SFFA doesn't like the Asian American %

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Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1...ns%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC...20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1...ns%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC...20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

If your kid used sports to get into school then bravo, they must be really good and congrats that they're doing great. However, that's a different category of candidate than the academic route that the 1550+ SAT score debate is about. Most people don't have the means to spin that roulette wheel on their kid in the higher likelihood that the alternative path to college doesn't pan out. For these kids they're SOL if they get injured and don't have a trust fund. Which is why college admissions shouldn't be a shell game to let less qualified people (sports or arts are obviously a separate qualification group) in but should be based on
measurable statistics that can be compared, i.e., standardized scores.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1...ns%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC...20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

If your kid used sports to get into school then bravo, they must be really good and congrats that they're doing great. However, that's a different category of candidate than the academic route that the 1550+ SAT score debate is about. Most people don't have the means to spin that roulette wheel on their kid in the higher likelihood that the alternative path to college doesn't pan out. For these kids they're SOL if they get injured and don't have a trust fund. Which is why college admissions shouldn't be a shell game to let less qualified people (sports or arts are obviously a separate qualification group) in but should be based on
measurable statistics that can be compared, i.e., standardized scores.

The colleges decide who's qualified. Not you. That's the part you don't like because you as the parent are no longer in control of your kid's academic journey.

And standardized test scores are not a major data point under holistic admissions. Check the CDS for each school. If it doesn't state that test scores are " very important " then they are not.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1...ns%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC...20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

If your kid used sports to get into school then bravo, they must be really good and congrats that they're doing great. However, that's a different category of candidate than the academic route that the 1550+ SAT score debate is about. Most people don't have the means to spin that roulette wheel on their kid in the higher likelihood that the alternative path to college doesn't pan out. For these kids they're SOL if they get injured and don't have a trust fund. Which is why college admissions shouldn't be a shell game to let less qualified people (sports or arts are obviously a separate qualification group) in but should be based on
measurable statistics that can be compared, i.e., standardized scores.

The colleges decide who's qualified. Not you. That's the part you don't like because you as the parent are no longer in control of your kid's academic journey.

And standardized test scores are not a major data point under holistic admissions. Check the CDS for each school. If it doesn't state that test scores are " very important " then they are not.

Note the use of the word "should." If you don't understand what it means perhaps someone can refresh you. You are like the ignorant people that get spoonfed illogical nonsense on cable news and then spout off without comprehending what you're saying. We get it, you're white and those doors keep getting narrower for people like your kids to enter so you have to try to divide the other skin colors to prop it open. No wonder you don't want to use intelligence as a measure for college admittance. If you really cared, you'd be telling your local school boards and state legislatures to actually take the parental right out of choosing not to educate kids and put all kids in an environment where they are forced to learn and achieve, or they're transferred to trade schools where they can learn how to make really good money instead of wasting time not learning at school. No more making excuses for failed white progressive educational policies while minimizing 12 years of K-12 studying that some kids have done.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1...ns%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC...20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

If your kid used sports to get into school then bravo, they must be really good and congrats that they're doing great. However, that's a different category of candidate than the academic route that the 1550+ SAT score debate is about. Most people don't have the means to spin that roulette wheel on their kid in the higher likelihood that the alternative path to college doesn't pan out. For these kids they're SOL if they get injured and don't have a trust fund. Which is why college admissions shouldn't be a shell game to let less qualified people (sports or arts are obviously a separate qualification group) in but should be based on
measurable statistics that can be compared, i.e., standardized scores.

The colleges decide who's qualified. Not you. That's the part you don't like because you as the parent are no longer in control of your kid's academic journey.

And standardized test scores are not a major data point under holistic admissions. Check the CDS for each school. If it doesn't state that test scores are " very important " then they are not.

Note the use of the word "should." If you don't understand what it means perhaps someone can refresh you. You are like the ignorant people that get spoonfed illogical nonsense on cable news and then spout off without comprehending what you're saying. We get it, you're white and those doors keep getting narrower for people like your kids to enter so you have to try to divide the other skin colors to prop it open. No wonder you don't want to use intelligence as a measure for college admittance. If you really cared, you'd be telling your local school boards and state legislatures to actually take the parental right out of choosing not to educate kids and put all kids in an environment where they are forced to learn and achieve, or they're transferred to trade schools where they can learn how to make really good money instead of wasting time not learning at school. No more making excuses for failed white progressive educational policies while minimizing 12 years of K-12 studying that some kids have done.

Triggered?

Provide a coherent reply.

[Anonymous]

Ability to swim 100m is measureable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1...ns%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC...20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

Barely concealed disdain and bigotry on display here. I truly hope your child did not learn the wrong lessons from their parent.

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

So the dumbing down of the sat scores intentionally makes the test less useful at the top end.

Right now the majority of 1550+ SAT scores are asian despite asians being a small minority of the population.
There are as many asians with 1500+ as there are whites with 1500+ despite a large disparity in population
About 25% of asians get a 1400+

If they had the long tails like they did before the gaps would be even more noticable because white people think it's cruelty to make their kids study "too hard"

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Anonymous wrote:But they're not making factual findings. They are an appellate court. How many times do we need to explain that?

By the time cases reach them, there are no disputes over what the evidence is or isn't. Only what the law says as applied to the evidence.

Yes and based on those facts the court determined that harvard was engaging in illegal racial discrimination and reiterated that racial discrimination is not permissible.

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Anonymous wrote:Your use of the word "evidences" evidences a complete lack of understanding about the law and appellate litigation.

This is because english is a second or even third language.
English grammar rules usually sticks an s at the end of plural nouns but then we have words like fish and evidence. Evidence is especially confusing because it ends in a vowel.
They are effectively arguing with you in a foreign language.

You, on the other hand probably couldn't order water in their language.

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

Geez.

1440 is still a great score.

I'm increasingly coming to the view that younger people are bringing some hate.

This is the way we've taught them (or allowed them to be taught)

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

So the dumbing down of the sat scores intentionally makes the test less useful at the top end.

Right now the majority of 1550+ SAT scores are asian despite asians being a small minority of the population.
There are as many asians with 1500+ as there are whites with 1500+ despite a large disparity in population
About 25% of asians get a 1400+

If they had the long tails like they did before the gaps would be even more noticable because white people think it's cruelty to make their kids study "too hard"

If the first sentence is accurate, it's kind of dumb for posters ( at least one predominant one) to fuss over 1540 vs 1550, etc. , no? You're probably right: most AOs think the test is "less useful" at the top end. Once you hit 1500 (for UMC kids) or 1400 ( in context) there's not much more to evaluate test score wise.

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Anonymous wrote:The ruling is very clear. Some people play dumb and pretend don't understand it. Maybe they are actually stupid.

The Court said:

“The Harvard and UNC admissions programs cannot be reconciled with the guarantees of the Equal Protection Clause. Both programs lack sufficiently focused and measurable objectives warranting the use of race, unavoidably employ race in a negative manner, involve racial stereotyping, and lack meaningful end points. We have never permitted admissions programs to work in that way, and we will not do so today.”

SCOTUSblog disagrees with you on what was the actual holding/ruling, and what was merely dicta.
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/s...-of-harvard-college/

SCOTUS ruled what Harvard did violated US Constitution, 14th amendment. You seem to live in a parallel universe.

There's also the chance that they don't know what the 14th amendment says.

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Anonymous wrote:However in 2024 if you don't think that a significant portion of the kids scoring over 1500 on the SAT are being heavily prepped by very well-resourced parents and schools that seek to maximize standardized test scores of students than you are naive.

1500 is a very good score in 2024, but it's really not that impressive. It basically equates to a 1440 from when most of us took the test 30 to 40 years ago.

In 2024 a 1500 is a good score. 🙂

And 1440 was a GOOD score 40 years ago.

So what?

You must be old.

Geez.

1440 is still a great score.

I'm increasingly coming to the view that younger people are bringing some hate.

Having to go back 40 years to make a point about SAT scores in today's college admissions landscape is cringeworthy.

You don't have to go back 40 years. It happened at every time they modified the SAT.
I hear they even got rid of analogies.

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Anonymous wrote:You do understand though that income and zip code are often correlated with race?

Often, but not always. The majority of FARMs students at the NY magnet program Stuyvessant are Asian American.

But, pro-affirmative action folks will tell you that those poor Asian American kids (who are typically first gen college) should still take a backseat to the even lower performing URM kids because "diversity".

It's more complicated than that.

If I were an Admissions Officer at a Top 20 school, I would take that kid from Ballou or Eastern with the 1350 any day of the week over the 1580 from Sidwell or TJ.

No one talks about any of this. It's not just race or income. It is culture. That poor first generation Asian American - whether Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian - comes from a culture that values education. That kid coming out of Eastern - 91 percent poor black - is facing some serious headwinds 24/7 every day of the week for 18 years. No one is interning at Goldman Sachs from that neighborhood.

Any good, smart student from those circumstances - zero support in life - is extraordinary.

But in reality, URM from Anacostia or Eastern or Ballou don't go to Top 20 schools. It's the well to do at GDS and similar that have been taking advantage of those circumstances. And I think most would agree that it was unfair and it was time to end those advantages and priviliges for another color of rich.

The URM representation at top 20 universities from Sidwell and GDS over the past five years is ridiculous. The URM representation from DC publics at top 20 schools - besides a few from Jackson Reed - is non-existent.

Indeed, there is no reason why a URM from an affluent family should not be held to the same academic standards as white/Asian kids. They have had the same academic opportunities as any UMC Asian/white kid.

I live in a diverse umc neighborhood. Asian, Hispanic, Black, White ... all go to the same HS, join the same clubs. As a matter of fact, most of the black parents around me are lawyers. We are not; we have just lowly bachelors degrees from no name state U. Yet, because of the color of my kid's skin, they are held to a higher standard for college admissions.

I don't agree. I am black and I have one child at a major Ivy, we are 1 percenters, educated and so on. The things that white and Asian families might do with their children for academic advancement is not commonly seen in black communities. My child got into that Ivy with division 1 status which was attained after working on the sport for 12 hours a week at age 12, and more each week up to 28-32+ hours a week by junior year. This child was self motivated, obsessed with the sport, delighted with each win or improvement, and is still active.
I have noticed that local youth orchestra seems to be full of Asian kids, but I am not sure how much they enjoy themselves because I rarely see university or higher orchestras dominated by Asians in the same way. One Asian mother basically told me that she was pushing her daughter to play the violin because it was "the only way" Does she care about what the kid enjoys?
Could my child have scored a 1550 if they studied and prepped more? Unlikely, because at the end of the day, I simply don't care enough, no apology. We were fine with low 700s,... you're done taking the silly test. DC is in STEM (at the Ivy) and at the top of their class. Only a few white kids and an "African" young man ahead of DC. I will keep my physically fit, 1440 kid, with lower suicide risk and self esteem intact, thank you. PS, DC just told me how much they will never forget the atmosphere at their childhood sporting events!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1...ns%20score%20lowest. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC...20female,individuals)%2C%20Asian%20or%20Pacific%20Islander

The privilege and disdain displayed here. And proud of it to.