SFFA doesn't like the Asian American %

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Anonymous wrote:Any athlete working out 32 hours a week in HS. Will have less time for SAT prep

What is the point here? In the real world, the one that your kids will enter AFTER college, that hard working college athlete (who in this specific case is ALSO a strong academic performer) will likely have the resilience, life skills, leadership skills, teamwork skills and interpersonal skills that will run rings around any 1600 SAT scorer. These athletes become the leaders in the corporate world, and hire the 1600ers. So don’t knock these kids or underestimate what they’re capable of.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Well….what’s the conspiracy theory now?

Well, considering the last conspiracy theory turned out to be true, maybe this one has some merit as well.

I think the theory is that schools are still trying to achieve racial diversity by targetting proxies for race.
Something that was specifically prohibited by the supreme court ruling.

It is sad that in 2024, racial diversity in college- of all places- has become weaponized, demonized and stigmatized.

What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

Said by every progressive white person who lives in a gated community.

You didn’t answer the question. The evasion…

Rebuttal by every white person regardless of where they live.

Your deflection says it all. You still haven’t answered the question. Let me ask you again, What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Well….what’s the conspiracy theory now?

Well, considering the last conspiracy theory turned out to be true, maybe this one has some merit as well.

I think the theory is that schools are still trying to achieve racial diversity by targetting proxies for race.
Something that was specifically prohibited by the supreme court ruling.

It is sad that in 2024, racial diversity in college- of all places- has become weaponized, demonized and stigmatized.

What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

Said by every progressive white person who lives in a gated community.

You didn’t answer the question. The evasion…

Rebuttal by every white person regardless of where they live.

Your deflection says it all. You still haven’t answered the question. Let me ask you again, What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

I have no problem with racial diversity. Racial diversity is just that, however: nowhere in its definition does it say anyone from a particular race. Top universities have standards or else maybe the lowest bar is the one that everyone should use and there should just be a lottery. But, why does that sound dumb as a general policy? BTW, we live in a ~50% minority neighborhood which is adjacent to a 60~75% one. We deliberately chose a majority URM school for elementary and I volunteered every week for math/science lessons, field trips, and OOTM. I know firsthand directly from teachers' mouths how it feels for them to be sh!t on by admin that don't have their backs and parents of kids who complain about everything except their kids' poor grades. We tried to get a robotics team and an Olympiad team going but we got pushback from the white PTA (yes, at a URM school) and the white admin (again, at a URM school). School was run like a plantation with whites (PTA exec board and admin) at the top and lots of POC doing yard (recess monitoring), cafeteria, extended day, and custodial work. The school was borderline failing SOL but everyone seemed to love giving each other pats on the back because they got to be SJWs. Please tell me how white people care except to keep POC off of their manicured lawns in their segregated redlined neighborhoods while controlling the purse strings by throwing a nickel here, a dime there, basically offering scraps for POC groups to quibble over. Whites have enforced 75 years of de facto academic segregation while failing to fix the failing American education system.

You can't suddenly feel bad and reward kids for underperforming in your system. Fix the system, educate the URM kids, and let them compete fairly in 10 years. Don't blame and punish Asians for playing your game according to your rules and dominating. And remember, Asian is not a race nor a monolithic group but the most diverse continent in the world. So we're talking about many different cultures who have suffered through different degrees of white imperialism (rape, plunder, colonialism) and narcotrafficking. These whites are the gatekeepers who suddenly get to feel bad and use things words such as "holistic," which equates to "not too many from that Asian race." If you want to admit underperforming URM to assuage your guilt, then take it from the white student tranche. Don't you find it strange that in whichever system you guys choose, the white portion seems to remain relatively the same?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any athlete working out 32 hours a week in HS. Will have less time for SAT prep

What is the point here? In the real world, the one that your kids will enter AFTER college, that hard working college athlete (who in this specific case is ALSO a strong academic performer) will likely have the resilience, life skills, leadership skills, teamwork skills and interpersonal skills that will run rings around any 1600 SAT scorer. These athletes become the leaders in the corporate world, and hire the 1600ers. So don’t knock these kids or underestimate what they’re capable of.

You mean the white backup athletes? The front-of-line ones who always seem to get coaching and tv broadcast jobs? Don't seem to see many of those other skin colors in corporate or network America. Try another example for this thread or start a new one.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Well….what’s the conspiracy theory now?

Well, considering the last conspiracy theory turned out to be true, maybe this one has some merit as well.

I think the theory is that schools are still trying to achieve racial diversity by targetting proxies for race.
Something that was specifically prohibited by the supreme court ruling.

It is sad that in 2024, racial diversity in college- of all places- has become weaponized, demonized and stigmatized.

What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

Said by every progressive white person who lives in a gated community.

You didn’t answer the question. The evasion…

Rebuttal by every white person regardless of where they live.

Your deflection says it all. You still haven’t answered the question. Let me ask you again, What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

I have no problem with racial diversity. Racial diversity is just that, however: nowhere in its definition does it say anyone from a particular race. Top universities have standards or else maybe the lowest bar is the one that everyone should use and there should just be a lottery. But, why does that sound dumb as a general policy? BTW, we live in a ~50% minority neighborhood which is adjacent to a 60~75% one. We deliberately chose a majority URM school for elementary and I volunteered every week for math/science lessons, field trips, and OOTM. I know firsthand directly from teachers' mouths how it feels for them to be sh!t on by admin that don't have their backs and parents of kids who complain about everything except their kids' poor grades. We tried to get a robotics team and an Olympiad team going but we got pushback from the white PTA (yes, at a URM school) and the white admin (again, at a URM school). School was run like a plantation with whites (PTA exec board and admin) at the top and lots of POC doing yard (recess monitoring), cafeteria, extended day, and custodial work. The school was borderline failing SOL but everyone seemed to love giving each other pats on the back because they got to be SJWs. Please tell me how white people care except to keep POC off of their manicured lawns in their segregated redlined neighborhoods while controlling the purse strings by throwing a nickel here, a dime there, basically offering scraps for POC groups to quibble over. Whites have enforced 75 years of de facto academic segregation while failing to fix the failing American education system.

You can't suddenly feel bad and reward kids for underperforming in your system. Fix the system, educate the URM kids, and let them compete fairly in 10 years. Don't blame and punish Asians for playing your game according to your rules and dominating. And remember, Asian is not a race nor a monolithic group but the most diverse continent in the world. So we're talking about many different cultures who have suffered through different degrees of white imperialism (rape, plunder, colonialism) and narcotrafficking. These whites are the gatekeepers who suddenly get to feel bad and use things words such as "holistic," which equates to "not too many from that Asian race." If you want to admit underperforming URM to assuage your guilt, then take it from the white student tranche. Don't you find it strange that in whichever system you guys choose, the white portion seems to remain relatively the same?

Why go after affirmative action when your issue is with white people? You also argue Asians aren’t monolithic while presenting whites as monolithic.

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

Geez.

1440 is still a great score.

I'm increasingly coming to the view that younger people are bringing some hate.

Having to go back 40 years to make a point about SAT scores in today's college admissions landscape is cringeworthy.

40 years ago?

This is definitely a teen.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Well….what’s the conspiracy theory now?

Well, considering the last conspiracy theory turned out to be true, maybe this one has some merit as well.

I think the theory is that schools are still trying to achieve racial diversity by targetting proxies for race.
Something that was specifically prohibited by the supreme court ruling.

It is sad that in 2024, racial diversity in college- of all places- has become weaponized, demonized and stigmatized.

What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

There's no problem with racial diversity.
However, there's huge problem with racial discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

So the dumbing down of the sat scores intentionally makes the test less useful at the top end.

Right now the majority of 1550+ SAT scores are asian despite asians being a small minority of the population.
There are as many asians with 1500+ as there are whites with 1500+ despite a large disparity in population
About 25% of asians get a 1400+

If they had the long tails like they did before the gaps would be even more noticable because white people think it's cruelty to make their kids study "too hard"

If the first sentence is accurate, it's kind of dumb for posters ( at least one predominant one) to fuss over 1540 vs 1550, etc. , no? You're probably right: most AOs think the test is "less useful" at the top end. Once you hit 1500 (for UMC kids) or 1400 ( in context) there's not much more to evaluate test score wise.

It means you're obviously not as smart if you can't score as high as other people on a dumbed down test. Only some people can dunk on a 10' rim. If we lower it to 8' and you still can't dunk, find another sport.

If the test is "dumbed down" why such focus on it?

Because they're the best measure we have.

The best measure of what exactly?

Academic potential for academic institutions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any athlete working out 32 hours a week in HS. Will have less time for SAT prep

What is the point here? In the real world, the one that your kids will enter AFTER college, that hard working college athlete (who in this specific case is ALSO a strong academic performer) will likely have the resilience, life skills, leadership skills, teamwork skills and interpersonal skills that will run rings around any 1600 SAT scorer. These athletes become the leaders in the corporate world, and hire the 1600ers. So don’t knock these kids or underestimate what they’re capable of.

Skills that universities also value.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Well….what’s the conspiracy theory now?

Well, considering the last conspiracy theory turned out to be true, maybe this one has some merit as well.

I think the theory is that schools are still trying to achieve racial diversity by targetting proxies for race.
Something that was specifically prohibited by the supreme court ruling.

It is sad that in 2024, racial diversity in college- of all places- has become weaponized, demonized and stigmatized.

What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

Said by every progressive white person who lives in a gated community.

You didn’t answer the question. The evasion…

Rebuttal by every white person regardless of where they live.

Your deflection says it all. You still haven’t answered the question. Let me ask you again, What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

I have no problem with racial diversity. Racial diversity is just that, however: nowhere in its definition does it say anyone from a particular race. Top universities have standards or else maybe the lowest bar is the one that everyone should use and there should just be a lottery. But, why does that sound dumb as a general policy? BTW, we live in a ~50% minority neighborhood which is adjacent to a 60~75% one. We deliberately chose a majority URM school for elementary and I volunteered every week for math/science lessons, field trips, and OOTM. I know firsthand directly from teachers' mouths how it feels for them to be sh!t on by admin that don't have their backs and parents of kids who complain about everything except their kids' poor grades. We tried to get a robotics team and an Olympiad team going but we got pushback from the white PTA (yes, at a URM school) and the white admin (again, at a URM school). School was run like a plantation with whites (PTA exec board and admin) at the top and lots of POC doing yard (recess monitoring), cafeteria, extended day, and custodial work. The school was borderline failing SOL but everyone seemed to love giving each other pats on the back because they got to be SJWs. Please tell me how white people care except to keep POC off of their manicured lawns in their segregated redlined neighborhoods while controlling the purse strings by throwing a nickel here, a dime there, basically offering scraps for POC groups to quibble over. Whites have enforced 75 years of de facto academic segregation while failing to fix the failing American education system.

You can't suddenly feel bad and reward kids for underperforming in your system. Fix the system, educate the URM kids, and let them compete fairly in 10 years. Don't blame and punish Asians for playing your game according to your rules and dominating. And remember, Asian is not a race nor a monolithic group but the most diverse continent in the world. So we're talking about many different cultures who have suffered through different degrees of white imperialism (rape, plunder, colonialism) and narcotrafficking. These whites are the gatekeepers who suddenly get to feel bad and use things words such as "holistic," which equates to "not too many from that Asian race." If you want to admit underperforming URM to assuage your guilt, then take it from the white student tranche. Don't you find it strange that in whichever system you guys choose, the white portion seems to remain relatively the same?

Why go after affirmative action when your issue is with white people? You also argue Asians aren’t monolithic while presenting whites as monolithic.

+1

PP is a hypocritical racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any athlete working out 32 hours a week in HS. Will have less time for SAT prep

What is the point here? In the real world, the one that your kids will enter AFTER college, that hard working college athlete (who in this specific case is ALSO a strong academic performer) will likely have the resilience, life skills, leadership skills, teamwork skills and interpersonal skills that will run rings around any 1600 SAT scorer. These athletes become the leaders in the corporate world, and hire the 1600ers. So don’t knock these kids or underestimate what they’re capable of.

It turned out that Asian kids with high SAT/GPA also scored higher in leadership, interpersonal skills(interview score), etc. all that stuff on the average.

You can have both.