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Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15298861003794538#:~:text=Abstract,and%20Asian%20Americans%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8155821/#:~:text=For%20both%20male%20and%20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

The first sentence of the self esteem abstract: Large-scale representative surveys of 8th-, 10th-, and 12th-grade students in the United States show high self-esteem scores for all groups.
Asians are at the bottom but they're not low.

And I am not seeing much of a difference between black asiana and hispanic suicide rates. Asians seem a little bit lower but not by much. Native american kids and white kids seem to have noticably higher rates.

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Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15298861003794538#:~:text=Abstract,and%20Asian%20Americans%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8155821/#:~:text=For%20both%20male%20and%20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

If your kid used sports to get into school then bravo, they must be really good and congrats that they're doing great. However, that's a different category of candidate than the academic route that the 1550+ SAT score debate is about. Most people don't have the means to spin that roulette wheel on their kid in the higher likelihood that the alternative path to college doesn't pan out. For these kids they're SOL if they get injured and don't have a trust fund. Which is why college admissions shouldn't be a shell game to let less qualified people (sports or arts are obviously a separate qualification group) in but should be based on
measurable statistics that can be compared, i.e., standardized scores.

The colleges decide who's qualified. Not you. That's the part you don't like because you as the parent are no longer in control of your kid's academic journey.

And standardized test scores are not a major data point under holistic admissions. Check the CDS for each school. If it doesn't state that test scores are " very important " then they are not.

Note the use of the word "should." If you don't understand what it means perhaps someone can refresh you. You are like the ignorant people that get spoonfed illogical nonsense on cable news and then spout off without comprehending what you're saying. We get it, you're white and those doors keep getting narrower for people like your kids to enter so you have to try to divide the other skin colors to prop it open. No wonder you don't want to use intelligence as a measure for college admittance. If you really cared, you'd be telling your local school boards and state legislatures to actually take the parental right out of choosing not to educate kids and put all kids in an environment where they are forced to learn and achieve, or they're transferred to trade schools where they can learn how to make really good money instead of wasting time not learning at school. No more making excuses for failed white progressive educational policies while minimizing 12 years of K-12 studying that some kids have done.

Triggered?

Provide a coherent reply.

I think he's saying that white kids have been educationally coddled into stupidity and now white parents want stupidity to be an acceptable trait in selective college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

So the dumbing down of the sat scores intentionally makes the test less useful at the top end.

Right now the majority of 1550+ SAT scores are asian despite asians being a small minority of the population.
There are as many asians with 1500+ as there are whites with 1500+ despite a large disparity in population
About 25% of asians get a 1400+

If they had the long tails like they did before the gaps would be even more noticable because white people think it's cruelty to make their kids study "too hard"

If the first sentence is accurate, it's kind of dumb for posters ( at least one predominant one) to fuss over 1540 vs 1550, etc. , no? You're probably right: most AOs think the test is "less useful" at the top end. Once you hit 1500 (for UMC kids) or 1400 ( in context) there's not much more to evaluate test score wise.

It means you're obviously not as smart if you can't score as high as other people on a dumbed down test. Only some people can dunk on a 10' rim. If we lower it to 8' and you still can't dunk, find another sport.

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Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15298861003794538#:~:text=Abstract,and%20Asian%20Americans%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8155821/#:~:text=For%20both%20male%20and%20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

Barely concealed disdain and bigotry on display here. I truly hope your child did not learn the wrong lessons from their parent.

His kid worked hard, and a lot of this language sounds like it might be directed at her. It's not.
I think that it takes as much if not more effort to be a national level athlete.
I don't mind hard work=admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

So the dumbing down of the sat scores intentionally makes the test less useful at the top end.

Right now the majority of 1550+ SAT scores are asian despite asians being a small minority of the population.
There are as many asians with 1500+ as there are whites with 1500+ despite a large disparity in population
About 25% of asians get a 1400+

If they had the long tails like they did before the gaps would be even more noticable because white people think it's cruelty to make their kids study "too hard"

If the first sentence is accurate, it's kind of dumb for posters ( at least one predominant one) to fuss over 1540 vs 1550, etc. , no? You're probably right: most AOs think the test is "less useful" at the top end. Once you hit 1500 (for UMC kids) or 1400 ( in context) there's not much more to evaluate test score wise.

There is still a difference between a 1550 and a 1560 but there is finer parsing that used to be done beyond the 1600 level. The tails are fat, not irrelevant
Noone thinks 1400 is just as good at a 1550

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

So the dumbing down of the sat scores intentionally makes the test less useful at the top end.

Right now the majority of 1550+ SAT scores are asian despite asians being a small minority of the population.
There are as many asians with 1500+ as there are whites with 1500+ despite a large disparity in population
About 25% of asians get a 1400+

If they had the long tails like they did before the gaps would be even more noticable because white people think it's cruelty to make their kids study "too hard"

If the first sentence is accurate, it's kind of dumb for posters ( at least one predominant one) to fuss over 1540 vs 1550, etc. , no? You're probably right: most AOs think the test is "less useful" at the top end. Once you hit 1500 (for UMC kids) or 1400 ( in context) there's not much more to evaluate test score wise.

It means you're obviously not as smart if you can't score as high as other people on a dumbed down test. Only some people can dunk on a 10' rim. If we lower it to 8' and you still can't dunk, find another sport.

If the test is "dumbed down" why such focus on it?

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Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15298861003794538#:~:text=Abstract,and%20Asian%20Americans%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8155821/#:~:text=For%20both%20male%20and%20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

Barely concealed disdain and bigotry on display here. I truly hope your child did not learn the wrong lessons from their parent.

His kid worked hard, and a lot of this language sounds like it might be directed at her. It's not.
I think that it takes as much if not more effort to be a national level athlete.
I don't mind hard work=admissions.

ETA: I understand why he might be a bit pissed off.

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

So the dumbing down of the sat scores intentionally makes the test less useful at the top end.

Right now the majority of 1550+ SAT scores are asian despite asians being a small minority of the population.
There are as many asians with 1500+ as there are whites with 1500+ despite a large disparity in population
About 25% of asians get a 1400+

If they had the long tails like they did before the gaps would be even more noticable because white people think it's cruelty to make their kids study "too hard"

If the first sentence is accurate, it's kind of dumb for posters ( at least one predominant one) to fuss over 1540 vs 1550, etc. , no? You're probably right: most AOs think the test is "less useful" at the top end. Once you hit 1500 (for UMC kids) or 1400 ( in context) there's not much more to evaluate test score wise.

It means you're obviously not as smart if you can't score as high as other people on a dumbed down test. Only some people can dunk on a 10' rim. If we lower it to 8' and you still can't dunk, find another sport.

If the test is "dumbed down" why such focus on it?

Because they're the best measure we have.

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Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15298861003794538#:~:text=Abstract,and%20Asian%20Americans%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8155821/#:~:text=For%20both%20male%20and%20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

Barely concealed disdain and bigotry on display here. I truly hope your child did not learn the wrong lessons from their parent.

His kid worked hard, and a lot of this language sounds like it might be directed at her. It's not.
I think that it takes as much if not more effort to be a national level athlete.
I don't mind hard work=admissions.

They argue against an assertion that affluent urms be held to the same academic standards as white and Asian kids by illustrating how their kid worked obsessively at their sport, so far so good. Then they dive straight into Asian tropes of the tiger mom, musical instruments, suicidal risk, and low self esteem. Here I was thinking tropes and stereotypes were pillars of systemic racism that still plagues American society today.

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Any athlete working out 32 hours a week in HS. Will have less time for SAT prep

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Well….what’s the conspiracy theory now?

Well, considering the last conspiracy theory turned out to be true, maybe this one has some merit as well.

I think the theory is that schools are still trying to achieve racial diversity by targetting proxies for race.
Something that was specifically prohibited by the supreme court ruling.

It is sad that in 2024, racial diversity in college- of all places- has become weaponized, demonized and stigmatized.

What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Well….what’s the conspiracy theory now?

Well, considering the last conspiracy theory turned out to be true, maybe this one has some merit as well.

I think the theory is that schools are still trying to achieve racial diversity by targetting proxies for race.
Something that was specifically prohibited by the supreme court ruling.

It is sad that in 2024, racial diversity in college- of all places- has become weaponized, demonized and stigmatized.

What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

Said by every progressive white person who lives in a gated community.

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

So the dumbing down of the sat scores intentionally makes the test less useful at the top end.

Right now the majority of 1550+ SAT scores are asian despite asians being a small minority of the population.
There are as many asians with 1500+ as there are whites with 1500+ despite a large disparity in population
About 25% of asians get a 1400+

If they had the long tails like they did before the gaps would be even more noticable because white people think it's cruelty to make their kids study "too hard"

If the first sentence is accurate, it's kind of dumb for posters ( at least one predominant one) to fuss over 1540 vs 1550, etc. , no? You're probably right: most AOs think the test is "less useful" at the top end. Once you hit 1500 (for UMC kids) or 1400 ( in context) there's not much more to evaluate test score wise.

It means you're obviously not as smart if you can't score as high as other people on a dumbed down test. Only some people can dunk on a 10' rim. If we lower it to 8' and you still can't dunk, find another sport.

If the test is "dumbed down" why such focus on it?

Because they're the best measure we have.

The best measure of what exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Well….what’s the conspiracy theory now?

Well, considering the last conspiracy theory turned out to be true, maybe this one has some merit as well.

I think the theory is that schools are still trying to achieve racial diversity by targetting proxies for race.
Something that was specifically prohibited by the supreme court ruling.

It is sad that in 2024, racial diversity in college- of all places- has become weaponized, demonized and stigmatized.

What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

Said by every progressive white person who lives in a gated community.

You didn’t answer the question. The evasion…

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Well….what’s the conspiracy theory now?

Well, considering the last conspiracy theory turned out to be true, maybe this one has some merit as well.

I think the theory is that schools are still trying to achieve racial diversity by targetting proxies for race.
Something that was specifically prohibited by the supreme court ruling.

It is sad that in 2024, racial diversity in college- of all places- has become weaponized, demonized and stigmatized.

What is your problem with racial diversity anywhere, and particularly in higher ed?

Said by every progressive white person who lives in a gated community.

You didn’t answer the question. The evasion…

Rebuttal by every white person regardless of where they live.