SFFA doesn't like the Asian American %

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

Universities accept the students they want. They want a diverse class (diverse in all ways). Not everyone will get into an Ivy League. Move on. I have never understood the sense of entitlement the families involved in the lawsuit have. It’s absurd.

Objecting to racial discrimination is not a sense of entitlement.

Private bus companies get to decide who sits where on the bus. They want to separate the whites from the blacks. Not everyone will always get a seat, move on. Imagine the sense of entitlement it takes to demand that you get to sit anywhere on the bus. It's absurd.

There is zero proof that an admissions spot for an Asian student went to an URM. I reject there is discrimination at play in rejections. Tons of great kids get rejected.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

Universities accept the students they want. They want a diverse class (diverse in all ways). Not everyone will get into an Ivy League. Move on. I have never understood the sense of entitlement the families involved in the lawsuit have. It’s absurd.

Objecting to racial discrimination is not a sense of entitlement.

Private bus companies get to decide who sits where on the bus. They want to separate the whites from the blacks. Not everyone will always get a seat, move on. Imagine the sense of entitlement it takes to demand that you get to sit anywhere on the bus. It's absurd.

Ah yes, a public service like a bus and…Harvard. Very similar.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn’t about acceptance, just enrollment. Maybe fewer Asians want to attend those schools.

Just 3 of the top 15 colleges and 2 Ivies.

Yeah.....right.

Based on all the statistical models and the self confessed amicus briefs by many of these colleges, we expected to see a 50% drop in URM and a significant increase in asian admissions.
Yale specifically signed onto a brief saying that the end of racial preferences would be devastating to their URM population and there was no possible way to maintain their diversity without race conscious admissions.
So were they lying then or are they lying now?

There are enough academically brilliant URMs to get accepted to Yale an other elite colleges.

Almost all of these colleges and universities said they would not be able to maintain diversity without racial preferences.
It is doubtful that the average black students at the top 25 national universities and SLACs meet the 25th percentile of SAT scores at those schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

I don't for the life of me understand why there is so much complaining about US colleges, when people freely admit there are colleges all over the place where they will be admitted based on straightforward stats.

Have your kid go to one of those colleges. What's the problem?

I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about the lack of universal health care when it is so readily available elsewhere in the world. Just move there, what's the problem?
I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about gun control when there are zero guns in other countries in the world. Just move there, what's the problem?
I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about a lack of abortions in Texas when they are readily available in California. Just move there, what's the problem?

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Anonymous wrote:The stats don’t include all the students who decided not to answer the race question, right?

How can SSFA be mad when we know that the statistic is not accurate?

This is called a lawsuit. They will have to go through discovery to figure things out.

Are you really OK with a situation where so many kids of a particular race feels like they have to hide their identity?

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The reality is that white people, and really people of all races, mostly dont want to go to schools that are dominated by asians. This is why Asian universities, despite the fact that they are some of the best/most competitive in the world, are mostly no names. For whatever reason, people of all kinds flock to historically white institutions and all desperately want to be included. The same desire to be surrounded by asians does not exist in the reverse for white people, and there are so many examples of this phenomenon: https://psmag.com/news/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

I don't for the life of me understand why there is so much complaining about US colleges, when people freely admit there are colleges all over the place where they will be admitted based on straightforward stats.

Have your kid go to one of those colleges. What's the problem?

I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about the lack of universal health care when it is so readily available elsewhere in the world. Just move there, what's the problem? - YES, BUT IS IT AVAILABLE TO NON-RESIDENTS LIKE COLLEGE? IF IT IS, YES GO MOVE THERE.
I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about gun control when there are zero guns in other countries in the world. Just move there, what's the problem? - YES, CORRECT...MOVE TO CANADA IF GUN CONTROL DICTATES YOUR LIFE. ONCE MORE, COLLEGE IS FOR 4 YEARS, NOT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about a lack of abortions in Texas when they are readily available in California. Just move there, what's the problem?

- HOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN EASTERN OREGON THAT WANT TO SECEDE FROM OREGON AND BECOME PART OF IDAHO BECAUSE THEY THINK OREGON IS TOO LIBERAL. GUESS WHAT, THEY CAN MOVE TO IDAHO WHICH ANYONE IS FREE TO DO...AND THEY SHOULD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

Some states do that with public schools, although you probably wouldn't like that because it's usually the top percentage of graduates from a given high school are automatically admitted which means poor kids from bad schools benefit. The schools SFFA is still complaining about are private.

All schools that accept federal funds are subject to the 14th amendment. Bob Jones university lost their federal funding and non-profit status because they were racially discriminating. now they don't.

If harvard wants to abandon their non=profit status and all federal funding in order to keep being racist, they only have to ask.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This isn’t about acceptance, just enrollment. Maybe fewer Asians want to attend those schools.

Just 3 of the top 15 colleges and 2 Ivies.

Yeah.....right.

Based on all the statistical models and the self confessed amicus briefs by many of these colleges, we expected to see a 50% drop in URM and a significant increase in asian admissions.
Yale specifically signed onto a brief saying that the end of racial preferences would be devastating to their URM population and there was no possible way to maintain their diversity without race conscious admissions.
So were they lying then or are they lying now?

There are enough academically brilliant URMs to get accepted to Yale an other elite colleges.

This. It’s sad how many dcumers don’t seem to understand this.

Because it's not really true.
https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

I don't for the life of me understand why there is so much complaining about US colleges, when people freely admit there are colleges all over the place where they will be admitted based on straightforward stats.

Have your kid go to one of those colleges. What's the problem?

I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about the lack of universal health care when it is so readily available elsewhere in the world. Just move there, what's the problem?
I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about gun control when there are zero guns in other countries in the world. Just move there, what's the problem?
I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about a lack of abortions in Texas when they are readily available in California. Just move there, what's the problem?

Universal health care sucks and some nations, and our education system is too expensive to begin paying doctors pennies. Everything else, sure I’ll give you it.

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The idea that college is equal to your healthcare is absurd. The stakes are not that high. There are plenty of great universities that are not Ivy League. The person that keeps equating Ivy League colleges to a life or death situation like the U.S. healthcare industry is mentally ill or a troll. Like no one is that serious about Ivy admittance. I call fake! I have been around some self-identified tiger moms and even they would not take this extreme of a stance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

I don't for the life of me understand why there is so much complaining about US colleges, when people freely admit there are colleges all over the place where they will be admitted based on straightforward stats.

Have your kid go to one of those colleges. What's the problem?

I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about the lack of universal health care when it is so readily available elsewhere in the world. Just move there, what's the problem?
I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about gun control when there are zero guns in other countries in the world. Just move there, what's the problem?
I don't for the life of me understand why people complain about a lack of abortions in Texas when they are readily available in California. Just move there, what's the problem?

The third point really makes no sense. In fact, people in Texas concerned about abortion rights and LGBTQ rights are doing exactly what you say...they are moving to states that respect those rights. Folks in California who believe California is too liberal, are moving to Texas and Idaho and other red states.

Idaho has a self-inflicted wound with their draconian abortion laws. OBs are moving out of the state and rural maternity wards are closing. They are moving and Idaho now needs to figure out what they plan to do.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?
Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

There 1000% is. In England a point of contention has been the lack of diversity at Oxford and Cambridge and they’ve changed from absolute standards because of so

Yes, because certain groups perform better academically than others. So, because some groups don't focus as much on academics, universities are having to lower their threshold to achieve diversity. And before you say, "academics isn't everything".. foreign universities see academics as really the only measure of how well a student will do in college. Even studies in the US have shown that SAT scores are a good indicator of how well a student will perform in college, and top colleges are starting to go back to test required because of it.

Perhaps other groups should ask why that is and act accordingly?

Performance in university is not the measuring stick that a school uses for it's students. These schools exist to create leaders. When yet another Prime Minister comes out of Oxbridge or a President from the ivies, do you think the schools lament that they're a failure because they didn't do better while in school?

And those leaders from Oxbridge are often just wealthy and complete dolts.

Not quite. The Brits have the same problem we have here - too many "leaders" who are "intellectual but idiot" - usually because they are prisoners of the insane ideology that Oxbridge, like the Ivies, selects for.

No one who still has their grey matter locked into their skull casket looks at Boris Johnson and thinks “that’s a public (or private) intellectual.” Going to eton allows you to walk into Oxbridge.

Yet when Oxford lists all of the prime ministers who have attended, he'll be included

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

#NotAllAsians

I never supported end to affirmative action. ~ Signed, Asian

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

If they believed in fair standards for all, they would’ve fought to remove legacy admissions as well.