NCAP Tysons

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not gonna lie, if you’re in G2 and you want to move up to G1, then work harder to move up. Show the coaches that you want it and then you get to go to G1. If you are stuck in G2, it’s either due to age or lack of effort.

This is very much and ncap mindset. Throw 35 kids in G2 and train them until there’s no tomorrow. 3 move up and find success. 20 stagnate. 5 get injured. 7 burnout and quit swimming. Call those who don’t make it lazy.

Not every swimmer will make Gold 1 and that is just reality. My swimmer didn’t move up until they had a Futures cut. It is the National Team training level and only a small percentage make that. These kids are on a different track than they rest. That is reality and when you add kids to the group aren’t at that level and can’t make the intervals it hurts everyone. There is nothing wrong with Gold 2 except most parents seems to have the expectation their kids will be an elite swimmer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

I’m not an involved parent but that is some smoke you’re trying to blow up people’s arses. No one will have any idea what the new coach is like until the season actually starts. People pick clubs and sites based in large part on convenience and the G2 parents at MU kind of had the rug pulled out from under them and now have to scramble to figure out if schlepping their kid to Tyson’s works into their family schedule.

This. The current G2 coach at MU is great but it seems like the powers at be at NCAP are only interested in aligning their S1 kids to go directly to Gold1 at MU and could care less about their G2 kids. Who wants to pay top dollar when the message is clearly that your kid doesn’t matter. The S1 kids at NCAP that are moving up to G2 are very close and can easily go elsewhere and still train together and another Club will be happy to have them.

No where is the message your kid doesn’t matter. That is just your projection because you don’t like the decision because they dared inconvenienced you. You still got a great coach. Maybe the message to the Gold 1 swimmers is we care - we are going to create a stronger cohort that benefits both locations and more kids. Sorry in that inconveniences you for a year.

How do you know if my kid got a great coach or not? And even if they do, they already had him, and a strong training group, at a much closer and nicer facility. The only winners in this scenario are the Gold 1 kids.

Because the emails states they will be coached by the same MU coach they have now. Yes, absolutely it is an inconvenience to drive father but your child will have other strong swimmers joining them from TY making an overall stronger group than they have now - ultimately benefiting your swimmer where it matters most (not the facilities). Yes, it benefits Gold 1 but Tyson kids moving to MU will have the same inconvenience you are complaining about. I’m sure they would love to have Chris/John train at TY but understand no matter what location is picked, someone will be inconvenienced.

[Anonymous]

Gold 2 is going to be a disaster. Too many kids. Zero interest in this. The old set up at MU was perfect. Too bad Tysons inability to have enough swimmers for an elite group ruined things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not gonna lie, if you’re in G2 and you want to move up to G1, then work harder to move up. Show the coaches that you want it and then you get to go to G1. If you are stuck in G2, it’s either due to age or lack of effort.

This is very much and ncap mindset. Throw 35 kids in G2 and train them until there’s no tomorrow. 3 move up and find success. 20 stagnate. 5 get injured. 7 burnout and quit swimming. Call those who don’t make it lazy.

Not every swimmer will make Gold 1 and that is just reality. My swimmer didn’t move up until they had a Futures cut. It is the National Team training level and only a small percentage make that. These kids are on a different track than they rest. That is reality and when you add kids to the group aren’t at that level and can’t make the intervals it hurts everyone. There is nothing wrong with Gold 2 except most parents seems to have the expectation their kids will be an elite swimmer.

Not every kid or close to every kid at MU/Tysons that is in Gold 1 has a Futures cut. Some don’t even have a Sectional cut yet but nice try.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

I’m not an involved parent but that is some smoke you’re trying to blow up people’s arses. No one will have any idea what the new coach is like until the season actually starts. People pick clubs and sites based in large part on convenience and the G2 parents at MU kind of had the rug pulled out from under them and now have to scramble to figure out if schlepping their kid to Tyson’s works into their family schedule.

This. The current G2 coach at MU is great but it seems like the powers at be at NCAP are only interested in aligning their S1 kids to go directly to Gold1 at MU and could care less about their G2 kids. Who wants to pay top dollar when the message is clearly that your kid doesn’t matter. The S1 kids at NCAP that are moving up to G2 are very close and can easily go elsewhere and still train together and another Club will be happy to have them.

No where is the message your kid doesn’t matter. That is just your projection because you don’t like the decision because they dared inconvenienced you. You still got a great coach. Maybe the message to the Gold 1 swimmers is we care - we are going to create a stronger cohort that benefits both locations and more kids. Sorry in that inconveniences you for a year.

How do you know if my kid got a great coach or not? And even if they do, they already had him, and a strong training group, at a much closer and nicer facility. The only winners in this scenario are the Gold 1 kids.

Because the emails states they will be coached by the same MU coach they have now. Yes, absolutely it is an inconvenience to drive father but your child will have other strong swimmers joining them from TY making an overall stronger group than they have now - ultimately benefiting your swimmer where it matters most (not the facilities). Yes, it benefits Gold 1 but Tyson kids moving to MU will have the same inconvenience you are complaining about. I’m sure they would love to have Chris/John train at TY but understand no matter what location is picked, someone will be inconvenienced.

Thanks Spencer! My kid already had a strong training group at MU. Why not admit that this decision is all about the fact that you could not form a Gold 1 group at Tysons and needed to fill lane space with the MU kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not gonna lie, if you’re in G2 and you want to move up to G1, then work harder to move up. Show the coaches that you want it and then you get to go to G1. If you are stuck in G2, it’s either due to age or lack of effort.

No truer words could be spoken. Sometimes reality bites.

[Anonymous]

My kid is in G1 at MU. There are kids already in that group that don’t belong there and can’t make the intervals or barely make them.

It isn’t about swim faster. It seems that kids are being placed arbitrarily into one group or another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is in G1 at MU. There are kids already in that group that don’t belong there and can’t make the intervals or barely make them.

It isn’t about swim faster. It seems that kids are being placed arbitrarily into one group or another.

That is a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

I’m not an involved parent but that is some smoke you’re trying to blow up people’s arses. No one will have any idea what the new coach is like until the season actually starts. People pick clubs and sites based in large part on convenience and the G2 parents at MU kind of had the rug pulled out from under them and now have to scramble to figure out if schlepping their kid to Tyson’s works into their family schedule.

This. The current G2 coach at MU is great but it seems like the powers at be at NCAP are only interested in aligning their S1 kids to go directly to Gold1 at MU and could care less about their G2 kids. Who wants to pay top dollar when the message is clearly that your kid doesn’t matter. The S1 kids at NCAP that are moving up to G2 are very close and can easily go elsewhere and still train together and another Club will be happy to have them.

No where is the message your kid doesn’t matter. That is just your projection because you don’t like the decision because they dared inconvenienced you. You still got a great coach. Maybe the message to the Gold 1 swimmers is we care - we are going to create a stronger cohort that benefits both locations and more kids. Sorry in that inconveniences you for a year.

How do you know if my kid got a great coach or not? And even if they do, they already had him, and a strong training group, at a much closer and nicer facility. The only winners in this scenario are the Gold 1 kids.

Because the emails states they will be coached by the same MU coach they have now. Yes, absolutely it is an inconvenience to drive father but your child will have other strong swimmers joining them from TY making an overall stronger group than they have now - ultimately benefiting your swimmer where it matters most (not the facilities). Yes, it benefits Gold 1 but Tyson kids moving to MU will have the same inconvenience you are complaining about. I’m sure they would love to have Chris/John train at TY but understand no matter what location is picked, someone will be inconvenienced.

There are rumblings that the coach may not be actually coaching the group.

[Anonymous]

What I’ve heard, your swimmer must be sectional level to go to G1.
Thus, you must be sectional level to go to G1
But, if you are not in high school you can’t co to G1, even if you have sectional cuts
Thus, You must be in high school and have sectional cuts to go to G1
What if you are a senior and you just got your first sectionals cut? Then you shouldn’t swim in G1 but G2 instead
Thus, you have to be in high school, have sectionals cuts, and want to work hard and be a good age going into the group
But what if you are pretty fast but don’t show up to practice often, you place fairly well at meets but swimming isn’t their main sport or they don’t want to work hard and pursue swimming in college? Then G2 is better for this swimmer
Thus, you have to be in high school, have sectionals cuts, be willing to work hard and choose swimming over other sports and be a good age when you join.

These factors make up what a G1 or joining G1 swimmer should be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

I’m not an involved parent but that is some smoke you’re trying to blow up people’s arses. No one will have any idea what the new coach is like until the season actually starts. People pick clubs and sites based in large part on convenience and the G2 parents at MU kind of had the rug pulled out from under them and now have to scramble to figure out if schlepping their kid to Tyson’s works into their family schedule.

This. The current G2 coach at MU is great but it seems like the powers at be at NCAP are only interested in aligning their S1 kids to go directly to Gold1 at MU and could care less about their G2 kids. Who wants to pay top dollar when the message is clearly that your kid doesn’t matter. The S1 kids at NCAP that are moving up to G2 are very close and can easily go elsewhere and still train together and another Club will be happy to have them.

No where is the message your kid doesn’t matter. That is just your projection because you don’t like the decision because they dared inconvenienced you. You still got a great coach. Maybe the message to the Gold 1 swimmers is we care - we are going to create a stronger cohort that benefits both locations and more kids. Sorry in that inconveniences you for a year.

How do you know if my kid got a great coach or not? And even if they do, they already had him, and a strong training group, at a much closer and nicer facility. The only winners in this scenario are the Gold 1 kids.

Because the emails states they will be coached by the same MU coach they have now. Yes, absolutely it is an inconvenience to drive father but your child will have other strong swimmers joining them from TY making an overall stronger group than they have now - ultimately benefiting your swimmer where it matters most (not the facilities). Yes, it benefits Gold 1 but Tyson kids moving to MU will have the same inconvenience you are complaining about. I’m sure they would love to have Chris/John train at TY but understand no matter what location is picked, someone will be inconvenienced.

There are rumblings that the coach may not be actually coaching the group.

Who will it be? Why is there so little transparency?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve heard, your swimmer must be sectional level to go to G1.
Thus, you must be sectional level to go to G1
But, if you are not in high school you can’t co to G1, even if you have sectional cuts
Thus, You must be in high school and have sectional cuts to go to G1
What if you are a senior and you just got your first sectionals cut? Then you shouldn’t swim in G1 but G2 instead
Thus, you have to be in high school, have sectionals cuts, and want to work hard and be a good age going into the group
But what if you are pretty fast but don’t show up to practice often, you place fairly well at meets but swimming isn’t their main sport or they don’t want to work hard and pursue swimming in college? Then G2 is better for this swimmer
Thus, you have to be in high school, have sectionals cuts, be willing to work hard and choose swimming over other sports and be a good age when you join.

These factors make up what a G1 or joining G1 swimmer should be.

Except for the fact that there are swimmers already in G1 THAT DO NOT HAVE SECTIONAL CUTS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

I have heard that he will be in charge but not actually coaching
I’m not an involved parent but that is some smoke you’re trying to blow up people’s arses. No one will have any idea what the new coach is like until the season actually starts. People pick clubs and sites based in large part on convenience and the G2 parents at MU kind of had the rug pulled out from under them and now have to scramble to figure out if schlepping their kid to Tyson’s works into their family schedule.

This. The current G2 coach at MU is great but it seems like the powers at be at NCAP are only interested in aligning their S1 kids to go directly to Gold1 at MU and could care less about their G2 kids. Who wants to pay top dollar when the message is clearly that your kid doesn’t matter. The S1 kids at NCAP that are moving up to G2 are very close and can easily go elsewhere and still train together and another Club will be happy to have them.

No where is the message your kid doesn’t matter. That is just your projection because you don’t like the decision because they dared inconvenienced you. You still got a great coach. Maybe the message to the Gold 1 swimmers is we care - we are going to create a stronger cohort that benefits both locations and more kids. Sorry in that inconveniences you for a year.

How do you know if my kid got a great coach or not? And even if they do, they already had him, and a strong training group, at a much closer and nicer facility. The only winners in this scenario are the Gold 1 kids.

Because the emails states they will be coached by the same MU coach they have now. Yes, absolutely it is an inconvenience to drive father but your child will have other strong swimmers joining them from TY making an overall stronger group than they have now - ultimately benefiting your swimmer where it matters most (not the facilities). Yes, it benefits Gold 1 but Tyson kids moving to MU will have the same inconvenience you are complaining about. I’m sure they would love to have Chris/John train at TY but understand no matter what location is picked, someone will be inconvenienced.

There are rumblings that the coach may not be actually coaching the group.

Who will it be? Why is there so little transparency?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

I’m not an involved parent but that is some smoke you’re trying to blow up people’s arses. No one will have any idea what the new coach is like until the season actually starts. People pick clubs and sites based in large part on convenience and the G2 parents at MU kind of had the rug pulled out from under them and now have to scramble to figure out if schlepping their kid to Tyson’s works into their family schedule.

This. The current G2 coach at MU is great but it seems like the powers at be at NCAP are only interested in aligning their S1 kids to go directly to Gold1 at MU and could care less about their G2 kids. Who wants to pay top dollar when the message is clearly that your kid doesn’t matter. The S1 kids at NCAP that are moving up to G2 are very close and can easily go elsewhere and still train together and another Club will be happy to have them.

No where is the message your kid doesn’t matter. That is just your projection because you don’t like the decision because they dared inconvenienced you. You still got a great coach. Maybe the message to the Gold 1 swimmers is we care - we are going to create a stronger cohort that benefits both locations and more kids. Sorry in that inconveniences you for a year.

How do you know if my kid got a great coach or not? And even if they do, they already had him, and a strong training group, at a much closer and nicer facility. The only winners in this scenario are the Gold 1 kids.

Because the emails states they will be coached by the same MU coach they have now. Yes, absolutely it is an inconvenience to drive father but your child will have other strong swimmers joining them from TY making an overall stronger group than they have now - ultimately benefiting your swimmer where it matters most (not the facilities). Yes, it benefits Gold 1 but Tyson kids moving to MU will have the same inconvenience you are complaining about. I’m sure they would love to have Chris/John train at TY but understand no matter what location is picked, someone will be inconvenienced.

There are rumblings that the coach may not be actually coaching the group.

Who will it be? Why is there so little transparency?

I heard he is in charge but not actually coaching

[Anonymous]

If swimmers do not have sectionals cuts, they should not be in G1