Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's totally believable. A clean CR would have avoided a shutdown while allowing for negotiations around Democratic political priorities. Instead, blackmail was employed to try to force those priorities through without further negotiation. It's a form of either extortion, or a negotiating tactic, depending on your perspective, but in either case it's attributable to the Democrats.

Doubtful

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's totally believable. A clean CR would have avoided a shutdown while allowing for negotiations around Democratic political priorities. Instead, blackmail was employed to try to force those priorities through without further negotiation. It's a form of either extortion, or a negotiating tactic, depending on your perspective, but in either case it's attributable to the Democrats.

No. A clean CR would have allowed Republicans to kick the can down the road to the holidays, when it would have been near-impossible for the Democrats to negotiate for fear of shutting the country down during the holidays. Don't pretend otherwise. Congress had all year to do this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup. Proven in black and white - when you scroll down from what @GOP highlighted in yellow it CLEARLY STATES that it does NOT apply to illegal aliens. Republicans are LYING about the reasons for the shutdown. If the Republicans are in the right about all of this then why are they telling PROVEN, UNDISPUTABLE LIES?

The fact remains: illegal aliens currently receive free medical care in the United States, where they cannot be refused treatment at any emergency room at any time.

Illegal aliens receive emergency Medicaid under a law passed in 1986. "Hospitals can get federal Medicaid funding to reimburse them for emergency services they are required to provide to low-income individuals, regardless of immigration status, which includes undocumented people," Mr Cuello told us.

"Emergency Medicaid is very temporary coverage for the medical services provided at all emergency rooms, often just one service on one day, but not necessarily ongoing health insurance enrollment, like a U.S. citizen can pay for, or receives by qualifying for Medicaid," he added.

Does the BBB actually change the law requiring hospitals to stabilize a patient before releasing them in emergency care situations? Or does it just cut the funding for such care?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am curious. Does anybody really believe this? I think the reason being given is because Democrats want to give healthcare to illegal immigrants. Which is so blatantly untrue. what is true? Is that Democrats want to preserve and protect the healthcare for Americans.

Yes. I 100% believe it. The healthcare issue is the crux of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am curious. Does anybody really believe this? I think the reason being given is because Democrats want to give healthcare to illegal immigrants. Which is so blatantly untrue. what is true? Is that Democrats want to preserve and protect the healthcare for Americans.

Yes. I 100% believe it. The healthcare issue is the crux of it.

Congratulations! You have a room temperature IQ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am curious. Does anybody really believe this? I think the reason being given is because Democrats want to give healthcare to illegal immigrants. Which is so blatantly untrue. what is true? Is that Democrats want to preserve and protect the healthcare for Americans.

Yes. I 100% believe it. The healthcare issue is the crux of it.

Just going to leave this here:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-government-shutdown-health-care-immigrant-11b3ec0066407a17b407bc8e43962fd9

Of course you probably think the AP is untrustworthy because they refuse to acknowledge the "Gulf of America"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's totally believable. A clean CR would have avoided a shutdown while allowing for negotiations around Democratic political priorities. Instead, blackmail was employed to try to force those priorities through without further negotiation. It's a form of either extortion, or a negotiating tactic, depending on your perspective, but in either case it's attributable to the Democrats.

No. A clean CR would have allowed Republicans to kick the can down the road to the holidays, when it would have been near-impossible for the Democrats to negotiate for fear of shutting the country down during the holidays. Don't pretend otherwise. Congress had all year to do this.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's totally believable. A clean CR would have avoided a shutdown while allowing for negotiations around Democratic political priorities. Instead, blackmail was employed to try to force those priorities through without further negotiation. It's a form of either extortion, or a negotiating tactic, depending on your perspective, but in either case it's attributable to the Democrats.

No. A clean CR would have allowed Republicans to kick the can down the road to the holidays, when it would have been near-impossible for the Democrats to negotiate for fear of shutting the country down during the holidays. Don't pretend otherwise. Congress had all year to do this.

+1

This meme assumes millionaires and billionaires should be paying for your health care.

They shouldn't.

You want it, YOU pay for it.

Guess what happened after the last Gilded Age? The Great Depression. Trump will cause the next one and will go down in history as the most dangerous and worst President ever. MAGA Amirite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's totally believable. A clean CR would have avoided a shutdown while allowing for negotiations around Democratic political priorities. Instead, blackmail was employed to try to force those priorities through without further negotiation. It's a form of either extortion, or a negotiating tactic, depending on your perspective, but in either case it's attributable to the Democrats.

No. A clean CR would have allowed Republicans to kick the can down the road to the holidays, when it would have been near-impossible for the Democrats to negotiate for fear of shutting the country down during the holidays. Don't pretend otherwise. Congress had all year to do this.

+1

This meme assumes millionaires and billionaires should be paying for your health care.

They shouldn't.

You want it, YOU pay for it.

Oh man, it's not often you spot an unironic lolbertarian in the wild, but here we are!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup. Proven in black and white - when you scroll down from what @GOP highlighted in yellow it CLEARLY STATES that it does NOT apply to illegal aliens. Republicans are LYING about the reasons for the shutdown. If the Republicans are in the right about all of this then why are they telling PROVEN, UNDISPUTABLE LIES?

The fact remains: illegal aliens currently receive free medical care in the United States, where they cannot be refused treatment at any emergency room at any time.

Illegal aliens receive emergency Medicaid under a law passed in 1986. "Hospitals can get federal Medicaid funding to reimburse them for emergency services they are required to provide to low-income individuals, regardless of immigration status, which includes undocumented people," Mr Cuello told us.

"Emergency Medicaid is very temporary coverage for the medical services provided at all emergency rooms, often just one service on one day, but not necessarily ongoing health insurance enrollment, like a U.S. citizen can pay for, or receives by qualifying for Medicaid," he added.

I just want to make it very clear that this Trumper's objection is that undocumented people are not refused treatment in emergency rooms.

I am trying to let that sink in. It sounds like PP is not only against the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act that has been law since Ronald Reagan, but the idea of public hospitals are treating immigrants in emergency rooms as well.

PP would have hospitals refuse the undocumented emergency care. Just when I think people can't go any lower...

[Anonymous]

https://budget.house.gov/press-release/california-to-spend-84-billion-this-year-on-health-care-for-illegal-aliens


California to spend 8.4 Billion on healthcare for illegals!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://budget.house.gov/press-release/california-to-spend-84-billion-this-year-on-health-care-for-illegal-aliens


California to spend 8.4 Billion on healthcare for illegals!!!!

I'm sure you're still working yourself up to a relevant point. Go on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://budget.house.gov/press-release/california-to-spend-84-billion-this-year-on-health-care-for-illegal-aliens


California to spend 8.4 Billion on healthcare for illegals!!!!

Many other states also pay for healthcare for illegal aliens, plus federal “emergency Medicaid” dollars pay for free healthcare for illegal aliens: (From the BBC):

“Can undocumented immigrants get free healthcare in US? . .
"Under longstanding policy, undocumented immigrants are not eligible to enrol in any federally-funded health coverage programs including Medicaid, CHIP, or Medicare, or to purchase coverage through the ACA Marketplaces", Drishti Pillai, KFF's Director of Immigrant Health Policy told us.

However, undocumented immigrants can receive emergency Medicaid, though, under a law passed in 1986. "Hospitals can get federal Medicaid funding to reimburse them for emergency services they are required to provide to low-income individuals, regardless of immigration status, which includes undocumented people," Mr Cuello told us.
"Emergency Medicaid is very temporary coverage for the emergency services, often just one service on one day, not ongoing health insurance enrolment like a US citizen gets," he added.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://budget.house.gov/press-release/california-to-spend-84-billion-this-year-on-health-care-for-illegal-aliens


California to spend 8.4 Billion on healthcare for illegals!!!!

Many other states also pay for healthcare for illegal aliens, plus federal “emergency Medicaid” dollars pay for free healthcare for illegal aliens: (From the BBC):

“Can undocumented immigrants get free healthcare in US? . .
"Under longstanding policy, undocumented immigrants are not eligible to enrol in any federally-funded health coverage programs including Medicaid, CHIP, or Medicare, or to purchase coverage through the ACA Marketplaces", Drishti Pillai, KFF's Director of Immigrant Health Policy told us.

However, undocumented immigrants can receive emergency Medicaid, though, under a law passed in 1986. "Hospitals can get federal Medicaid funding to reimburse them for emergency services they are required to provide to low-income individuals, regardless of immigration status, which includes undocumented people," Mr Cuello told us.
"Emergency Medicaid is very temporary coverage for the emergency services, often just one service on one day, not ongoing health insurance enrolment like a US citizen gets," he added.

I meant to add (also from bbc)


“Illegal migrants may also be eligible for state-funded healthcare.
As of April 2025, there were 14 states plus Washington DC which provided state-funded healthcare coverage to children regardless of their immigration status, according to KFF analysis.
All but two of these states - Vermont and Utah - are run by Democrats.
New Jersey and Vermont also provide state-funded coverage to low-income pregnant women, regardless of immigration status.
Seven states, including California and New York, have also expanded state-funded healthcare coverage to some low-income adults, regardless of immigration status“

[Anonymous]

Link to above

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3vzyl5x15ro