If we defeat Trump, can we get the normal Republican party back please? Which Republicans have stood up to him?

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

It will take 25 years for the GOP to even begin to recover.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

It will take 25 years for the GOP to even begin to recover.

Yet they are getting 50% of the vote right now, similar to the democratic party. The parties of 25 years from now will not resemble the parties of 25 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:If we vote in Harris, this could be a great way for the GOP to rise from the ashes and remake itself in a non-MAGA non-dog whistle, no-xenophobic way. Trump is the opposite of a role mode for our kids and families and acts like a spoiled bully. Let's embarrass the bully and bring class back to the GOP!

Electing Harris won’t bring class back to the GOP. It will still be rife with people who can be bought; people who are assets of foreign governments; people who will support a corrupt, incompetent, seditious dotard if that’s politically expedient; people who are white Christian Nationalists. Trump is a symptom of what’s wrong with the Republican Party, not the cause.

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The Republicans sold out to the Christian Nationalists in the 1980s.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

A healthy and strong GOP Party will lead to a more healthy and stronger Dem Party and we all would benefit if our two major parties were functioning like they were back when our choices for POTUS were people like GHWB and Clinton and Congress was able to put their partisan squabbles aside long enough to function adequately . As it is, there is no equating the two major parties during the Trump era but the Dem Party establishment has shot themselves in the foot over and over by trying to manipulate things to where they are assured of nominating a candidate that the base and donors approve of so not to rock the boat while at the same time being just good enough to beat Trump. Just good enough to beat the most awful candidate in American history is not good enough.

For the GOP it's much simpler. They went from a solid history of nominating decent and well qualified people 95% of the country could respect even if they disagreed with policy to nominating Trump for three consecutive elections. How do you go from Reagan, the Bushs, Dole, McCain, and Romney to three consecutive nominations of Trump? It's not the same party it used to be but it's still feasible for the sensible majority in the party to return back to party of Lincoln, Teddy R, Eisenhower, and Reagan after Trump is dead or incapacitated.

The congress was functioning fine until Newt started the process of total obstinance and government shutdowns rather than compromise.

Again, don't blame the democrats for this. The Dems have never supported government shutdowns.

That's because they are the party of government and government workers unions support Democrats.

And Republicans are the party of chaos?
(And the party of Civil Forfeiture, setting up bandit posts on highways to rob travelers.)

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

A healthy and strong GOP Party will lead to a more healthy and stronger Dem Party and we all would benefit if our two major parties were functioning like they were back when our choices for POTUS were people like GHWB and Clinton and Congress was able to put their partisan squabbles aside long enough to function adequately . As it is, there is no equating the two major parties during the Trump era but the Dem Party establishment has shot themselves in the foot over and over by trying to manipulate things to where they are assured of nominating a candidate that the base and donors approve of so not to rock the boat while at the same time being just good enough to beat Trump. Just good enough to beat the most awful candidate in American history is not good enough.

For the GOP it's much simpler. They went from a solid history of nominating decent and well qualified people 95% of the country could respect even if they disagreed with policy to nominating Trump for three consecutive elections. How do you go from Reagan, the Bushs, Dole, McCain, and Romney to three consecutive nominations of Trump? It's not the same party it used to be but it's still feasible for the sensible majority in the party to return back to party of Lincoln, Teddy R, Eisenhower, and Reagan after Trump is dead or incapacitated.

The congress was functioning fine until Newt started the process of total obstinance and government shutdowns rather than compromise.

Again, don't blame the democrats for this. The Dems have never supported government shutdowns.

Not equating the two "sides" but your fooling yourself if you think it's one party that is responsible for all the political games that lead to a poorly functioning government. Newt's cut throat political style was a game changer and that movement along with social media and cable news exploding led to division in politics like we've never seen before.

What did the democrats do to change rules that lead us to where we are (and don't ascribe changing the filibuster that Reid did because McConnnell refused to allow Obama appointments through to the point the Chief Justice had to beg the Senate to change to rules before the judicial branch collapsed)

Not equating two sides here. There is fair blame to be cast at who started certain things first. This doesn't change the fact that our two parties have used their power to evolve into entities that are now too big to fail as rules have been put into place to make a 3rd party emergence nearly impossible. This gives the flexibility to play political games that only serve to benefit them during election cycles and not to serve in manner that is helpful to the American people.

Case in point- the Biden Administration along with Congress could have and should have pushed the border bill proposes last year much sooner. They chose to wait until election season knowing that it was unlikely the GOP would allow it to pass and therefore they could use that as a campaign tool to offset doing nothing to improve the situation at the border for the first two years of Biden's presidency and they can fairly say accuse the GOP of not passing a bill that would have been helpful. That's a political game that does nothing to help our country but it does it help Dems in re-election bids. There is no recourse for such political games because they have no fear of the American people saying we've had enough and ditching them for a 3rd party.

Republicans pushed the Citizens United decision allowing money to become a much bigger influence in politics. Blame them for that. This being said; both parties have played the money game and it's both parties who are now forced to prioritize the interest of their big money donors as opposed to the prioritizing the interest of all Americans. Again, very little we can now do to change that. It is what it is.

So you cite the GOP authored border bill as should have been pushed sooner as a means of both-siding. the only reason that bill didnt pass is Trump.

So in other words, there is nothing you can cite that shows the democrats changing the rules or otherwise altering "norms" since 1992 to cause us to be where we are now.

DP. No new bill is needed. Enforce the border laws already in place. They've been in place since the mid 1990s. Worked fine as long as you enforce the laws and don't ignore them because you want more democrat voters.

Why should we have new legislation? So you can ignore that also when you run the executive branch?

What's the point of having ANY laws if you will just selectively enforce the ones you like?

The border bill WAS funding a policy package to "enforce the laws already in place.

Why didn't Trump "build the wall" if it's so easy to "enforce the laws already in place"?

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

Exactly! We nominated poor Mitt Romney and he was savaged by the Dems. Republican moderates and conservatives face the same treatment from the Democrats.

How was he savaged? He caught heat for saying young people should borrow $10k from their parents and take a chance by starting a business, as though that’s a viable option for many people. We were horrified that he put his dog on the roof of the station wagon on a family vacation. We laughed at “binders full of women.”

He said to borrow $60K+ in modern dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

I'd be happy if we got the "normal" Republican party back - way back - like before Rush Limbaugh back.

I voted Republican a lot over the years, but after Trump they have lost me for life.

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It’s bush’s fault

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Yep… I remember the days when dems called Bush “Hitler”. Then they called McCain “Hitler”. Then they called Romney “Hitler”. Now they call Trump “Hitler”.


Nothing ever changes.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

A healthy and strong GOP Party will lead to a more healthy and stronger Dem Party and we all would benefit if our two major parties were functioning like they were back when our choices for POTUS were people like GHWB and Clinton and Congress was able to put their partisan squabbles aside long enough to function adequately . As it is, there is no equating the two major parties during the Trump era but the Dem Party establishment has shot themselves in the foot over and over by trying to manipulate things to where they are assured of nominating a candidate that the base and donors approve of so not to rock the boat while at the same time being just good enough to beat Trump. Just good enough to beat the most awful candidate in American history is not good enough.

For the GOP it's much simpler. They went from a solid history of nominating decent and well qualified people 95% of the country could respect even if they disagreed with policy to nominating Trump for three consecutive elections. How do you go from Reagan, the Bushs, Dole, McCain, and Romney to three consecutive nominations of Trump? It's not the same party it used to be but it's still feasible for the sensible majority in the party to return back to party of Lincoln, Teddy R, Eisenhower, and Reagan after Trump is dead or incapacitated.

The congress was functioning fine until Newt started the process of total obstinance and government shutdowns rather than compromise.

Again, don't blame the democrats for this. The Dems have never supported government shutdowns.

Not equating the two "sides" but your fooling yourself if you think it's one party that is responsible for all the political games that lead to a poorly functioning government. Newt's cut throat political style was a game changer and that movement along with social media and cable news exploding led to division in politics like we've never seen before.

What did the democrats do to change rules that lead us to where we are (and don't ascribe changing the filibuster that Reid did because McConnnell refused to allow Obama appointments through to the point the Chief Justice had to beg the Senate to change to rules before the judicial branch collapsed)

Not equating two sides here. There is fair blame to be cast at who started certain things first. This doesn't change the fact that our two parties have used their power to evolve into entities that are now too big to fail as rules have been put into place to make a 3rd party emergence nearly impossible. This gives the flexibility to play political games that only serve to benefit them during election cycles and not to serve in manner that is helpful to the American people.

Case in point- the Biden Administration along with Congress could have and should have pushed the border bill proposes last year much sooner. They chose to wait until election season knowing that it was unlikely the GOP would allow it to pass and therefore they could use that as a campaign tool to offset doing nothing to improve the situation at the border for the first two years of Biden's presidency and they can fairly say accuse the GOP of not passing a bill that would have been helpful. That's a political game that does nothing to help our country but it does it help Dems in re-election bids. There is no recourse for such political games because they have no fear of the American people saying we've had enough and ditching them for a 3rd party.

Republicans pushed the Citizens United decision allowing money to become a much bigger influence in politics. Blame them for that. This being said; both parties have played the money game and it's both parties who are now forced to prioritize the interest of their big money donors as opposed to the prioritizing the interest of all Americans. Again, very little we can now do to change that. It is what it is.

So you cite the GOP authored border bill as should have been pushed sooner as a means of both-siding. the only reason that bill didnt pass is Trump.

So in other words, there is nothing you can cite that shows the democrats changing the rules or otherwise altering "norms" since 1992 to cause us to be where we are now.

DP. No new bill is needed. Enforce the border laws already in place. They've been in place since the mid 1990s. Worked fine as long as you enforce the laws and don't ignore them because you want more democrat voters.

Why should we have new legislation? So you can ignore that also when you run the executive branch?

What's the point of having ANY laws if you will just selectively enforce the ones you like?

The border bill WAS funding a policy package to "enforce the laws already in place.

Why didn't Trump "build the wall" if it's so easy to "enforce the laws already in place"?

Why did Biden leave the border wide open for THREE AND A HALF YEARS, before finally demanding a “border bill” from the democrat controlled Senate?

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

A healthy and strong GOP Party will lead to a more healthy and stronger Dem Party and we all would benefit if our two major parties were functioning like they were back when our choices for POTUS were people like GHWB and Clinton and Congress was able to put their partisan squabbles aside long enough to function adequately . As it is, there is no equating the two major parties during the Trump era but the Dem Party establishment has shot themselves in the foot over and over by trying to manipulate things to where they are assured of nominating a candidate that the base and donors approve of so not to rock the boat while at the same time being just good enough to beat Trump. Just good enough to beat the most awful candidate in American history is not good enough.

For the GOP it's much simpler. They went from a solid history of nominating decent and well qualified people 95% of the country could respect even if they disagreed with policy to nominating Trump for three consecutive elections. How do you go from Reagan, the Bushs, Dole, McCain, and Romney to three consecutive nominations of Trump? It's not the same party it used to be but it's still feasible for the sensible majority in the party to return back to party of Lincoln, Teddy R, Eisenhower, and Reagan after Trump is dead or incapacitated.

The congress was functioning fine until Newt started the process of total obstinance and government shutdowns rather than compromise.

Again, don't blame the democrats for this. The Dems have never supported government shutdowns.

Not equating the two "sides" but your fooling yourself if you think it's one party that is responsible for all the political games that lead to a poorly functioning government. Newt's cut throat political style was a game changer and that movement along with social media and cable news exploding led to division in politics like we've never seen before.

What did the democrats do to change rules that lead us to where we are (and don't ascribe changing the filibuster that Reid did because McConnnell refused to allow Obama appointments through to the point the Chief Justice had to beg the Senate to change to rules before the judicial branch collapsed)

Not equating two sides here. There is fair blame to be cast at who started certain things first. This doesn't change the fact that our two parties have used their power to evolve into entities that are now too big to fail as rules have been put into place to make a 3rd party emergence nearly impossible. This gives the flexibility to play political games that only serve to benefit them during election cycles and not to serve in manner that is helpful to the American people.

Case in point- the Biden Administration along with Congress could have and should have pushed the border bill proposes last year much sooner. They chose to wait until election season knowing that it was unlikely the GOP would allow it to pass and therefore they could use that as a campaign tool to offset doing nothing to improve the situation at the border for the first two years of Biden's presidency and they can fairly say accuse the GOP of not passing a bill that would have been helpful. That's a political game that does nothing to help our country but it does it help Dems in re-election bids. There is no recourse for such political games because they have no fear of the American people saying we've had enough and ditching them for a 3rd party.

Republicans pushed the Citizens United decision allowing money to become a much bigger influence in politics. Blame them for that. This being said; both parties have played the money game and it's both parties who are now forced to prioritize the interest of their big money donors as opposed to the prioritizing the interest of all Americans. Again, very little we can now do to change that. It is what it is.

So you cite the GOP authored border bill as should have been pushed sooner as a means of both-siding. the only reason that bill didnt pass is Trump.

So in other words, there is nothing you can cite that shows the democrats changing the rules or otherwise altering "norms" since 1992 to cause us to be where we are now.

DP. No new bill is needed. Enforce the border laws already in place. They've been in place since the mid 1990s. Worked fine as long as you enforce the laws and don't ignore them because you want more democrat voters.

Why should we have new legislation? So you can ignore that also when you run the executive branch?

What's the point of having ANY laws if you will just selectively enforce the ones you like?

The border bill WAS funding a policy package to "enforce the laws already in place.

Why didn't Trump "build the wall" if it's so easy to "enforce the laws already in place"?

The wall was being built! It was Biden who stopped it, but then later backtracked and began building again.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

It will take 25 years for the GOP to even begin to recover.

Yet they are getting 50% of the vote right now, similar to the democratic party. The parties of 25 years from now will not resemble the parties of 25 years ago.

To recover the MAGA die hards in red to die off and their diets of fried foods and obesity, Mountain Dew, smoking, will eventually take its toll, it will still take a generation and a half.

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Please God let this happen. I'm so ready to have a more normal, rational Republican party back! Trump has hijacked and contaminated our party and ruined it. It will take some years for a new leadership to emerge. But if someone endorsed Trump, they've lost all credibility in my opinion and can't lead the new party.

How can you justify endorsing a convicted felon who makes demeaning comments about women, mocks entire groups of americans including the disabled, and tries to use the presidency as a branding exercise to create profits for his family's sagging businesses? He's a grifter, con man, and an incohent senile one at that.

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What is Hogan's future, if he loses to Alsobrooks? Hogan and Haley are the best hopes for a reasonable and electable GOP