry, he is smarter than you). Not to worry though. DE business model will last another few years, in time for you to pay off medical student loans. But unfortunately it won't last forever, all good things come to an end. Enjoy it will you can. Patients will demand better technologies and innovations with or without this thread. It will happen. CRISPAR/CAS9 is in infancy but knowing the exponential nature of the progress it's not far fetched. There will be at home monitoring kits. Huge profits from cycles that cost 20k+ will simply become unsustainable. Hey, don't hate me. It's how the business goes. And for the record no one pushed DEs on me. I am just looking at the infertility industry with eyes wide open. If you are in fact RE you should stop monitoring infertility boards for any "dissent" among patients and start inventing new technologies.

You're a textbook definition of crazy. I'm not a RE doctor but the RE industry has been great to me, giving me two healthy children well into my 40s with my own eggs. If my doctor has a nice house, I'm happy for her. She deserves it.

Maybe you should think about what you're doing to your genetic material with all that stress and anger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
OP here - I am well versed in the health care system (probably more than you to be frank) to know that profits absolutely outweigh the interests of patients. If you want to get into it, I can get into it and prove it to you. Yes, believe it or not, when you examine the movement of capital in the healthcare system they indeed OWE US new inventions. Shocking, I know.

First I'm a RE doctor, and then you're better versed in the healthcare system? Do you just make it up as you go to make your argument look good?

Again - if the RE clinic pushed you toward DE, and looking at the accounts of multiple 40+ women who were NOT pushed toward DE, do you think there might be possibly - just possibly - something about your medical profile that indicates it? Or are you just angry?

The one who is angry is you. You are angry that there are some of us who DARE to question the status quo, who know few things about the capital structure of your industry in addition to others. That's why you are so persistent on this thread. You want the good times to last: your 350k salary, your fancy living, your designers clothes, your private schools, I get it. You think you deserve it because you went through medical school (ummm, ever heard of IBM Watson - yeah, sorry, he is smarter than you). Not to worry though. DE business model will last another few years, in time for you to pay off medical student loans. But unfortunately it won't last forever, all good things come to an end. Enjoy it will you can. Patients will demand better technologies and innovations with or without this thread. It will happen. CRISPAR/CAS9 is in infancy but knowing the exponential nature of the progress it's not far fetched. There will be at home monitoring kits. Huge profits from cycles that cost 20k+ will simply become unsustainable. Hey, don't hate me. It's how the business goes. And for the record no one pushed DEs on me. I am just looking at the infertility industry with eyes wide open. If you are in fact RE you should stop monitoring infertility boards for any "dissent" among patients and start inventing new technologies.

You're a textbook definition of crazy. I'm not a RE doctor but the RE industry has been great to me, giving me two healthy children well into my 40s with my own eggs. If my doctor has a nice house, I'm happy for her. She deserves it.

Maybe you should think about what you're doing to your genetic material with all that stress and anger.

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[jsteele]

This thread has probably outlived any usefulness that it ever had.