SFFA doesn't like the Asian American %

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

The folks who are against universal healthcare say the same thing as you.
The folks who are against any form of gun control say the same thing as you.
The folks who think we should tax corporations at reasonable rates say the same thing as you.

You should not be defending racial discrimination because "this is america" It's actually quite unamerican

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

The folks who are against universal healthcare say the same thing as you.
The folks who are against any form of gun control say the same thing as you.
The folks who think we should tax corporations at reasonable rates say the same thing as you.

You should not be defending racial discrimination because "this is america" It's actually quite unamerican

I meant to say: the folks who think we should reduce taxes generally and on corporations in particular say the same thing as you.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

If you think they’re fighting for anyone besides their personal child, I have got a lovely bridge you should buy.

If you think anyone is fighting for anyone besides their personal child or their personal vanity, I have a lovely bridge you should buy.

I disagree. There are plenty of folks who support URM admissions into universities, who aren’t URMs.

Those people are mostly trying to alleviate white guilt (mostly at the expense of asian kids)

The asians that do this are sellouts that are throwing asian kids under the bus to suck up to liberal white people

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

Yeah, go back to where you came from and eat each other's pets there. Amirite?

What an absolute misread of that posters comment. No one is chaining your child to go to college in America. They’d be more worldly competing with the brightest in Britain and Germany if that’s what they desire.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?
Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

There 1000% is. In England a point of contention has been the lack of diversity at Oxford and Cambridge and they’ve changed from absolute standards because of so

Yes, because certain groups perform better academically than others. So, because some groups don't focus as much on academics, universities are having to lower their threshold to achieve diversity. And before you say, "academics isn't everything".. foreign universities see academics as really the only measure of how well a student will do in college. Even studies in the US have shown that SAT scores are a good indicator of how well a student will perform in college, and top colleges are starting to go back to test required because of it.

Perhaps other groups should ask why that is and act accordingly?

Kind of right. You need absolute understanding of your subject, which is very different from the US. So if your high school isn’t good and doesn’t offer that subject, it’s not just that you are a “poor student,” you could be extremely intelligent but get glossed over Oxbridge for your lack of academic offerings in those subjects. Class rules the day in England.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

You seem to be saying that immigrants should not have the same protections against racial discrimination as the rest of us?

I don't think you see this sort of complaint in those countries because those countries don't have racial discrimination in college admissions like we do. These countries literally use a single test or series of tests as the sole criteria for admissions.

If the UK started to limit the population of Indians at Oxbridge to prevent it from getting too brown, I suspect they people would object.

Your kids don't get to stand ahead of smarter immigrant kids just because you were born here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?
Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

There 1000% is. In England a point of contention has been the lack of diversity at Oxford and Cambridge and they’ve changed from absolute standards because of so

Yes, because certain groups perform better academically than others. So, because some groups don't focus as much on academics, universities are having to lower their threshold to achieve diversity. And before you say, "academics isn't everything".. foreign universities see academics as really the only measure of how well a student will do in college. Even studies in the US have shown that SAT scores are a good indicator of how well a student will perform in college, and top colleges are starting to go back to test required because of it.

Perhaps other groups should ask why that is and act accordingly?

Performance in university is not the measuring stick that a school uses for it's students. These schools exist to create leaders. When yet another Prime Minister comes out of Oxbridge or a President from the ivies, do you think the schools lament that they're a failure because they didn't do better while in school?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

The UK looks at grades and test scores, that's it. Asian Brits do better in the UK academically than any other groups, just like here.

pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (66.1), followed by pupils from the Indian ethnic group (61.3)

people from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate in every year from 2006 to 2022

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/

As an example:



https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/ethnicity

Chinese make up 1% of the UK population but take up 16% of the seats in Oxford.

They don't need to whine about it because the system there is transparent.

My DC got super high stats on their GPA (from a magnet) and SAT scores (1580). My IL is here from the UK and was gobsmacked that a kid with those stats didn't even get an interview or on the waitlist for a T10. In the UK, they said such a student would at least get an interview at the top schools.

DC is a dual citizen and said that they would consider moving to the UK if they have kids because the college admissions process here is crazy.

Test prep and cram mills are prevalent in Asia. It doesn’t make anyone smarter.

Good thing Oxford interviews applicants. Somehow, those Asian Brits are doing well in those interviews, too. I wonder if they have a "personality" score card, and whether the AOs mark them as low even as they have never met the candidate, while the interviewer marks their personality has "good". Oh, Harvard does that.

The interview isn’t equitable, but it also sent about your personality. You can have the personality of a rock. They are looking to see if you can respond to difficult subject specific questions, which depends on the Profs mood that day

It's a lot more "equitable" than an AO giving an Asian American student a low "personality" score having never met them, even as the interviewer gave them a high personality score.

Do you know about the UK’s education system? Inequity is built into the system and if you don’t go to the proper sixth form, you just won’t even be able to apply, or, if you do, your app goes immediately to the heap bin. It’s not as simple as score goes up, admissions as you imply.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

If you think they’re fighting for anyone besides their personal child, I have got a lovely bridge you should buy.

If you think anyone is fighting for anyone besides their personal child or their personal vanity, I have a lovely bridge you should buy.

I disagree. There are plenty of folks who support URM admissions into universities, who aren’t URMs.

Those people are mostly trying to alleviate white guilt (mostly at the expense of asian kids)

The asians that do this are sellouts that are throwing asian kids under the bus to suck up to liberal white people

You’re arguing the only reason white people support Affirmative Action is white guilt? You are grossly misinformed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

You seem to be saying that immigrants should not have the same protections against racial discrimination as the rest of us?

I don't think you see this sort of complaint in those countries because those countries don't have racial discrimination in college admissions like we do. These countries literally use a single test or series of tests as the sole criteria for admissions.

If the UK started to limit the population of Indians at Oxbridge to prevent it from getting too brown, I suspect they people would object.

Your kids don't get to stand ahead of smarter immigrant kids just because you were born here.

I will say it once more...are there Americans in these foreign countries complaining about the college systems of those countries? Make them white Americans if you want...I don't care.

I bet there are many who think admissions should be based on something other than test scores, like the American system.

But do they complain loudly about the system of the country in which they reside, or figure out how to adapt to that system?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?
Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

There 1000% is. In England a point of contention has been the lack of diversity at Oxford and Cambridge and they’ve changed from absolute standards because of so

Yes, because certain groups perform better academically than others. So, because some groups don't focus as much on academics, universities are having to lower their threshold to achieve diversity. And before you say, "academics isn't everything".. foreign universities see academics as really the only measure of how well a student will do in college. Even studies in the US have shown that SAT scores are a good indicator of how well a student will perform in college, and top colleges are starting to go back to test required because of it.

Perhaps other groups should ask why that is and act accordingly?

Performance in university is not the measuring stick that a school uses for it's students. These schools exist to create leaders. When yet another Prime Minister comes out of Oxbridge or a President from the ivies, do you think the schools lament that they're a failure because they didn't do better while in school?

And those leaders from Oxbridge are often just wealthy and complete dolts. Admission from Eton is a lot less equitable than anything in America- not even Philips Exeter is as bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

The folks who are against universal healthcare say the same thing as you.
The folks who are against any form of gun control say the same thing as you.
The folks who think we should tax corporations at reasonable rates say the same thing as you.

You should not be defending racial discrimination because "this is america" It's actually quite unamerican

Uh no it isn’t. It is actually very American. The myth of the meritocracy is left for everyone who doesn’t have legacy status at these institutions. I can’t think of anything more American than the myth of a meritocracy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?
Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

There 1000% is. In England a point of contention has been the lack of diversity at Oxford and Cambridge and they’ve changed from absolute standards because of so

Yes, because certain groups perform better academically than others. So, because some groups don't focus as much on academics, universities are having to lower their threshold to achieve diversity. And before you say, "academics isn't everything".. foreign universities see academics as really the only measure of how well a student will do in college. Even studies in the US have shown that SAT scores are a good indicator of how well a student will perform in college, and top colleges are starting to go back to test required because of it.

Perhaps other groups should ask why that is and act accordingly?

Performance in university is not the measuring stick that a school uses for it's students. These schools exist to create leaders. When yet another Prime Minister comes out of Oxbridge or a President from the ivies, do you think the schools lament that they're a failure because they didn't do better while in school?

And those leaders from Oxbridge are often just wealthy and complete dolts.

Not quite. The Brits have the same problem we have here - too many "leaders" who are "intellectual but idiot" - usually because they are prisoners of the insane ideology that Oxbridge, like the Ivies, selects for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?
Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

There 1000% is. In England a point of contention has been the lack of diversity at Oxford and Cambridge and they’ve changed from absolute standards because of so

Yes, because certain groups perform better academically than others. So, because some groups don't focus as much on academics, universities are having to lower their threshold to achieve diversity. And before you say, "academics isn't everything".. foreign universities see academics as really the only measure of how well a student will do in college. Even studies in the US have shown that SAT scores are a good indicator of how well a student will perform in college, and top colleges are starting to go back to test required because of it.

Perhaps other groups should ask why that is and act accordingly?

Performance in university is not the measuring stick that a school uses for it's students. These schools exist to create leaders. When yet another Prime Minister comes out of Oxbridge or a President from the ivies, do you think the schools lament that they're a failure because they didn't do better while in school?

And those leaders from Oxbridge are often just wealthy and complete dolts.

Not quite. The Brits have the same problem we have here - too many "leaders" who are "intellectual but idiot" - usually because they are prisoners of the insane ideology that Oxbridge, like the Ivies, selects for.

No one who still has their grey matter locked into their skull casket looks at Boris Johnson and thinks “that’s a public (or private) intellectual.” Going to eton allows you to walk into Oxbridge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

Universities accept the students they want. They want a diverse class (diverse in all ways). Not everyone will get into an Ivy League. Move on. I have never understood the sense of entitlement the families involved in the lawsuit have. It’s absurd.

Objecting to racial discrimination is not a sense of entitlement.

Private bus companies get to decide who sits where on the bus. They want to separate the whites from the blacks. Not everyone will always get a seat, move on. Imagine the sense of entitlement it takes to demand that you get to sit anywhere on the bus. It's absurd.