What do we do??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is peacefully splitting into two countries an option? The rift seems irreconcilable.

I doubt it. This isn’t North vs. South. Are you thinking Balkanization?

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Anonymous wrote:They key is to never accept that we were beaten in a democratic election. We have to think of this as an illegitimate coup. We can’t plan for the next election. We have to respond DAILY to Trump. WEMOD? what would Michelle Obama do? Trump goes low, she goes high. We need to take up space like she does, resist like she does, sass like she does. And maybe, just maybe, we can save the world.

It would have been much easier in the recent past and will be much easier in the future if Dems can just nominate normal/average POTUS candidates that would prevent someone as awful as Trump from ever gaining the power of the POTUS office. What you are suggesting sounds like going around your arse to get to your elbow.

Normal/average POTUS, you mean white men?

Come on, just look around, I am a lib and the person who mainly brought us into this ginormous s$itshow is a 82 yr old white man who reneged on his promise to be one term president, refused to announce he was not running for a second term and to allow younger, capable candidates of all colors, sexual orientations and genders to face off in a presidential primary. And all this because of his lust for power and delusion that he was the only one capable to win an election, in addition to total lack of self awareness concerning his age related decline.

+1000 if not for the god awful Joe frickin Biden, we wouldn't be enduring this Trump second term nightmare.

NO. If the Rs had impeached Trump when they had the chance, we wouldn’t be here. This is squarely the fault of Republicans.

[Anonymous]

Not sure where else to put this but, i just dont understand why anyone WANTS this, nevermind the majority. Why did people WANT cruelty? Why did they want international and domestic bullying? Why did they want stamping out free speech from students? Why did they want massive cuts to medicare and social security? Why did they WANT a president too stupid to understand daylight savings and that people aren't eating dogs and cats and shooting firemen off ladders? Like i get there are and always have been hard right fringe nutcases that want this kind of thing - but to win an election and then have everyone go along with the absolute most insane sh*t in the history of the country? It doesn't make any sense to me!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm coming to the realization that there really isn't anything we can do that will change anything.

Elections in 2026 and 2028 if they are still fairly held.
And otherwise it has to be civil war.

What if fair elections in 2026, 2028, and 2032 are fairly held and republicans win? At what point is it okay for a moral minority to go to war to protect migrant rights and trans rights and civil servant paycheck rights?!

DP, but my main issue is how things are being done unlawfully.

If the country decides to dismantle federal agencies then it should be done through congressional action. If we’re going to hunt out waste, fraud, and abuse it shouldn’t be done by a billionaire with significant conflicts of interest. And so on.

I don’t think I will ever just accept the trashing of our government to benefit the rich. It’s not just about immigrants and trans rights.

[Anonymous]

Just to be on the safe side, I’m dropping Gillibrand as my favorite Senator and going with Klobuchar from now on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure where else to put this but, i just dont understand why anyone WANTS this, nevermind the majority. Why did people WANT cruelty? Why did they want international and domestic bullying? Why did they want stamping out free speech from students? Why did they want massive cuts to medicare and social security? Why did they WANT a president too stupid to understand daylight savings and that people aren't eating dogs and cats and shooting firemen off ladders? Like i get there are and always have been hard right fringe nutcases that want this kind of thing - but to win an election and then have everyone go along with the absolute most insane sh*t in the history of the country? It doesn't make any sense to me!

100% thank you for putting this in words. I’ve been wondering this too. I’m wondering if lots of people are on drugs or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure where else to put this but, i just dont understand why anyone WANTS this, nevermind the majority. Why did people WANT cruelty? Why did they want international and domestic bullying? Why did they want stamping out free speech from students? Why did they want massive cuts to medicare and social security? Why did they WANT a president too stupid to understand daylight savings and that people aren't eating dogs and cats and shooting firemen off ladders? Like i get there are and always have been hard right fringe nutcases that want this kind of thing - but to win an election and then have everyone go along with the absolute most insane sh*t in the history of the country? It doesn't make any sense to me!

I guess all that is a reflection of where the country is. It’s a shame to see all that good work over the last 250 years being thrown away, but what can you do.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure where else to put this but, i just dont understand why anyone WANTS this, nevermind the majority. Why did people WANT cruelty? Why did they want international and domestic bullying? Why did they want stamping out free speech from students? Why did they want massive cuts to medicare and social security? Why did they WANT a president too stupid to understand daylight savings and that people aren't eating dogs and cats and shooting firemen off ladders? Like i get there are and always have been hard right fringe nutcases that want this kind of thing - but to win an election and then have everyone go along with the absolute most insane sh*t in the history of the country? It doesn't make any sense to me!

I think it’s that regular Americans are not that fond if Democrats anymore after Covid and after a decade of Dems calling voters stupid nazis. And Americans were never that fond of civil service bureaucrats, although that seems to be a big surprise to people in DC.

[Anonymous]

If Trump is so bad, why not just run election campaigns on a “Trump is bad” platform?

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Anonymous wrote:They key is to never accept that we were beaten in a democratic election. We have to think of this as an illegitimate coup. We can’t plan for the next election. We have to respond DAILY to Trump. WEMOD? what would Michelle Obama do? Trump goes low, she goes high. We need to take up space like she does, resist like she does, sass like she does. And maybe, just maybe, we can save the world.

It would have been much easier in the recent past and will be much easier in the future if Dems can just nominate normal/average POTUS candidates that would prevent someone as awful as Trump from ever gaining the power of the POTUS office. What you are suggesting sounds like going around your arse to get to your elbow.

Normal/average POTUS, you mean white men?

Come on, just look around, I am a lib and the person who mainly brought us into this ginormous s$itshow is a 82 yr old white man who reneged on his promise to be one term president, refused to announce he was not running for a second term and to allow younger, capable candidates of all colors, sexual orientations and genders to face off in a presidential primary. And all this because of his lust for power and delusion that he was the only one capable to win an election, in addition to total lack of self awareness concerning his age related decline.

+1000 if not for the god awful Joe frickin Biden, we wouldn't be enduring this Trump second term nightmare.

NO. If the Rs had impeached Trump when they had the chance, we wouldn’t be here. This is squarely the fault of Republicans.

Rs didn't nominate Biden in 2020. We did. Acknowledged mistakes are less often repeated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm coming to the realization that there really isn't anything we can do that will change anything.

Elections in 2026 and 2028 if they are still fairly held.
And otherwise it has to be civil war.

What if fair elections in 2026, 2028, and 2032 are fairly held and republicans win? At what point is it okay for a moral minority to go to war to protect migrant rights and trans rights and civil servant paycheck rights?!

DP, but my main issue is how things are being done unlawfully.

If the country decides to dismantle federal agencies then it should be done through congressional action. If we’re going to hunt out waste, fraud, and abuse it shouldn’t be done by a billionaire with significant conflicts of interest. And so on.

I don’t think I will ever just accept the trashing of our government to benefit the rich. It’s not just about immigrants and trans rights.

The flyover state taxpayer perspective is different.

1) Not “just” about illegal immigtants and trans rights? Taxpayer-funded government shouldn’t be about those thing AT ALL. Do it in your free time with your own money

2) Neither party has done audits or cost cuts or layoffs in 30 years. All are overdue. Complaining about the “process” sounds to taxpayers like a cover for wanting all spending to continue forever

3) Everything Democrats did during Covid funneled money to billionaires. Millions of small businesses for forced into bankruptcy, not by the virus but by the blue state responses. A lot if gov spending under Dems goes to enrich the rich. That’s one thing the Republicans are auditing. All of this already happened. It’s not true that all the cost cutting savings are just going to be funnelled toElon Musk, although Dems talk like their partisan prediction for the future is established fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Trump is so bad, why not just run election campaigns on a “Trump is bad” platform?

Because people who like Trump just make excuses for him. They. Don’t. Care.

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump is so bad, why not just run election campaigns on a “Trump is bad” platform?

Because people who like Trump just make excuses for him. They. Don’t. Care.

It’s not enough that he’s bad. WE have to be GOOD. And that means popular policies. No illegal immigration, no “gender affirming care,” no more funneling taxpayer money to “charities” run by Democratic Party activists. We have to clean up our act if we hope to tuen people’s hate for Trump into love for us.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm coming to the realization that there really isn't anything we can do that will change anything.

Elections in 2026 and 2028 if they are still fairly held.
And otherwise it has to be civil war.

What if fair elections in 2026, 2028, and 2032 are fairly held and republicans win? At what point is it okay for a moral minority to go to war to protect migrant rights and trans rights and civil servant paycheck rights?!

DP, but my main issue is how things are being done unlawfully.

If the country decides to dismantle federal agencies then it should be done through congressional action. If we’re going to hunt out waste, fraud, and abuse it shouldn’t be done by a billionaire with significant conflicts of interest. And so on.

I don’t think I will ever just accept the trashing of our government to benefit the rich. It’s not just about immigrants and trans rights.

The flyover state taxpayer perspective is different.

1) Not “just” about illegal immigtants and trans rights? Taxpayer-funded government shouldn’t be about those thing AT ALL. Do it in your free time with your own money

2) Neither party has done audits or cost cuts or layoffs in 30 years. All are overdue. Complaining about the “process” sounds to taxpayers like a cover for wanting all spending to continue forever

3) Everything Democrats did during Covid funneled money to billionaires. Millions of small businesses for forced into bankruptcy, not by the virus but by the blue state responses. A lot if gov spending under Dems goes to enrich the rich. That’s one thing the Republicans are auditing. All of this already happened. It’s not true that all the cost cutting savings are just going to be funnelled toElon Musk, although Dems talk like their partisan prediction for the future is established fact.

1) Dems didn’t run on a pro trans platform, only the republicans bought it up as propaganda. Also Trump killed a bipartisan border bill. He doesn’t want to solve anything, he wants to stoke fear so he can remain in power. And if you’re ok with the government being haphazardly destroyed and the constitution trashed to get your way, then you’re an anti-American piece of trash.

2) Audits are overdue. But making up lies about 150 year olds receiving SS benefits and using the audit as a guise to award the *person doing the audit* contracts without competing is the definition of corruption.

3) I don’t disagree there is corruption in the dem party and things have only gotten worse since Citizens United. My family was personally harmed by the COVID response. I’m certainly not a dem apologist and would have considered voting for a more moderate conservative.

But being upset about the pandemic response doesn’t justify antagonizing our allies, aligning with Putin, firing feds for fake “performance issues,” crashing the economy, threatening to not listen to the judicial branch, making jokes about being a king and saying we won’t have to vote again, etc.

And no one thinks the “savings” (of which there is very little) is being funneled to Musk. But he is using DOGE as a means to award his companies tons of money.

Literally the rest of the world (aside from Russia) can see how absurd this administration is. We are becoming an international warning story.

[Anonymous]

There are more measles case in Texas right now than there are trans athletes in all of the United States.

You can make sure all your vaccines are up to date, and see if you need a measles booster.

You can stop shopping and spending money at places that are anti DEI or owned by oligarchs / Republicans.

You can boycott Tesla and Starlink and get rid of any Alexa devices you have.