Pomona falls to ADL, Brandeis Center for Antisemitism, no mention of Islamophobia

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Anonymous wrote:What, are you trying to dox or threaten this person by asking them where they are from and where they reside now? It only takes a minute for the pro-Israeli side to decide to become menacing.
This person, wherever they are, has the right to their own narrative. We don’t need the Israeli propaganda narrative shoved down our throats about how good the minorities have it in Israel and how awful it is elsewhere for minorities, especially when a genocide is being enacted on Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank and Israelis use “whataboutism” and Islamophobic and anti-Arab tropes to try to distract from the egregious war crimes they are committing daily.

It is not about "needing" or shoving anything down throats, it is just that people disagree with you and think that what you are saying is incorrect. Just because you are very angry and passionate doesn't mean that you are right. It is possible that you are wrong about things.

If you are not shoving it down our throats, then please let the pro-Palestinian students have the right to protest, please allow Middle Eastern studies departments to teach as they wish, please register AIPAC as a foreign lobby group, and please please please don’t take our U.S. taxpayer money to commit war crimes.

No one has to do any of this just because you say so. What, you think that you can use rherotical traps to back people into doing what you want?

The pro-Israeli side is aiming to have a chokehold grasp on our universities, media and on U.S. politics and then acting like they are doing nothing. I am going to leave this conversation after this since it looks like I am arguing with committed Zionists, which always goes nowhere.

But for the rest of you, be very aware. Our politicians, universities and mainstream media have immense financial and lobby pressure to back Israel. You will not often find the voices of Palestinians, or Arabs, or Muslims in mainstream media. In the coming months, there will be more demonization of these communities as Israel becomes more and more desperate to control the narrative.
Already the Ellison family, who are the largest financial backers of Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces, are buying CBS and Tik Tok and installing pro Israel narratives there. Don’t trust the mainstream media as your only source on the Israel or Middle East issue. There are daily atrocities and war crimes in the West Bank and Gaza, paid for by our tax dollars, that we don’t see in mainstream media. Seek out alternative sources, especially news and stories from Palestinians. Arabs and Muslims for a better perspective. Learn about AIPAC and Israeli lobby influence on US politics. Meet Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims in person. There are so many of them in America and they are the kindest people! Don’t let media or pro-Israeli or right wing fear mongering define what you think of Palestinians, Arabs or Muslims. Let them tell their own stories and listen to them.

Why do we need to let Iran shape our worldview?

Israel very much wants us to go to war with Iran, so definitely be skeptical of anything you hear about Iran in the mainstream media! I agree people should seek different sources and perspectives. There is a deliberate blackout of Arab, Muslim, Palestinian and yes, Iranian perspectives in our mainstream media because there is a political agenda that has to be promoted.

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Israelis are the ones committing pogroms right now and nothing anyone on this board says will change that fact or make it ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israelis are the ones committing pogroms right now and nothing anyone on this board says will change that fact or make it ok.

You saying it and telling others that they are wrong doesn't mean what you say is true.

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Anonymous wrote:What, are you trying to dox or threaten this person by asking them where they are from and where they reside now? It only takes a minute for the pro-Israeli side to decide to become menacing.
This person, wherever they are, has the right to their own narrative. We don’t need the Israeli propaganda narrative shoved down our throats about how good the minorities have it in Israel and how awful it is elsewhere for minorities, especially when a genocide is being enacted on Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank and Israelis use “whataboutism” and Islamophobic and anti-Arab tropes to try to distract from the egregious war crimes they are committing daily.

It is not about "needing" or shoving anything down throats, it is just that people disagree with you and think that what you are saying is incorrect. Just because you are very angry and passionate doesn't mean that you are right. It is possible that you are wrong about things.

If you are not shoving it down our throats, then please let the pro-Palestinian students have the right to protest, please allow Middle Eastern studies departments to teach as they wish, please register AIPAC as a foreign lobby group, and please please please don’t take our U.S. taxpayer money to commit war crimes.

No one has to do any of this just because you say so. What, you think that you can use rherotical traps to back people into doing what you want?

The pro-Israeli side is aiming to have a chokehold grasp on our universities, media and on U.S. politics and then acting like they are doing nothing. I am going to leave this conversation after this since it looks like I am arguing with committed Zionists, which always goes nowhere.

But for the rest of you, be very aware. Our politicians, universities and mainstream media have immense financial and lobby pressure to back Israel. You will not often find the voices of Palestinians, or Arabs, or Muslims in mainstream media. In the coming months, there will be more demonization of these communities as Israel becomes more and more desperate to control the narrative.
Already the Ellison family, who are the largest financial backers of Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces, are buying CBS and Tik Tok and installing pro Israel narratives there. Don’t trust the mainstream media as your only source on the Israel or Middle East issue. There are daily atrocities and war crimes in the West Bank and Gaza, paid for by our tax dollars, that we don’t see in mainstream media. Seek out alternative sources, especially news and stories from Palestinians. Arabs and Muslims for a better perspective. Learn about AIPAC and Israeli lobby influence on US politics. Meet Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims in person. There are so many of them in America and they are the kindest people! Don’t let media or pro-Israeli or right wing fear mongering define what you think of Palestinians, Arabs or Muslims. Let them tell their own stories and listen to them.

Why do we need to let Iran shape our worldview?

Israel very much wants us to go to war with Iran, so definitely be skeptical of anything you hear about Iran in the mainstream media! I agree people should seek different sources and perspectives. There is a deliberate blackout of Arab, Muslim, Palestinian and yes, Iranian perspectives in our mainstream media because there is a political agenda that has to be promoted.

Why do we need to trust Arab, Muslim, and Palestinian, and Iranian sources?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israelis are the ones committing pogroms right now and nothing anyone on this board says will change that fact or make it ok.

You saying it and telling others that they are wrong doesn't mean what you say is true.

An individual opinion that Israel has committed genocide comports with information that would ordinarily be considered authoritative. The consensus among genocide scholars is that Israel has committed genocide. Organizations such as the U.N., Amnesty international, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders have arrived at the same conclusion.

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Islamophobia? People should be scared of an ideology where a large percentage of its adherents and leaders support terrorist attacks against non-combatants. Not compatible with western civilization.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What, are you trying to dox or threaten this person by asking them where they are from and where they reside now? It only takes a minute for the pro-Israeli side to decide to become menacing.
This person, wherever they are, has the right to their own narrative. We don’t need the Israeli propaganda narrative shoved down our throats about how good the minorities have it in Israel and how awful it is elsewhere for minorities, especially when a genocide is being enacted on Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank and Israelis use “whataboutism” and Islamophobic and anti-Arab tropes to try to distract from the egregious war crimes they are committing daily.

It is not about "needing" or shoving anything down throats, it is just that people disagree with you and think that what you are saying is incorrect. Just because you are very angry and passionate doesn't mean that you are right. It is possible that you are wrong about things.

If you are not shoving it down our throats, then please let the pro-Palestinian students have the right to protest, please allow Middle Eastern studies departments to teach as they wish, please register AIPAC as a foreign lobby group, and please please please don’t take our U.S. taxpayer money to commit war crimes.

DAIPAACE is an American organization. It isn’t foreign.

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Anonymous wrote:The BBC has issued guidelines to news staff to the effect they may question the actions of Israel but not the existence of Israel itself, in other words anti-Zionism is considered antisemitism, despite Zionism being the ideological foundation of ethnic cleansing and genocide through mass murder, mass starvation and the most grotesque forms of torture.

Settlements at UCLA, Columbia and Pomona as demanded by the US government, with undoubtedly more to come, indicate that the same applies to the US as well.

Meanwhile, a Zionist mob ran wild at UCLA, attacking a pro-Palestinian encampment, while UCLA police watched and did nothing.

Wait, are you actually suggesting Israel shouldn't exist? Yeah, that's a problem

Not as a theocracy, apartheid state, no. Your defending it is the problem.

A multicultural Palestine with federalism and protected minorities, including Jews? Sounds good to me.

This is hilarious. I’m laughing. There has never been a sustained multicultural Arab country where Jews or Christians for that matter have been protected. We are forced to pay tax and be second class citizens, and then come the pogroms and we are either forced out or fortunate enough to escape.

Arabs and Jews lived together peacefully for centuries, unlike in Europe. You should laugh from embarrassment of your own ignorance.

This is an antizionist myth. Jews lived as second class citizens in Muslim countries for centuries. They were also massacred in pogroms like the Farhud. Antizionists negate Jewish history to make things fit their false narratives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israelis are the ones committing pogroms right now and nothing anyone on this board says will change that fact or make it ok.

You saying it and telling others that they are wrong doesn't mean what you say is true.

An individual opinion that Israel has committed genocide comports with information that would ordinarily be considered authoritative. The consensus among genocide scholars is that Israel has committed genocide. Organizations such as the U.N., Amnesty international, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders have arrived at the same conclusion.

Actually the consensus amongst genocide scholars is that Israel is not committing genocide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israelis are the ones committing pogroms right now and nothing anyone on this board says will change that fact or make it ok.

You saying it and telling others that they are wrong doesn't mean what you say is true.

An individual opinion that Israel has committed genocide comports with information that would ordinarily be considered authoritative. The consensus among genocide scholars is that Israel has committed genocide. Organizations such as the U.N., Amnesty international, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders have arrived at the same conclusion.

Actually the consensus amongst genocide scholars is that Israel is not committing genocide.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o

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It’s a relief that the progressive Arab world recognizes the reality of both history and the current situation on ground.

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The 5C campus is very tense about this issue right now: Israel/Palestine. Lots of selective mutism if you don't want to ruffle feathers.

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Anonymous wrote:The 5C campus is very tense about this issue right now: Israel/Palestine. Lots of selective mutism if you don't want to ruffle feathers.

Not surprising given the absolute sh*tshow last year and at graduation.

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Anonymous wrote:The 5C campus is very tense about this issue right now: Israel/Palestine. Lots of selective mutism if you don't want to ruffle feathers.

Not surprising given the absolute sh*tshow last year and at graduation.

I wouldn’t say graduation was a sh!tshow

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israelis are the ones committing pogroms right now and nothing anyone on this board says will change that fact or make it ok.

You saying it and telling others that they are wrong doesn't mean what you say is true.

An individual opinion that Israel has committed genocide comports with information that would ordinarily be considered authoritative. The consensus among genocide scholars is that Israel has committed genocide. Organizations such as the U.N., Amnesty international, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders have arrived at the same conclusion.

This isn't genocide, this is war.
A war Gaza started and that Gaza can end at any time through unconditional surrender.

When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, they killed 2000 Americans. We proceeded to kill about 2 million Japanese. They offered to surrender with some terms. We didn't want terms so we dropped a nuclear bomb on them and they offered different terms. So we dropped another nuclear bomb on them and then they offered unconditional surrender. Then we had peace.

The Gazans killed 1000 Israelis. The highest claimed death toll is about 200K and you have to get real creative to justify that number, the likely number is closer to 50K. They have not offered to surrender and have never even entertained the notion of unconditional surrender.

This is war, war is hell and they hold the key to their own survival. If they would rather die than surrender, that is a Gaza problem, not an Israel problem.
Israel is under no moral or legal obligation to stop fighting because the other side wants to stop fighting but won't surrender.
Israel has had 80 years of stopping too soon because the international criticism became too great. They have finally realized that their critics are generally feckless and will never be satisfied and their criticism will evaporate with the headlines.

Most of you know little and care even less about what is going on in the middle east but you have strong opinions nonetheless.