Shooting in Munich

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its very difficult to understand what the above conversation reveals except the shooter grew up in Germany. I wonder why the person on the balcony was co froting them?

Maybe he was outraged, and brave?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN has this poignant quote:

A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the McDonald's. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to ear. They can't run." Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry."

I can't find that quote on CNN's website now. No other news outlet seems to be carrying the report. Do you have a link to the story?

I heard her on CNN too. Sorry, Jeff. I am not anti-Muslim.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/22/shots-fired-at-munich-shopping-centre/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Radical Islamic Terrorists. That is what Americans fear. Not Muslims.
The challenge is...... when we have people who seek asylum here or attempt to immigrate here - if asked if they are a terrorist, they are not going to answer in the affirmative.
Until we have a very good, fool-proof method of vetting these people, I am all for slowing down the immigration process. Even this administration’s foreign policy experts have said that we cannot adequately vet those coming from Syria.
This is not rocket science.

But Trump and his supporters want to ban *ALL* Muslims, not just those coming from Syria, but even those coming from the UK or Canada, for example. Trump has stated this outright. He has even intimated that American born Muslims to immigrant parents shouldn't be here after the San Bernadino shootings.

Nope. He has said we should put a moratorium on immigration from areas with entities known to promote radical Islamic terrorism UNTIL we can set up a system to properly screen the immigrants. Once they're properly screened, they can come in, if they qualify.

Hasn't Obama done the same thing, essentially, on February 18, 2016, when DHS announced further travel restrictions on those who are from or who recently travelled to Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, etc.?

Why does Obama get a pass on these implemented restrictions while Trump is attacked simply for proposing the same idea?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN has this poignant quote:

A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the McDonald's. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to ear. They can't run." Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry."

I can't find that quote on CNN's website now. No other news outlet seems to be carrying the report. Do you have a link to the story?

I heard her on CNN too. Sorry, Jeff. I am not anti-Muslim.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/22/shots-fired-at-munich-shopping-centre/

I honestly couldn't find it. I used command-f to search the story I found and used CNN's search tool to search for other stories. Thanks to the link above, I've now found it.

[Anonymous]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3703705/Major-police-investigation-way-shots-fired-shopping-centre-Munich.html

Attacker killing kids and shouting Allah Ackbar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Any German speakers should check out this video which is supposed to be the shooter from the McDonalds on the roof of a parking garage:

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/756553983250931712

According to translations in the subsequent tweets, the shooter says he is German, was born in Germany, and was bullied while in social services. But, if a good German-speaker could confirm this, it would be helpful.

He could have been born in Germany but is the child of immigrants and most likely he is Muslim is my bet.

Yep. I lived in Berlin and Munich 2002-2004. Safe, safe cities. Big Turkish population in Berlin that was well assimilated.

Let's say it : radical Islam. That is what has gone viral. Freaks are drawn to it like a magnet. You can be nice and sweet and they still want to kill you because you are a non-believer (yes you newborn baby, 10-year old boy, etc).

They are told to come. Fit in and lay low (like the 9/11 killers at the strip bars; the college student and his brother responsible for the Boston bombings, the Orlando shooter that frequented Pulse)...all described as friendly. Read the websites by Isil, etc on how to spread Islam. Chilling.

I'm not afraid of immigration. My ancestors were immigrants. I'm afraid of the current talk of "let them all in and just be nice"...completely missing the point of that some are banking on just that to spread the evil dogma.

It's the ideology we need to change. Yes, war and bombing will probably only make it spread---but teaching these actions are bad and it's a threat to humanity and you should t do this to susceptible populations is not being done either---we aren't even allowed to call it what it is.

This is on Muslims. If I were Muslim, I would be enraged that this keeps going on. Every normal Muslim should be on the warpath against this. Muslim leaders need to stand up and show the world they will not tolerate it. They should say loud and clear to anyone considering this form of "Islam", "We will find you wherever you are, there is no place you can hide from us. Your relatives will turn you in, your neighbors will turn you in, your fellow Muslims everywhere will despise you forever if you turn toward "radical islam. We've had enough. When you behave this way, you hurt all Muslims." Etc.

We cant' do this. Muslims need to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Any German speakers should check out this video which is supposed to be the shooter from the McDonalds on the roof of a parking garage:

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/756553983250931712

According to translations in the subsequent tweets, the shooter says he is German, was born in Germany, and was bullied while in social services. But, if a good German-speaker could confirm this, it would be helpful.

He could have been born in Germany but is the child of immigrants and most likely he is Muslim is my bet.

Yep. I lived in Berlin and Munich 2002-2004. Safe, safe cities. Big Turkish population in Berlin that was well assimilated.

Let's say it : radical Islam. That is what has gone viral. Freaks are drawn to it like a magnet. You can be nice and sweet and they still want to kill you because you are a non-believer (yes you newborn baby, 10-year old boy, etc).

They are told to come. Fit in and lay low (like the 9/11 killers at the strip bars; the college student and his brother responsible for the Boston bombings, the Orlando shooter that frequented Pulse)...all described as friendly. Read the websites by Isil, etc on how to spread Islam. Chilling.

I'm not afraid of immigration. My ancestors were immigrants. I'm afraid of the current talk of "let them all in and just be nice"...completely missing the point of that some are banking on just that to spread the evil dogma.

It's the ideology we need to change. Yes, war and bombing will probably only make it spread---but teaching these actions are bad and it's a threat to humanity and you should t do this to susceptible populations is not being done either---we aren't even allowed to call it what it is.

This is on Muslims. If I were Muslim, I would be enraged that this keeps going on. Every normal Muslim should be on the warpath against this. Muslim leaders need to stand up and show the world they will not tolerate it. They should say loud and clear to anyone considering this form of "Islam", "We will find you wherever you are, there is no place you can hide from us. Your relatives will turn you in, your neighbors will turn you in, your fellow Muslims everywhere will despise you forever if you turn toward "radical islam. We've had enough. When you behave this way, you hurt all Muslims." Etc.

We cant' do this. Muslims need to do it.

We.dont know who did this. But in relation to nice, or the train attack What I dont understand is they ARE victims too. You can see Muslims running in the crowd. Look at the havoc being wreaked in many majority Muslim countries. I completely understand feeling somewhat defensive when you yourself are not personally responsible and not wanting to take on responsibility for fiends, but with an eye to long term change why is there no serious reform movement underway to bring Islam into alignment with equality,tolerance and forgiveness (or at least seeking more positive redress) for historical grievance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its very difficult to understand what the above conversation reveals except the shooter grew up in Germany. I wonder why the person on the balcony was co froting them?

Maybe he was outraged, and brave?

I completely understand what you are saying, but I am curious why he engaged in the first place. From the transcript it seems like the gun east spotted for a few lines of exchange. Was it something the person was doing or how they were dressed that grabbed his attention..or had he spotted the gun right off, in which case why not call police? The whole exchange will undoubtedly spread light but right now is very puzzling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Any German speakers should check out this video which is supposed to be the shooter from the McDonalds on the roof of a parking garage:

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/756553983250931712

According to translations in the subsequent tweets, the shooter says he is German, was born in Germany, and was bullied while in social services. But, if a good German-speaker could confirm this, it would be helpful.

He could have been born in Germany but is the child of immigrants and most likely he is Muslim is my bet.

Yep. I lived in Berlin and Munich 2002-2004. Safe, safe cities. Big Turkish population in Berlin that was well assimilated.

Let's say it : radical Islam. That is what has gone viral. Freaks are drawn to it like a magnet. You can be nice and sweet and they still want to kill you because you are a non-believer (yes you newborn baby, 10-year old boy, etc).

They are told to come. Fit in and lay low (like the 9/11 killers at the strip bars; the college student and his brother responsible for the Boston bombings, the Orlando shooter that frequented Pulse)...all described as friendly. Read the websites by Isil, etc on how to spread Islam. Chilling.

I'm not afraid of immigration. My ancestors were immigrants. I'm afraid of the current talk of "let them all in and just be nice"...completely missing the point of that some are banking on just that to spread the evil dogma.

It's the ideology we need to change. Yes, war and bombing will probably only make it spread---but teaching these actions are bad and it's a threat to humanity and you should t do this to susceptible populations is not being done either---we aren't even allowed to call it what it is.

This is on Muslims. If I were Muslim, I would be enraged that this keeps going on. Every normal Muslim should be on the warpath against this. Muslim leaders need to stand up and show the world they will not tolerate it. They should say loud and clear to anyone considering this form of "Islam", "We will find you wherever you are, there is no place you can hide from us. Your relatives will turn you in, your neighbors will turn you in, your fellow Muslims everywhere will despise you forever if you turn toward "radical islam. We've had enough. When you behave this way, you hurt all Muslims." Etc.

We cant' do this. Muslims need to do it.

We.dont know who did this. But in relation to nice, or the train attack What I dont understand is they ARE victims too. You can see Muslims running in the crowd. Look at the havoc being wreaked in many majority Muslim countries. I completely understand feeling somewhat defensive when you yourself are not personally responsible and not wanting to take on responsibility for fiends, but with an eye to long term change why is there no serious reform movement underway to bring Islam into alignment with equality,tolerance and forgiveness (or at least seeking more positive redress) for historical grievance?

I don't understand this.

[Anonymous]

Why isn't there a reform movement that emphasizes women's rights, love for all faiths , etc?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why isn't there a reform movement that emphasizes women's rights, love for all faiths , etc?

Like the teachings of Islam--that highly values women--ha!

[jsteele]

Police now saying that there was a single shooter and he killed himself:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36873180

[Anonymous]

"The U.S. military began a headcount of all its personnel -- some 62,000 -- and their dependents throughout Europe to confirm their safety."

Saw this on CNN. Is this normal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. military began a headcount of all its personnel -- some 62,000 -- and their dependents throughout Europe to confirm their safety."

Saw this on CNN. Is this normal?

Link is http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. military began a headcount of all its personnel -- some 62,000 -- and their dependents throughout Europe to confirm their safety."

Saw this on CNN. Is this normal?

Yes.