
Why should basic human rights be subject to any sort of compromise? |
Men have a right to use women's changing rooms? Where is that in the bill of rights? |
Why do you think it's a basic human right for someone who's basically a man but identifies as a woman to compete against women in athletic events? |
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Going down the McBride path is not going to stop the conversation. Avoidance doesn’t work. |
Unpopular opinion but being their authentic selves and enjoying advantages in competition are only part of the appeal. There is also the thrill of attention, the thrill of transgression, and the thrill of access to private women’s spaces. There’s even just the political thrill of upsetting Republicans and forcing Democrats to stand with you. Lots goes on. Complex issues. |
In the bill of rights where is there any mention that the restrooms should be gender separate? |
Absolutely amazing that dcurbanmom Dems are MORE committed to trans athletes than our ACTUAL post-op transgender Congresswoman is!! If we refuse to take any advice from historic Sarah McBride, how are we even allies. She’s begging us to chill out. She believes that a slower pace will help trans folks make MORE progress. Why are we unwilling to consider her advice? |
I'm a trans male and if I walked into a women's restroom right now, your wives would freak and kick me out. They'd call the security guards or the police. I may have a vagina and sit to pee, but I'm 100% passing as a male thanks to years of T and top surgery. When you think of trans people, don't think of men in dresses. Don't think of drag queens. Drag queens are NOT trans. Drag is an art form. Drag is a profession or hobby. It's not a total lifestyle for 99.9% of people. Heck, I know quite a few drag queens who aren't even gay. They just enjoy the art and performance of it all. I know even more drag kings who are not queer. Very few trans people these days who have been on hormones for 6+ months are not passing as their new gender. After a year on hormones, you can't pick us out from cis individuals. The no trans in bathrooms/changing rooms doesn't actually hurt trans people because cis people can't actually tell who is trans if they are not some famous trans influencer or advocate from social media. The anti-trans movement actually hurts cis women who do not look traditionally feminine (short hair, broader shoulders, flat-chested) and cis men who do not look traditionally masculine (slim build, longer hair, delicate facial features). Those are the people who are actually getting harassed in bathrooms, not me. I've been peeing in men's rooms, using the men's locker rooms, and using men's changing rooms for decades now. Never had an issue. Sarah McBride may not be able to use the women's restroom in Congress, but I bet she does everywhere else and guess what? I doubt anyone has ever questioned it or hassled her. |
Her advice isn’t workable. |
Very cool perspective! Thank you! What’s your take on the transwoman athlete question? And on whether or not Democrats should keep standing firm on it or temporarily take Saran McBride’s advice. |
Drag is a product of women’s historical oppression. It is when a member of the privileged group appropriates members of a historically and currently oppressed group for entertainment purposes. You wouldn’t call black face an art form. |
If you think an average person thinks that Sarah is actually female I have a bridge to sell you. |
If a woman alters her appearance to look like a man, then she can no longer use female-only spaces. |
If a man alters his appearance to look like a woman, then he can no longer use male-only spaces. |